Clinton campaign, DNC paid for research that led to Russia dossier

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Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
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Here's what I see so far...

1. GOP and Dems paid for this dossier
2. Nothing illegal or unethical about doing so.
3. No parts of the dossier have been shown to be untrue or fake.

So, until the contents of the dossier are released or shown to be made up where is the story?

Russia! RUSSIA!! R-U-S-S-I-A!!!
Also framing this as where Trump's Russia story came from. You don't see the value in that? Maybe that's cause you don't know the story being told by Republicans on this.

In addition, thanks to Drudge:
FLASHBACK: Media Hysterical Over Don Jr Russia Dirt Meeting...
'Treason,' 'Collusion,' 'Jail'...
 

1sikbITCH

Diamond Member
Jan 3, 2001
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I thought this was common knowledge..?

Look... I know that we all like to poke fun at Trump supporters. But opioid addiction is NOT funny, and it's not these folks' fault they can't remember what they read on Facebook 6 months ago (It's Obama's fault). On top of that:

Although the incidence of HIV-related dementia has decreased significantly in the era of contemporary HAART, the prevalence of memory and cognitive symptoms remains steady in persons with HIV/AIDS. ... Depression can often result in subjective memory symptoms but rarely causes objective cognitive impairment.

Come on man, show some decency.
 

Fern

Elite Member
Sep 30, 2003
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Misleading title by the OP? I think so.

Thread title is correct and therefore not misleading.

The article says Steele, who created the dossier, was only involved after the DNC and Clinton began funding the oppo research.

Fern
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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Thread title is correct and therefore not misleading.

The article says Steele, who created the dossier, was only involved after the DNC and Clinton began funding the oppo research.

Fern

Lol, people who purchase oppo research on political parties don't care or specify how the data is collected. The fact remains that a Republican asked for the research and it was them continued after they lost. The title is misleading as every other news source was able to make the distinctions.

Helped fund
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/24/politics/fusion-gps-clinton-campaign/index.html

Helped pay for
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/10/...-dossier.html?referer=https://www.google.com/

Helped fund
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...esearch-became-infamous-trump-dossier-n814011

Funded in part
https://www.vox.com/2017/10/24/16539676/trump-dossier-funded-hillary-clinton

Its an important distinction because weasels like to spread bullshit.
 

Fern

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Sep 30, 2003
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Lol, people who purchase oppo research on political parties don't care or specify how the data is collected. The fact remains that a Republican asked for the research and it was them continued after they lost. The title is misleading as every other news source was able to make the distinctions.

Helped fund
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/24/politics/fusion-gps-clinton-campaign/index.html

Helped pay for
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/10/...-dossier.html?referer=https://www.google.com/

Helped fund
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...esearch-became-infamous-trump-dossier-n814011

Funded in part
https://www.vox.com/2017/10/24/16539676/trump-dossier-funded-hillary-clinton

Its an important distinction because weasels like to spread bullshit.


After the DNC and the Clinton campaign started paying, Fusion GPS hired former British spy Christopher Steele to do the dirt-digging. His work later resulted in the dossier.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5016865/A-YEAR-Clinton-lies-dirty-dossier-exposed.html

Fern
 

Fern

Elite Member
Sep 30, 2003
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The Daily Mail? The UK equivalent of the Enquirer?

Whatever dude.

I've seen that factoid reported all over. If you don't like the source, google it and find one you do like.

Fern
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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Whatever dude.

I've seen that factoid reported all over. If you don't like the source, google it and find one you do like.

Fern

Heh. It's your contention that Steele was hired after the Repubs bowed out & your obligation to attempt to verify it.

Itt's just convenient gossip for the Repubs at this point. We can't really know the truth of it.
 

brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
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Heh. It's your contention that Steele was hired after the Repubs bowed out & your obligation to attempt to verify it.

Itt's just convenient gossip for the Repubs at this point. We can't really know the truth of it.

People are talking about it, so Fern believes it.
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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Whatever dude.

I've seen that factoid reported all over. If you don't like the source, google it and find one you do like.

Fern

I'm struggling to understand why anyone gives a shit about who funded its creation. If the Pope had funded it I wouldn't trust details in it without verification considering how sketchy the sourcing is and if the Democrats funded it from the start it doesn't matter if the stuff in it is true.

So far large parts of it have been verified as true but the most salacious claims haven't been. Only time will tell but this seems like a useless distraction.
 

Fern

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Sep 30, 2003
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I'm struggling to understand why anyone gives a shit about who funded its creation. If the Pope had funded it I wouldn't trust details in it without verification considering how sketchy the sourcing is and if the Democrats funded it from the start it doesn't matter if the stuff in it is true.

So far large parts of it have been verified as true but the most salacious claims haven't been. Only time will tell but this seems like a useless distraction.

We were discussing whether the thread title was correct.

Fern
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
Sep 5, 2000
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I'm struggling to understand why anyone gives a shit about who funded its creation. If the Pope had funded it I wouldn't trust details in it without verification considering how sketchy the sourcing is and if the Democrats funded it from the start it doesn't matter if the stuff in it is true.

So far large parts of it have been verified as true but the most salacious claims haven't been. Only time will tell but this seems like a useless distraction.

So they can say its not true.
 

yllus

Elite Member & Lifer
Aug 20, 2000
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There's an incredibly enormous difference between paying a contractor to collect information on your political opponent, and meeting with agents of a foreign country's intelligence services so you can horse trade intelligence for favours. I believe this difference is what Republicans will seek to minimize in the weeks ahead.
 

werepossum

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Jul 10, 2006
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Meh. Trump's Republican opposition was paying for dirt on him, and when he cinched the nomination his Democrat opposition was paying for dirt on him. That's just politics. The only thing unique this cycle is the hysteria of the left over the Russians.

I mean . . . THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING!
 

Pens1566

Lifer
Oct 11, 2005
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Giant nothingburger. Rumor has it was Jeb! that originated the research. No shock it continued after he bowed out.
 

emperus

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This may have the potential to make this a bigger issue. Not a lot of people know about the Dossier. The media seems not to want to report about whats in it. But I'm sure a lot of people will google it after this or will force the media to actually report it.
 
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Meh. Trump's Republican opposition was paying for dirt on him, and when he cinched the nomination his Democrat opposition was paying for dirt on him. That's just politics. The only thing unique this cycle is the hysteria of the left over the Russians.

I mean . . . THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING!

I have a feeling if there was a President Clinton and Chelsea Clinton had an email exchange just like the one Don Jr had with the Russian chick you'd be pretty damn outraged and that is rightfully so.

More news:
Below is an analytics company the Trumps used

Alexander Nix, the chief executive of Cambridge Analytica, sent an email to several people including top Donald Trump donor Rebekah Mercer, relaying that he had emailed Assange seeking access to emails from Clinton's private server to turn them into a searchable database for the campaign or a pro-Trump political action committee

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/25/polit...n-assange-wikileaks-clinton-emails/index.html
 
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Perknose

Forum Director & Omnipotent Overlord
Forum Director
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TOO SOON!

The election was just last year. It's WAY too soon to talk about this tragedy. It's disgusting that people are trying to politicize this.

You will pry the pee tape from Trump's cold dead (tiny) hands!
 

werepossum

Elite Member
Jul 10, 2006
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I have a feeling if there was a President Clinton and Chelsea Clinton had an email exchange just like the one Don Jr had with the Russian chick you'd be pretty damn outraged and that is rightfully so.

More news:
Below is an analytics company the Trumps used

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/25/polit...n-assange-wikileaks-clinton-emails/index.html
Don't remember that email exchange, but I doubt it. This is just politics. Hell, Obama TWICE had sealed divorce records made public to destroy political opponents, and you don't find much more vitriolic unsupported accusations than by spouses in bitter divorces. Some Democrat had W's expunged DUI arrest made public. Frankly, I generally approve of this behavior as I believe that rich and powerful people are far too able to suppress damaging information. If a politician beats his wife, or gets arrested for DUI, or is fixing a primary, I want to know about it. (Conversely, I don't particularly care if he pees on prostitutes or vice versa - as long as he tips them well.)

Unfortunately well funded opposition research is a lot like torture. You're going to get something juicy - whether it exists or not. But in general, I'm fine with one Pubby primary opponent paying for dirt on Trump, and I'm fine with Team Hillary paying for dirt on Trump. Just remember as always that extraordinary accusations require extraordinary proof.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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Don't remember that email exchange, but I doubt it. This is just politics. Hell, Obama TWICE had sealed divorce records made public to destroy political opponents, and you don't find much more vitriolic unsupported accusations than by spouses in bitter divorces. Some Democrat had W's expunged DUI arrest made public. Frankly, I generally approve of this behavior as I believe that rich and powerful people are far too able to suppress damaging information. If a politician beats his wife, or gets arrested for DUI, or is fixing a primary, I want to know about it. (Conversely, I don't particularly care if he pees on prostitutes or vice versa - as long as he tips them well.)

Unfortunately well funded opposition research is a lot like torture. You're going to get something juicy - whether it exists or not. But in general, I'm fine with one Pubby primary opponent paying for dirt on Trump, and I'm fine with Team Hillary paying for dirt on Trump. Just remember as always that extraordinary accusations require extraordinary proof.

You don't remember the email with trump jr specifically talking about receiving information from a foreign government but you do remember Obama unsealing records about a divorce? Good job bubble boy.
 
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