Clint Eastwood is Bombing

[blankslate]

Duh, he was a rated fighter pilot?

That was in the 70s at the most recent and he was in the Air National Guard unlike Senator McCain who actually put his life on the line.

Doubtful that he could qualify for piloting at his age now unlike Chuck Yeager who kept on flying well into his 70's

and it doesn't change the fact it was a photo op

:hmm:

 

[jackstar7]

Just sharing.

 

[IGBT]

what's this I hear "the chair" had a teleprompter.

 

[feralkid]

what's this I hear "the chair" had a teleprompter.

At this point I would have thought all Republicans would realize the value of a TelePrompTer, and never let anyone go on without one EVER again.

 

[PJABBER]

That was in the 70s at the most recent and he was in the Air National Guard unlike Senator McCain who actually put his life on the line.

Doubtful that he could qualify for piloting at his age now unlike Chuck Yeager who kept on flying well into his 70's

and it doesn't change the fact it was a photo op

What exactly is your point?

You are an idiot to think that training for and then flying military jet interceptors is not in itself dangerous. Those who do so are "gutsy," as opposed to, say, a certain desk jockey that holds the office for a few more months.

Bush, like all Presidents, was Commander in Chief of all U.S. Armed Forces.

He chose to fly in by means of military transport, with which he was obviously very familiar with per his own military service. This is NOT the most comfortable ride, but it IS one HELL of a ride! :awe:

The military values national leaders that have military backgrounds and his coming in like that was very well received.

Bush was very much liked by the great majority of those in the military because of how personal his leadership was.

Of course, the national press, being lefties, couldn't wait to paint this as somehow inappropriate.

And you, being a lefty, can't wait to criticize and propagandize no matter what.

 

[OrByte]

Clint Eastwood is not a stupid person. He is also not senile.

I haven't watched the speech

I have a hard time believing he said something that he didn't mean to.

I'm going to have to sit and watch it.

 

[cybrsage]

Clint Eastwood is not a stupid person. He is also not senile.

I haven't watched the speech

I have a hard time believing he said something that he didn't mean to.

I'm going to have to sit and watch it.

I thought it was good. Some of it was funny, too. You have to watch it in the light he means it. For some reason, people here think an old man should be full of life and vigor, be prancing around, or doing things a 20 year old would be doing.

I think the funny parts made the libs angry.

 

[Harvey]

Clint - Funny, you don't look gibberish. :\

You've foresaken every principle for which you've ever stood. I will send a donation to the Alzheimers Foundation in your name.

 

[mshan]

Just heard this on tv:

The invisible chair hashtag on Twitter has more followers than Romney or Ryan!!! :whiste:





Romney Ryan 12: http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/20...in-in-final-night-of-coverage-for-rnc/146937/

Palin McLame 08: http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/20...ographics-for-mccains-acceptance-speech/4948/

10-11PM Coverage

FNC: 9,057,093 viewers (2,575,383 in 25-54)

• Vs. ’08, only down 2% in P2+

ABC: 4,442,908,000 viewers (1,612,407 in 25-54)

• Vs. ’08, down 26%

NBC: 3,847,498 viewers (1,463,902 in 25-54)

• Vs. ’08, down 56%

CBS: 3,729,691 viewers (1,506,553 in 25-54)

• Vs. ’08, down 30%

CNN: 2,327,376 viewers (903,838 in 25-54)

• Vs. ’08, down 52%

MSNBC: 1,876,459 viewers (625,712 in 25-54)

• Vs. ’08, down 25%

This was Brian Williams and Andrea Mitchell's initial response to Clint's WTF was that moment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kKf0ak5hWSQ

(my first impression was why is his hair so disheveled, then I just felt sad at seeing how feeble Clint came across on the screen. Everything else was just an incoherent blur can't even remember gibberish).

Romney can't even run his own convention and he wants to run the USA. Perhaps he should start with Obama's lemonade stand...

 

[rockyct]

The very fact that the Romney campaign released a statement during Romney's speech about Eastwood shows they knew the shitstorm to come. PJ's desperate attempt to spin this shows how big of a mess up it was.

 

[blankslate]

The very fact that the Romney campaign released a statement during Romney's speech about Eastwood shows they knew the shitstorm to come. PJ's desperate attempt to spin this shows how big of a mess up it was.

Yeah and she used the word "interesting" instead of awesome or great

 

[PJABBER]

The very fact that the Romney campaign released a statement during Romney's speech about Eastwood shows they knew the shitstorm to come. PJ's desperate attempt to spin this shows how big of a mess up it was.

Don't know and don't care about anyone else's opinion, I thought it was laugh out loud funny.

Maybe because it reminded me so much of Jimmy Stewart talking to Harvey. :awe:

 

[mshan]

Did Clint just make it a 3 way race?:

e. g. Will blindly loyal Republican voters who can't stand Romney write in the InvisibleChair on their actual ballot in November?:

Immediately, Clint Eastwood became a trending topic on Twitter as commenters poured out their thoughts—and let their imaginations run wild.

From Brent Spiner ‏@BrentSpiner, "After watching Clint Eastwood's speech last night at the RNC, I'm voting for the chair. "

Chris Rock (yes, that Chris Rock) ‏@chrisrockoz posted, "Clint Eastwood on the phone with Obama now: 'It all went according to plan,sir.'"

@BorowitzReport wrote, "A new poll reveals that Romney trails Clint Eastwood's empty chair after convention."


http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/eastwooding-makes-rounds-173242531.html

And how will Nate Silver at 538 factor in the new wildcard into his forecast models!

 

[OrByte]

Ok, watched it

imho...he is putting everyone on. It's an act...he clearly knows what he is saying, and how he is acting with the whole chair skit.

His point....and he made it very clearly and succinctly...and I think we should all pay attention:

We own this country

politicians are employees of OURS

you (WE) are the best in the world (Sounds kinda like his commercial at the Superbowl eh?)

whether Democrat, Republican, Libertarian (Now THIS sounds more like Eastwood to me!)

when somebody does not do the job..you gotta let'em go (Subjective, I'm fine with that!)

I thought it was the best, most honest part of the RNC.

I HOPE the Democrats invite him to speak at the DNC!!!

 

[OrByte]

The very fact that the Romney campaign released a statement during Romney's speech about Eastwood shows they knew the shitstorm to come. PJ's desperate attempt to spin this shows how big of a mess up it was.

Romney's campaign should be pissed. Eastwood hijacked the whole RNC.

Eastwoods more "populist" rhetoric is exactly what the Romney campaign doesn't want/need when they are trying to sell Romney to a public that isn't interested/enthusiastic about Romney.

hehe....that was cool.

 

[PJABBER]

This was Brian Williams and Andrea Mitchell's initial response to Clint's WTF was that moment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kKf0ak5hWSQ

Seriously, at this point in history, and knowing what we know of Democrat flacks like Andrea Mitchell, why should anyone care one bit about what she and her kind think about anything?

We know their serious bias, we know they have been doing their best to keep Obama in office, why would anyone expect them to have even the slightest disposition toward neutrality?

Couple that with their very strange lack of humor and I think we can safely ignore the pod people.

 

[blankslate]

You are an idiot to think that training for and then flying military jet interceptors is not in itself dangerous. Those who do so are "gutsy," as opposed to, say, a certain desk jockey that holds the office for a few more months.

I do not think this at all.

I think Air Force pilots who fly fighter aircraft are analogous to the special forces personnel of the other branches of the military. They go through the most physically demanding training in the Air Force and have to be very adept at figuring out their position relative to others in 3 dimensional space while undergoing physical effects that most people never experience.

And as I've said I doubt President Bush is in the same shape now.

However, it was a stunt no matter how you wish to spin it.

 

[mshan]

Andrea Mitchell is married to Alan Greenspan.

And you want to paint her as a Democratic hack?

 

[PJABBER]

Andrea Mitchell is married to Alan Greenspan.

And you want to paint her as a Democratic hack?

Indeed I do.

 

[Bitek]

Don't know and don't care about anyone else's opinion, I thought it was laugh out loud funny.

Maybe because it reminded me so much of Jimmy Stewart talking to Harvey. :awe:

Yep what a way to connect to the voters of today...

 

[PJABBER]

I do not think this at all.

:hmm: OK, I'll take back my statement based on your other post.

However, it was a stunt no matter how you wish to spin it.

I disagree in that Bush was and remains very close to the military.

Being an ex-aviator, he probably, no, REALLY got a big thrill at the chance to fly in a high performance military aircraft again and then he actually was really, really proud of what the military had done.

Bush would have been there whether the press were there or not. And if you bother to listen to his speech on that flight deck, he was there to honor them, not himself.

 

[cybrsage]

Bush is obviously very proud of those in the military, as seen by him riding dirt bike with the woulded vets, visiting hospital still, etc.

 

[PJABBER]

Yep what a way to connect to the voters of today...

Jimmy Stewart had the same problem, didn't he?

And how did that turn out?

 

[cybrsage]

He went to Washington and saved his town.

 

[blankslate]

Of course, the national press, being lefties, couldn't wait to paint this as somehow inappropriate. And you, being a lefty, can't wait to criticize and propagandize no matter what.

It was inappropriate behavior considering the "major combat operations ended" speech that day and the fact that some years later there was a surge (nice euphemistic term for escalation) to deal with increased violence.

If President Bush's Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld had taken the advice of a combat experienced General deployed more people initially perhaps a surge would not have been needed later.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/15/AR2006111500800.html

In an unusual admission, Abizaid said there should have been more U.S. troops, as well as Iraqi and foreign forces, to stabilize the country immediately after the U.S.-led invasion in March 2003. "General [Eric] Shinseki was right that a greater international force contribution, U.S. force contribution and Iraqi force contribution should have been available immediately after major combat operations," he said.

Bush would have been there whether the press were there or not. And if you bother to listen to his speech on that flight deck, he was there to honor them, not himself.

Choosing a better Secretary of Defense at the outset who could take valid dissenting advice would have been one way to honor the military... General Shinseki Deserved better.

This is why I say that...
Excerpt from an nterview with Lt. Gen (2 star) Paul Van Ripper that addresses the run up to the second Gulf War.

The argument between Gen. [Eric] Shinseki, Secretary [of the Army Thomas] White, and Donald Rumsfeld -- what was the debate about?
Supposedly Mr. Rumsfeld was unhappy the Army was not transforming fast enough, going the way he wanted. I find that unbelievable. If you look at what the chief of staff of the Army, Gen. Shinseki, was trying to do, he had laid out a clear vision that he was trying to move to.



He had started a program with the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, DARPA, to develop a future combat system, replace current tracked and wheeled vehicles -- a very imaginary, far-reaching program. There was a lot of argument about the solutions they were proposing, but you can't say it was not transformational. It was very transformational. ... And he's accused of not being willing to change the Army. The man was willing to change the Army. He gets a bum rap.


I don't know what the difficulty was. My belief is Mr. Rumsfeld came in believing he could pay for high-tech weapons, particularly some of the things in terms of missile defense, space-based systems, by cutting two more divisions out of the Army. So his idea of transformation, I think, was pare the Army down in terms of the force structure, use the money for high tech. Professionally unschooled.

And then Shinseki, with 15 months to go in his term, gets the word that his replacement's been announced. How does that go down inside the uniformed services?


I know of nothing other than the failure to plan adequately for the war in Iraq that upset the retired community nearly as much as Mr. Rumsfeld's treatment of the chief of staff of the Army, Gen. Shinseki.

Just irate. I've been in meetings and breakfasts and lunch where this is a subject of conversation and just a very, very bitter feeling that he would treat someone like that.



And then when the general retires, a service chief retiring, and not to attend that retirement ceremony that would have any other high-ranking officials from his office, is just a slap in the face. Why would you do that?


What you find now is, when the Defense Department leadership is having difficulties because of the problems in Iraq and around the world, is those who would normally step forward for their defense and offer some explanation don't have any explanations.

We think it's pure failure. In some cases, it's culpable negligence.



When the vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff goes in front of Congress and testifies, "We did not develop a plan for what took place after the so-called major combat operations because we feared it might be a reason to cause the war," you slap yourself in the head and you say it was an open secret. We were planning to go to war in Iraq. How would planning for the aftermath cause the war?

If the Administration went with General Shinseki's suggested troop levels a least some of the planning for the aftermath might have been handled.