Clinton’s popular vote lead surpasses two million.

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JSt0rm

Lifer
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I was trying to show buckshat that worrying about 2 counties outdoing 19 states is silly as just the ignored GOP vote in CA alone outdid 10 GOP vote winning states. That was what i was trying to get at, that there are a lot of GOP voters in CA and he should want their numbers.

Right on.
 

buckshot24

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Just for shits and giggles i did the math. California republicans who's voice wasnt heard at ALL had more numbers that 10 republican states combined. Ouch. Imagine how many republicans in CA that didnt even bother voting had voted due to popular vote.
Wyoming
South Dakota
North Dakota
Montana
Idaho
Alaska
W. Virginia
Utah
Mississippi

All those states voting GOP population was less the the ignored CA voting GOP....
How is this worse than having 2 counties having more influence than half the states in the Union? It isn't, in any sane scenario. If you want to petition your state to have some sort of proportional EC system you go right ahead.
 

buckshot24

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I was trying to show buckshat that worrying about 2 counties outdoing 19 states is silly as just the ignored GOP vote in CA alone outdid 10 GOP vote winning states. That was what i was trying to get at, that there are a lot of GOP voters in CA and he should want their numbers.
Actually it is 2 counties outweighing 25 states.
 

buckshot24

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Probably cause he knows the GOP would never win again...well you know..unless they get a better message that resonates with more people...but that would be silly to do that...
That has nothing to do with it and the GOP was already supposed to not be able to win.
 

Sunburn74

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Same reason the founders didn't. Do you really think 2 urban counties should override 25 entire states?
You keep spouting that broken, tortured logic about margins.

If margins are close across the board, then its a close race. The 2 counties you cite are <1% of the entire population but vote as a bloc. If they are enough to win the race, then all it means is the race was damn close. It doesn't mean they had disproportionate sway on the whole thing. Furthermore, all speculations as to what the margins of any county would look like in a popular vote are guesswork at best. No one knows. They may be grow or may narrow. No one knows. So stop guessing.

And the founding fathers are not perfect. Thomas Jefferson did things that today he'd get life in prison for easily. As a country we just try not to talk about them.
 
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That has nothing to do with it and the GOP was already supposed to not be able to win.
The GOP was already not supposed to be able to win the popular vote? And you think that has nothing to do with a shitty party platform? If they changed their message maybe they'd fair better in the popular vote department.
 

agent00f

Lifer
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Having seen enough of your posts and knowing you lack honor, honesty and integrity. I really can't say i support your "principles" whatever they may be at this moment after the election. I'm sure they'll corrode into something different if the need or want arises.

Pretty ironic claim given you don't believe it. And particularly ironic coming from someone like you.
 

bozack

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With the EC, they focus all their attentions on states that could go either way.

I doubt that you know any MA Repubs who actually vote who leave the presidential selection blank. Well, other than never trumpers.

So basically because your horse lost you would rather change the system to have the focus be on areas which are heavily democratic to increase your chances instead of giving adequate representation to smaller less populated states...mmm ok.

And with the republicans I know here, most didn't vote as they know like I do it is a waste of our time in this state.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Jan 26, 2000
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It's too bad that in the real world where it counts, Democrats insisted in shoving a candidate through to the rest of us that even Trump could beat.

Lick your wounds and learn your lessons, foremost would be stop doing the wrong things harder with candidate people don't want. Both candidates were more disliked than liked and "the big bad Republicans" is a diversion from Democrat failure.
 

Bitek

Lifer
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Population of Wyoming: 584,000. EC votes: 3
195,000 residents/EC
GSP: $40.2B (0.2% of US GDP)


Population of California: 38,800,000 EC votes: 55
705,000 residents/EC
GSP: $2,448B, (14% of us GDP)


Residents of Wyoming votes count 3.6x what a Californian's count for, meanwhile California's GSP/resident is over 60x what a Wyomingite contributes to the country.

How is this any sane way to run a democracy or an economy?

This is how you get issues like coal mining, destroying clean energy policy and kicking out minorities on the winning ticket.
 
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Population of Wyoming: 584,000. EC votes: 3
195,000 residents/EC
GSP: $40.2B (0.2% of US GDP)


Population of California: 38,800,000 EC votes: 55
705,000 residents/EC
GSP: $2,448B, (14% of us GDP)


Residents of Wyoming votes count 3.6x what a Californian's count for, meanwhile California's GSP/resident is over 60x what a Wyomingite contributes to the country.

How is this any sane way to run a democracy or an economy?

This is how you get issues like coal mining, destroying clean energy policy and kicking out minorities on the winning ticket.
You have to remember that a huge portion of California's population aren't eligible to legally vote. Of course that doesn't mean they didn't vote, it only means they can't vote legally.
 

Jhhnn

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So basically because your horse lost you would rather change the system to have the focus be on areas which are heavily democratic to increase your chances instead of giving adequate representation to smaller less populated states...mmm ok.

And with the republicans I know here, most didn't vote as they know like I do it is a waste of our time in this state.

Less populous states enjoy a huge natural gerrymander in the Senate & to a lesser extent in the HOR. Mere fact.

The reason that Repubs voting in MA is a waste of time is because of the system you defend. It's the same for Dems in MS. If the Prez were elected by popular vote, you'd have at least one reason to vote.
 

Jhhnn

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You have to remember that a huge portion of California's population aren't eligible to legally vote. Of course that doesn't mean they didn't vote, it only means they can't vote legally.

If you believe in voter fraud you might as well believe in bigfoot as well. Both propositions have near equal factual evidence in support.
 

outriding

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If you look at the number of people who voted in CA vs WY there were 45 times more people in CA who voted so that should mean CA should have about 200 EC votes vs WY's 3 EC votes



You have to remember that a huge portion of California's population aren't eligible to legally vote. Of course that doesn't mean they didn't vote, it only means they can't vote legally.
 
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Paratus

Lifer
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You have to remember that a huge portion of California's population aren't eligible to legally vote. Of course that doesn't mean they didn't vote, it only means they can't vote legally.

Well let's see if that huge portion of illegals could actually change Biteks points.

(Evidence hidden just for you Taj)
According to Pew via Newsmax (conservatives like newsmax right?) There's about 2.4 million illegal immigrants in California. Just to be conservative (heh) we'll assume all of them will vote (even the kids!)
So we get:

38,800,000 residents - 2,450,000 illegal immigrants = 36,350,000 legal residents

Now divide by the 55 EC votes and we get: 660,909 citizens per EC vs 195,000 in WY

So only someone clueless would think that illegal immigrants would change the point Bitek was making.
 
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fskimospy

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So basically because your horse lost you would rather change the system to have the focus be on areas which are heavily democratic to increase your chances instead of giving adequate representation to smaller less populated states...mmm ok.

And with the republicans I know here, most didn't vote as they know like I do it is a waste of our time in this state.

So currently you can have a majority in the senate with states that comprise 17% of the US population. That's right, about 1/6th of the country can grind all legislation to a halt if they want to.

You appear to be arguing that on top of this, small states need even MORE special, extra representation. How much more do they need? Let me guess, whatever they have now happens to be the sweet spot despite this being massively larger than at any time in the past.
 
Nov 29, 2006
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So basically because your horse lost you would rather change the system to have the focus be on areas which are heavily democratic to increase your chances instead of giving adequate representation to smaller less populated states...mmm ok.

And with the republicans I know here, most didn't vote as they know like I do it is a waste of our time in this state.
You might want to look at my spreadsheet I posted that debunks your arguement. Small states are way more represented currently than populous states. The amount of representatives hasn't kept up with population growth in years.
 

Jhhnn

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It's too bad that in the real world where it counts, Democrats insisted in shoving a candidate through to the rest of us that even Trump could beat.

Lick your wounds and learn your lessons, foremost would be stop doing the wrong things harder with candidate people don't want. Both candidates were more disliked than liked and "the big bad Republicans" is a diversion from Democrat failure.

Is this some sort of false modesty, or what?

The Trump win is a tribute to the power of propaganda, lies & distortion.

Sometimes the truth doesn't have a chance.
 
Nov 29, 2006
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/GOP,er "wahhh I don't want a system that is fair cause we'll never win..wahhh"

Or they could adopt a party message/platform that people actually want to get the votes needed. But that would be a silly thing to do to win....
 
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If you believe in voter fraud you might as well believe in bigfoot as well. Both propositions have near equal factual evidence in support.
People get convicted of voting fraud every 2 years. Can you show me any conviction of Bigfoot? Ever?
 
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