Clinton’s popular vote lead surpasses two million.

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I would ask you for evidence but you don't even qualify as a carpet bagger when it comes to elections in the US.

Don't you want to see the YouTube video by tHUNDERfARt TOiLeTpaPer with all the facts? Because you just know that he has the link.
 

buckshot24

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Don't you want to see the YouTube video by tHUNDERfARt TOiLeTpaPer with all the facts? Because you just know that he has the link.
I'm still waiting on the pedophile ring to be exposed. The 3 million illegal voters will have to wait.
 

sportage

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This is kind of a DOUBLE WHAMMY against democracy, freedom, and for America.
#1. Republicans blocked and refused to allow a sitting US president (Obama) his constitutional right to have his US Supreme Court justice.
#2. And now... Trump takes the presidency with 2 million votes less that his opponent, but gets to make that US Supreme Court appointment.

Trump was right !!!!!
The system WAS INDEED RIGGED.
Rigged in favor of republicans and against democrats.

No Obama US Supreme Court justice.
And the loser i.e. Trump gets to pick the next US Supreme Court justice.

Hell.... And they wonder why we march and protest.... DUH.
This is totally third world dictatorship at its best.
Who needs commies when we have this system of ours?
Hillary should be president elect. Hillary should be making these decisions. Hillary has earned it and more so has legitimately won it.

And just imagine if this situation were reversed.
Republicans would right now be passing legislation to overturn the outcome of the election. To abolish the electoral college if only for this one time. And to block and deny Hillary from taking office come January 20th.
And they would take this as far as to the US Supreme Court and block Hillary until a court decision even if that took 12 more months.

Republicans pull crap like that....
Democrats do not. But this is one time I wish they would.
 
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buckshot24

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This is kind of a DOUBLE WHAMMY against democracy, freedom, and for America.
#1. Republicans blocked and refused to allow a sitting US president (Obama) his constitutional right to have his US Supreme Court justice.
#2. And now... Trump takes the presidency with 2 million votes less that his opponent, but gets to make that US Supreme Court appointment.

Trump was right !!!!!
The system WAS INDEED RIGGED.
Rigged in favor of republicans and against democrats.

No Obama US Supreme Court justice.
And the loser i.e. Trump gets to pick the next US Supreme Court justice.

Hell.... And they wonder why we march and protest.... DUH.
This is totally third world dictatorship at its best.
Who needs commies when we have this system of ours?
Hillary should be president elect. Hillary should be making these decisions. Hillary has earned it and more so has legitimately won it.

And just imagine if this situation were reversed.
Republicans would right now be passing legislation to overturn the outcome of the election. To abolish the electoral college if only for this one time. And to block and deny Hillary from taking office come January 20th.
And they would take this as far as to the US Supreme Court and block Hillary until a court decision is decided.

Republicans are like this....
Democrats are not.
She hasn't legitimately earned anything. she lost. I do think Republicans would be making many of the same comments, people are hacks.
 
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buckshot24

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God forbid we elect a president based on the will of the people like we do for literally every other elected office instead of an arbitrary metric that makes some votes more valuable than others due to geographic location.
We don't have any nationwide popular vote for any office.
 
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We don't have any nationwide popular vote for any office.
Pretty meaningless when the only nationwide vote is for president. Senators, representatives, governors, assemblymen, etc. are all elected by popular vote. Many states have deep divisions much like the United States, but they don't use electoral colleges to give extra voting power to rural areas, they are using popular votes.
 

Qwertilot

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Incorrect. There are 11 states that already made the move.

http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/status

It looks like that is something that will only actually trigger once enough states sign up? I had no idea it was that (relatively) close to happening though - is it going to be binding on all of the states if it does?

In case anyone is wondering I think it would be an absolutely good idea. Even FPTP for the senate, UK Parliament etc has very real issues, but this one really should be an easier fight to win.
 

Jhhnn

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It looks like that is something that will only actually trigger once enough states sign up? I had no idea it was that (relatively) close to happening though - is it going to be binding on all of the states if it does?

In case anyone is wondering I think it would be an absolutely good idea. Even FPTP for the senate, UK Parliament etc has very real issues, but this one really should be an easier fight to win.

It will only come into play when states having a total of 270 EC votes or more sign up. Other states can do as they please but it won't matter because enrolled states will determine the election.
 
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Pretty meaningless when the only nationwide vote is for president. Senators, representatives, governors, assemblymen, etc. are all elected by popular vote. Many states have deep divisions much like the United States, but they don't use electoral colleges to give extra voting power to rural areas, they are using popular votes.
shhhh, you're bursting his bucky bubble
 

BAMAVOO

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Big whoop. All the Californicated libtards voted for Clinton. Whoopie. This is why the EC makes perfect sense. Your butthurtness continues to be a laughing point for millions. Continue on crayon boy.
 

TallBill

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The election wasn't campaigned for as a popular vote, and voters didn't turn out for a popular vote. It is literally impossible to know what a popular vote turnout would have been and any discussion regarding such event is moot. Popular vote is a logical fallacy, constructed to create a non-existent story. Even if it was an actual thing, it still wouldn't matter.
 

poofyhairguy

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She hasn't legitimately earned anything. she lost. I do think Republicans would be making many of the same comments, people are hacks.

The problem with that concept is that despite appearances this is a partisan issue. The way the demographics work out it is very unlikely that the Republicans could ever win the popular vote and lose the EC. The "rural advantage" is basically a Republican advantage and the "this is what is fair!" abstraction only works if the timing doesn't make ties to partisanship.

If anything the timing of the current complaints destroys the "what is fair" argument and transforms this into a deeply partisan issue. If you have truly believed this is an issue for America you should be very pissed right now at people beating this pot because they are creating a situation where Republicans will never support it. Right now that petition or whatever has Red States on it. You can forget that sort of bipartisanship once Republicans figure out a change never helps them, and screaming about it after a Democrat lost is how you tip them off.

What makes it worst is this isn't the first time this has happened- Democrats saw the writing on the wall with Gore, had a huge mandate with Obama, and did nothing. If in 2008 Obama would have said "I didn't need it to win but the system is broken so let's fix this to prevent another Gore situation" then maybe the claim feels legitimate.

Right now it just sounds like partisan sour grapes no matter the merit of the argument.
 

Jhhnn

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What makes it worst is this isn't the first time this has happened- Democrats saw the writing on the wall with Gore, had a huge mandate with Obama, and did nothing. If in 2008 Obama would have said "I didn't need it to win but the system is broken so let's fix this to prevent another Gore situation" then maybe the claim feels legitimate.
Perhaps, but it seems like a rather poor idea to expend political capital on when there were many more pressing issues at the time. Government can do many things at once, but big things often need a significant amount of public focus.

However, I think I big issue that we're missing is long term legitimacy. When a minority of voters can continue to elect their candidate(s) over the majority, people will lose confidence in the system, and that's just bad for our republic and its institutions.
 
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Mai72

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It's over. We need to get over it and move on. Hillary lost. Trump won and is now our POTUS.

Trump outplayed everyone. If he were a boxer he'd be 18-0. Look at his strategy. Ignore California. Focus attention on the rust belt and Florida. States he knew that he had an actual chance of upsetting Clinton. He was focused on those electoral college votes. Not the popular votes. He also outworked Clinton and he was outspent by a huge margin. One of the first presidents to focus squarely on social media. Obama did the same but not to the extent that Trump did it. A 70 year old guy tweeting at 3am. The guy has more energy than many 20 somethings.
 
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It will only come into play when states having a total of 270 EC votes or more sign up. Other states can do as they please but it won't matter because enrolled states will determine the election.

I guess the idea is to do a proportional thing inside each state then tally that up and have all the 270 EC votes in a block for who won that sub vote? Hadn't occurred to me that

Potentially quite a clever way to break the deadlock & inflict countrywide sanity.
 
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I guess the idea is to do a proportional thing inside each state then tally that up and have all the 270 EC votes in a block for who won that sub vote? Hadn't occurred to me that

Potentially quite a clever way to break the deadlock & inflict countrywide sanity.
Unfortunately, proportional delegates will never be adopted in a widespread manner. The states that avoid doing it will actually have increased power since you'd be able to grab more votes in one go in winner take all states.
 

OverVolt

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The electoral College does affect voting patterns. Why vote Republican when you know the counties representatives will be voting for Hillary. Just like the LA county example.

A lot of the republicans probably left the cities anyway.

The democrats are all living in a bubble together. This is really kind of expected. Republicans in a Democrat city just stay mum. Nobody was going to go vote for Trump in Philly/LA/NYC expecting their vote to matter. People just want their vote to matter.
 
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They already know the score, so they'll never support it regardless of the timing. They know they're a minority so they adopted a win by any means strategy long ago.

Paul Weyrich - Goo-Goo Syndrome (proper audio/video synchronization) - YouTube


I recall posting Paul Weyrich speech excerpt once or twice. And it's true conservatives generally don't want more people voting.

However, President Obama was able to campaign well enough to win the electoral votes twice however flawed the system may or may not be....

Hillary didn't. Sure the electoral system may be a dinosaur and in need of reform but don't try to use that to excuse Hillary's piss fucking poor campaigning.


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