Climate Scientists Have Discovered Cause of Syrian War - Guess what it is

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Subyman

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Does anybody actually believe my hypothesis? Sure, I bet if I scoured the scientific literature for say tree ring growth in Asia, around the time of plague outbreaks, is such data even exists, I could maybe find one or two places where there could be a connection, but what would cause me to think of doing that first. As we should well be aware, when a scientific hypothesis is made, it isn't invented out of the air. Some scientific question has to arise that causes science to postulate a possible link. What in Gods name would make me wonder if Gerbils in Asia would have anything to do with the Black Plague?

But I am convinced now that gerbils caused the Arab Spring.

You could be more clear with what you saying. It is sarcasm or it isn't. I don't even know anymore lol.
 

bshole

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Again from the abstract. 2-3 times more likely from evidence in the article. This isn't idle speculation or back-of-the-napkin estimates. You can dive into their method if you want to, again the article is there. Its funny how you accuse them of speculation when you are doing just that.

Ok, the scientific theory is 2-3 times more likely. Is that theory falsifiable? How many assumptions does it make? Are those assumptions falsifiable?
 

umbrella39

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Someone once said it's no longer about right vs left... it's about smart vs stupid.
 

Moonbeam

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Ok, the scientific theory is 2-3 times more likely. Is that theory falsifiable? How many assumptions does it make? Are those assumptions falsifiable?

He doesn't understand the difference between out and out speculation and scientific hypothesis. I can speculate that climate changes in Asia caused the Black Death because I want to suggest how stupid the speculation about Syrian violence and climate change, say because I like dropping gerbils down my pants, and I now have a fixation, or I could suggest it, or because I know that gerbil fleas and not rat fleas that are the home source, say, of plague infected fleas. One would be speculation and the other a hypothesis. The difference between science and random associations is that scientists have real data they study from which they draw such speculations. Science is insight, intuition, and inspiration, the forging of new connections in the brain that pan out when tested.
 

bshole

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You haven't looked or you only read sensational headlines. There have been impact studies that show benefits to global warming. Particularly the midwest in the US. Agriculture worldwide will benefit.

Um not really. Disaster for America too.... These twits are always the same..... their predictions are ALWAYS worse than previously thought. So while we aren't having the droughts now because of global warming, they are right around the corner. Oh my fucking god, we are all gonna die!!

Several independent studies in recent years have predicted that the American Southwest and central Great Plains will experience extensive droughts in the second half of this century, and that advancing climate change will exacerbate those droughts. But a new analysis released today says the drying will be even more extreme than previously predicted—


http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/u-s-droughts-will-be-the-worst-in-1-000-years1/
 

Moonbeam

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Um not really. Disaster for America too.... These twits are always the same..... their predictions are ALWAYS worse than previously thought. So while we aren't having the droughts now because of global warming, they are right around the corner. Oh my fucking god, we are all gonna die!!




http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/u-s-droughts-will-be-the-worst-in-1-000-years1/

Exactly, because you feel that you are the reason we are all going to die, that in fact you are killing the world, your ego won't let you face it, even when the scientific evidence for it is obvious to people whose brains aren't defective. You are the one who is actually motivated by irrational fear, and the giant chip on your shoulder.
 

michal1980

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The article clearly states that one of the causes of the Syrian War was global warming. That may be "common sense" in your world, but it's pure insanity in mine.

Like I said, deniers are so nuts about this issue they are no longer able to look at common sense arguments rationally. Look to Subyman's post above for details.

This is the eskimospy world. If the fear mongering supports his POV, its ok. If it doesnt then the whole argument is invalid.
 

Moonbeam

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You could be more clear with what you saying. It is sarcasm or it isn't. I don't even know anymore lol.

My intention is to transmit, if possible, my assumption that we are motivated by assumptions we are unaware that we have. One way I sometimes try to do this is by mirroring the behaviors of people that are unaware of this, as I call it, fact. How we see the world is dependent on our understanding of how it works. Primitive man anthropomorphized the world attributing to it human feelings. Science came late to the game.

I took a real scientific theory, regarding the origin of the plague and made it sound ridiculous, as it does to folk without understanding by suggesting I invented out of thin air, just as those who do not understand how scientific theories originate and thus can't follow the reasoning. I wanted to show their stupidity by mirroring it, as if such a ridiculous idea could only be made up.

This is how the mind that is ignorant works. It can't see what people with deep study in a field can see. They do not have the knowledge base from which to make such connections. The gerbil thingi arose because scientists can't explain why the plague comes in cycles without some natural continuous reservoir of plague bacteria present in European mammals so they went out looking for some natural source. From there connections lead to burst and bust population cycles and what causes them, warm wet weather in the case of Asian Gerbils. The same kind of thinking goes into the Syrian thingi.

Understanding science requires a mind that is scientifically trained. Otherwise all one sees is Black Magic. Scientific thinking is a form of cognitive reasoning, the unconscious driver behind which is curiosity. It is a natural human thurst, that still kills a lot of cat children. Once bitten by unpleasant experiences with knowing, twice shy about the acquisition of new information. Sort of like being math phobic, maybe.
 

Moonbeam

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This is the eskimospy world. If the fear mongering supports his POV, its ok. If it doesnt then the whole argument is invalid.

There are facts. How you react to facts is a product of prior conditioning. He can see facts as facts. You are the one who sees fear in those facts, not him. You are the fear monger because facts frighten you not him. If everybody were like you, humanity would run off a cliff. Thanks to the faculties eskimo and many many others possess, we are so far still alive. Say thank you.
 

BurnItDwn

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Manmade climat change is happening. It is real. All the science behind HOW it happens has been tested and tested and teste dand tested a zillion times over.

Overall averages of temperatures taken are increasing.

Some regions are cooler sometimes, some are warmer sometimes, some are dryer, some are wetter, ocean currents have changed.


People politicize this for 2 reasons.
1.) some people want to justify their funding.
2.) some people want to cover it up so that they can make more profits.

We need to look at a balanced/rational response. Reduce C02 when it is cheap to do so, where consequences are very low.

Reduce using fossil fuels when practical. Why do we still have tons of oil, NG, and coal power plants, lets get that shit Nuclear already! Green Power all the way.

Add some solar and wind capacity in appropriately sunny and windy parts of the world for good measure.

I think Liberals go too far in trying to punish polluters
I think Too many conservatives are putting their own personal political interests above facts and truth and honesty. lets figure this shit out instead of just ripping each other apart. Need brains AND muscle to work together.
 

ivwshane

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Funny you should say that! The Dust Bowl was caused by man. Particularly, clear cutting the vast forests and deep rooted grasses of the central US and poorly implementing agriculture.

I think you need to read the article to see how they correlated the drought to warming, they have their logical process in their report if you really want to understand. Global warming doesn't equal drought everywhere. It depends on the region and how warming affects the weather in each region. You need to be a phd to properly make conclusions in that regard. You could do a literature search and find more information.

Ahaha! He basically just stood up on the top of the world and yelled at the top of his lungs, "I'M A FUCKING MORON!!!!".

Lol! Idiots!
 

Subyman

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My intention is to transmit, if possible, my assumption that we are motivated by assumptions we are unaware that we have. One way I sometimes try to do this is by mirroring the behaviors of people that are unaware of this, as I call it, fact. How we see the world is dependent on our understanding of how it works. Primitive man anthropomorphized the world attributing to it human feelings. Science came late to the game.

I took a real scientific theory, regarding the origin of the plague and made it sound ridiculous, as it does to folk without understanding by suggesting I invented out of thin air, just as those who do not understand how scientific theories originate and thus can't follow the reasoning. I wanted to show their stupidity by mirroring it, as if such a ridiculous idea could only be made up.

This is how the mind that is ignorant works. It can't see what people with deep study in a field can see. They do not have the knowledge base from which to make such connections. The gerbil thingi arose because scientists can't explain why the plague comes in cycles without some natural continuous reservoir of plague bacteria present in European mammals so they went out looking for some natural source. From there connections lead to burst and bust population cycles and what causes them, warm wet weather in the case of Asian Gerbils. The same kind of thinking goes into the Syrian thingi.

Understanding science requires a mind that is scientifically trained. Otherwise all one sees is Black Magic. Scientific thinking is a form of cognitive reasoning, the unconscious driver behind which is curiosity. It is a natural human thurst, that still kills a lot of cat children. Once bitten by unpleasant experiences with knowing, twice shy about the acquisition of new information. Sort of like being math phobic, maybe.

Okay, thanks for being clearer. It is kind of sad some people go through their entire life not knowing how science works and why it is a great thing for society and understanding our world. I'm just surprised that in 2015 people are still angry at "scientists" as a whole group. Its like the killing of Hypatia.
 

realibrad

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My intention is to transmit, if possible, my assumption that we are motivated by assumptions we are unaware that we have. One way I sometimes try to do this is by mirroring the behaviors of people that are unaware of this, as I call it, fact. How we see the world is dependent on our understanding of how it works. Primitive man anthropomorphized the world attributing to it human feelings. Science came late to the game.

I took a real scientific theory, regarding the origin of the plague and made it sound ridiculous, as it does to folk without understanding by suggesting I invented out of thin air, just as those who do not understand how scientific theories originate and thus can't follow the reasoning. I wanted to show their stupidity by mirroring it, as if such a ridiculous idea could only be made up.

This is how the mind that is ignorant works. It can't see what people with deep study in a field can see. They do not have the knowledge base from which to make such connections. The gerbil thingi arose because scientists can't explain why the plague comes in cycles without some natural continuous reservoir of plague bacteria present in European mammals so they went out looking for some natural source. From there connections lead to burst and bust population cycles and what causes them, warm wet weather in the case of Asian Gerbils. The same kind of thinking goes into the Syrian thingi.

Understanding science requires a mind that is scientifically trained. Otherwise all one sees is Black Magic. Scientific thinking is a form of cognitive reasoning, the unconscious driver behind which is curiosity. It is a natural human thurst, that still kills a lot of cat children. Once bitten by unpleasant experiences with knowing, twice shy about the acquisition of new information. Sort of like being math phobic, maybe.

See, this is what is annoying about you. Much of what I see you post is babble. Then, you go and post something like this. Completely coherent and rational. If I could talk to this person, I feel I could have some deep enjoyable discussions.
 

dank69

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So, it was a terrible pun you made. Reali is commonly mistaken for a misspelling of Really. The correct way to say Reali is exampled here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUbRzTNstvU
Lighten up, Francis. I figured it was pronounced like "reality" but after posting "not really" and seeing it next to your name I just had to edit it.

See, this is what is annoying about you. Much of what I see you post is babble. Then, you go and post something like this. Completely coherent and rational. If I could talk to this person, I feel I could have some deep enjoyable discussions.
Most of Moonbeam's posts are completely rational. Typically, and I'm not saying this is the case with you, people that think a post by Moonbeam is babble either don't understand it because it is over their head and don't want to take the time to understand it, or they just don't like the message.

For example, everything he just explained was completely apparent to me from his first post. Now, even though that last post was completely clear to you, there are many people reading it that still think it looks like babble.
 
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