Clifton NJ cop brake checks driver then writes him tickets. Driver had a dash camera.

[Insomniator]

The handful of cops who believe in justice are the quickest to get disillusioned and leave the force.

The rest are made up of guys willing to deal with all the nonsense so they can have a position of power. Add in one or two assholes with dreams of higher level offices and thats your local police department.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

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[1sikbITCH]

Lol cop says:



Isn't that the worst thing in the world to do if you thought someone was going to run into the back of your car? Wouldn't you speed up if you thought they had lost control and needed more room? Idiot. Glad the guy isn't dropping it. The cop needs an attitude adjustment.

FWIW, it does seem like the guy is a little too close to the cop, but that doesn't mean the cop should brake check.

You are obviously not from America. You slam on your brakes and get PAID while sipping drinks and getting massages in "therapy".

 

[Exophase]

My gut feeling is this cop was one of those idiots who thought brake checking was the right way to respond to tailgating long before he became a cop, and he instinctively did it here. Then what he meant to say was "I wanted to teach you a lesson about driving too close" but it came out even stupider than that.

I've heard people rationalize brake checking by saying that if the car hits them they wouldn't be considered at fault. I don't know if it's true in this state or not (of course it definitely should not be) but that's still an absolutely terrible idea.

That said, I think the rant the video goes into about how police officers should basically be required to have bachelor's degrees is highly questionable. Too many people are going to college as it is. And I don't see how that relates to anything that happened here. What the police needs is to get rid of standards where more intelligent people are actually rejected, and spend more time continually training and retesting their force.

 

[shortylickens]

My gut feeling is this cop was one of those idiots who thought brake checking was the right way to respond to tailgating long before he became a cop, and he instinctively did it here. Then what he meant to say was "I wanted to teach you a lesson about driving too close" but it came out even stupider than that.

I've heard people rationalize brake checking by saying that if the car hits them they wouldn't be considered at fault. I don't know if it's true in this state or not (of course it definitely should not be) but that's still an absolutely terrible idea.

That said, I think the rant the video goes into about how police officers should basically be required to have bachelor's degrees is highly questionable. Too many people are going to college as it is. And I don't see how that relates to anything that happened here. What the police needs is to get rid of standards where more intelligent people are actually rejected, and spend more time continually training and retesting their force.

On the one hand, I believe if slamming the brakes is able to cause an accident then the other person was driving dangerously close and should be cited for that alone.
What if a kid jumped in the street? The driver would obviously have to slam his brakes then. It happens all the time.


On the other hand, regardless of what other drivers are doing around you, YOU are never allowed to deliberately cause an accident. Thats just fucking stupid and dangerous and it needs to be severely punished every time. Of course given that a cop did it this time, nothing is going to happen.

 

[mikeymikec]

I'm not saying this to offset or excuse the officer's actions in this case btw:

I'm just wondering if the guy with the dash cam is trolling for cops to do something stupid.

1 - No front number plate
2 - Tinted windows (they're illegal in the US? I had no idea. How/why do people get their windows tinted then?)
3 - If you subscribe to the belief that black people are disproportionately targeted by the US police, his skin colour

The main thing that I find a bit weird though is if someone brake-checked me in as extreme a fashion as the officer did, I'd say there was a 95% chance I would have verbalised some kind of reaction like, "What the f***?". The driver on the other hand seems as cool as a cucumber.

Btw, I'm not asserting that this was his motive, I just found it a little odd and my reasons are not that compelling an argument. Furthermore, if I was him and that was my motive, I'd have someone else in the car (preferably white), to reduce the possibility of things going out of control (ie. an extra witness), because at the end of the day it won't be much consolation that if I was unjustly killed, there's video evidence of it that's likely to be tidied away out of sight.

 

[jlee]

I'm not saying this to offset or excuse the officer's actions in this case btw:

I'm just wondering if the guy with the dash cam is trolling for cops to do something stupid.

1 - No front number plate
2 - Tinted windows (they're illegal in the US? I had no idea. How/why do people get their windows tinted then?)
3 - If you subscribe to the belief that black people are disproportionately targeted by the US police, his skin colour

The main thing that I find a bit weird though is if someone brake-checked me in as extreme a fashion as the officer did, I'd say there was a 95% chance I would have verbalised some kind of reaction like, "What the f***?". The driver on the other hand seems as cool as a cucumber.

Btw, I'm not asserting that this was his motive, I just found it a little odd and my reasons are not that compelling an argument. Furthermore, if I was him and that was my motive, I'd have someone else in the car (preferably white), to reduce the possibility of things going out of control (ie. an extra witness), because at the end of the day it won't be much consolation that if I was unjustly killed, there's video evidence of it that's likely to be tidied away out of sight.

Tint laws vary by state. Not having a front plate isn't incredibly uncommon - some people don't like using them (no mount, or they just look ugly).

 

[mikeymikec]

Tint laws vary by state. Not having a front plate isn't incredibly uncommon - some people don't like using them (no mount, or they just look ugly).

Playing loud music probably isn't illegal either, but my point was, if you wanted to troll a cop in ways that don't make them consider you to be an actual threat but might play on stereotypes and things that irritate them because they associate that behaviour with the illegal behaviour of others.

I think in the UK you can also get away with having a particular number plate missing, but I bet it's still going to raise the eyebrow of an officer.

 

[shortylickens]

Virginia requires a front plate, and it has to be mounted on the CENTER of your bumper.

I see tons of people with their plate on the dashboard. A handful with no plate. Either the cops never do anything, or the punishment is so minor they just keep paying the fine and going on with their lives.

Front tint is also illegal here.
MANY cars with front tint. And I know they're Virginians even without a front plate because I can see that stupid fucking safety inspection sticker on their windshield.

THAT fucking law gets enforced with Gestapo-like efficiency. None of the others do.

 

[Jimzz]

Just heard back from the city manager when I asked about this incident...

I am referring your complaint to the Police Chief for an investigation by Internal Affairs,
[FONT=Times New Roman,serif][FONT=Calibri,sans-serif]And you will be contacted once the investigation is complete.[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,serif][FONT=Calibri,sans-serif]Sincerely,[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,serif][FONT=Calibri,sans-serif]Nick Villano[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,serif][FONT=Calibri,sans-serif]City Manager[/FONT][/FONT]

 

[vi edit]

Tint laws vary by state. Not having a front plate isn't incredibly uncommon - some people don't like using them (no mount, or they just look ugly).

Kentucky only gives you one plate. No front plates required.

 

[Anubis]

Tint laws vary by state. Not having a front plate isn't incredibly uncommon - some people don't like using them (no mount, or they just look ugly).

not all states require them either

 

[LTC8K6]

No front plates in NC.

They want to add them because it hampers the plate readers in the toll and ticket cameras.

All states will go to two plates for automated revenue collection.

 

[purbeast0]

On the one hand, I believe if slamming the brakes is able to cause an accident then the other person was driving dangerously close and should be cited for that alone.
What if a kid jumped in the street? The driver would obviously have to slam his brakes then. It happens all the time.


On the other hand, regardless of what other drivers are doing around you, YOU are never allowed to deliberately cause an accident. Thats just fucking stupid and dangerous and it needs to be severely punished every time. Of course given that a cop did it this time, nothing is going to happen.

except he wasn't driving too close obviously since he stopped with plenty of room to spare. just from his video alone it did not look like he was driving too close at all for the speeds they were going.

 

[SearchMaster]

FWIW, it does seem like the guy is a little too close to the cop, but that doesn't mean the cop should brake check.

I agree, at the time of the brake check he was too close. Not recklessly close as he obviously stopped in time, but still too close for general safety. At the beginning of the video he was fine.

The cop is an idiot, and I have to wonder if the guy really got pulled over for DWB. If the cop was concerned about the plates and about safety he should have thrown his lights on and gradually pulled over while waving the car to do the same (or however a traffic stop from the front is supposed to be done). Then while giving him a ticket for the plates and tint, he can mention that he was getting a bit too close and needs to pay more attention to his following distance.

 

[rudder]

No front plates in NC.

They want to add them because it hampers the plate readers in the toll and ticket cameras.

All states will go to two plates for automated revenue collection.

Not in Tennessee... we don't have any toll roads.

At any rate.... always give cop cars a wide berth. I rarely see a cop car around here where the officer is not on their cell phone.

 

[Nashemon]

I'm not saying this to offset or excuse the officer's actions in this case btw:

I'm just wondering if the guy with the dash cam is trolling for cops to do something stupid.

1 - No front number plate
2 - Tinted windows (they're illegal in the US? I had no idea. How/why do people get their windows tinted then?)

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1 - As pointed out, varies by state.
2 - Yes, for various safety reasons. Reduces driver's visibility both in the car, and drivers around them to see hazards ahead. Dangerous to officers making a stop. Prohibits safety glass from working properly in an accident. Some states allow them to be tinted a certain percentage. Like 10% tint. People do it darker because they can afford the couple of tickets they might get for it in their lifetime. Polarized glass is a thing that comes on certain vehicles, which isn't illegal, so those with tinted windows blend in with those enough to not draw attention. It's usually a secondary offense. You only get ticketed if you already got pulled over for something else.

 

[LTC8K6]

Not in Tennessee... we don't have any toll roads.

At any rate.... always give cop cars a wide berth. I rarely see a cop car around here where the officer is not on their cell phone.

You will get toll roads, red light cameras, and speed cameras if you don't already have them.

The states need money for all sorts of projects, and to make ends meet, and highway funds are drying up, too.

 

[Svnla]

I'm not saying this to offset or excuse the officer's actions in this case btw:

I'm just wondering if the guy with the dash cam is trolling for cops to do something stupid.

1 - No front number plate
2 - Tinted windows (they're illegal in the US? I had no idea. How/why do people get their windows tinted then?)
3 - If you subscribe to the belief that black people are disproportionately targeted by the US police, his skin colour

<snip>

In the US, different states have different rules/laws.

1. Some states require front plates (such as Texas), some don't (such as Louisiana).
2. Some states let you have darker tint than other states. Most of the time, you can get the rear windows and doors darker than the front driver and passenger. You go to the tint shops to do it. Not expensive.
3. There are many threads about this already.



Speaking of dash cam, I take a look online (Amazon) and holy cow, there are so many choices, staggering.

 

[Markbnj]

Not saying the driver was tailgating the cop, but he was closer than I get to them. You see a bear you give it a wide berth. Just makes sense.

 

[skyking]

Not saying the driver was tailgating the cop, but he was closer than I get to them. You see a bear you give it a wide berth. Just makes sense.

yeah, me too. If front plate is the law, then he already got the cop's attention. Now the cop is focused on him and not really driving.
If he wanted to follow up on that he should pull over, let the car pass, then pull them over. He was probably pissed that he was prevented from running the plate from looking in his mirror and too lazy to do it right.
It looked like he reeled him in with a throttle drop before the brake check and that got him a little too close. All in all it was some really shitty driving by the cop.

 

[Ichinisan]

Georgia has no front plates. Atlanta does have toll lanes that are enforced by video camera.

 

[cliftonite]

Public records identify the officer as Juan Velez, who has been working with the Clifton Police Department since 2005 and makes an annual salary of $119,558.

Not bad plus a fat pension.

 

[TwiceOver]

Public records identify the officer as Juan Velez, who has been working with the Clifton Police Department since 2005 and makes an annual salary of $119,558.

Not bad plus a fat pension.

But know what's better than $120k per year and a fat pension? $120k per year not to work because you were hurt "in the line" AND a fat pension.

 

[BarkingGhostar]

Why not just do what commercial vehicles do and have a decal saying "Stay [the fuck] back 100 yards"? Seems reasonable, cheap to implement, but would go against the grain of the Let's cite first instead of educate because it makes me feel powerful.

 

[runzwithsizorz]

Virginia requires a front plate, and it has to be mounted on the CENTER of your bumper.

I see tons of people with their plate on the dashboard. A handful with no plate. Either the cops never do anything, or the punishment is so minor they just keep paying the fine and going on with their lives.

Front tint is also illegal here.
MANY cars with front tint. And I know they're Virginians even without a front plate because I can see that stupid fucking safety inspection sticker on their windshield.

THAT fucking law gets enforced with Gestapo-like efficiency. None of the others do.

WRONG! My rear windows are almost blacked out, my fronts not as much, but still pretty dark, and they are legal here. Cop cars here have darker tint then I, you can't even see in.
http://www.tintcenter.com/laws/VA/