Clinton campaign, DNC paid for research that led to Russia dossier

[Fanatical Meat]

Don't remember that email exchange, but I doubt it. This is just politics. Hell, Obama TWICE had sealed divorce records made public to destroy political opponents, and you don't find much more vitriolic unsupported accusations than by spouses in bitter divorces. Some Democrat had W's expunged DUI arrest made public. Frankly, I generally approve of this behavior as I believe that rich and powerful people are far too able to suppress damaging information. If a politician beats his wife, or gets arrested for DUI, or is fixing a primary, I want to know about it. (Conversely, I don't particularly care if he pees on prostitutes or vice versa - as long as he tips them well.)

Unfortunately well funded opposition research is a lot like torture. You're going to get something juicy - whether it exists or not. But in general, I'm fine with one Pubby primary opponent paying for dirt on Trump, and I'm fine with Team Hillary paying for dirt on Trump. Just remember as always that extraordinary accusations require extraordinary proof.

It's CNN which I know you don't like but it's a good summary because they are all in chronological order. Pay attention to the first email & Don Jr's reply

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2017/07/politics/donald-trump-jr-full-emails/

**as I said in a previous email when people are ready to come in from the cold I won't make fun of them for falling for Russian propaganda because propaganda is designed to fool people.

 

[werepossum]

You don't remember the email with trump jr specifically talking about receiving information from a foreign government but you do remember Obama unsealing records about a divorce? Good job bubble boy.

Why am I getting the feeling that you have a huge problem with Trump Jr. receiving information from a foreign government (which would be perfectly legal) but absolutely no problem with BIll Clinton receiving illegal campaign donations from a foreign government?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Why am I getting the feeling that you have a huge problem with Trump Jr. receiving information from a foreign government (which would be perfectly legal) but absolutely no problem with BIll Clinton receiving illegal campaign donations from a foreign government?

The information was about stolen material that was suspected to be stolen by the Russians. Let's stay on topic we currently do not have a President Clinton.
BTW I don't believe it's legal for any Campaign to accept foreign aid legally.
Also don't forget about all the meetings with the Russian embassador, hell that fucker was even at the RNC.

 

[ivwshane]

Why am I getting the feeling that you have a huge problem with Trump Jr. receiving information from a foreign government (which would be perfectly legal) but absolutely no problem with BIll Clinton receiving illegal campaign donations from a foreign government?

Only a traitor such as yourself could spew such bullshit.

 

[pauldun170]

Why am I getting the feeling that you have a huge problem with Trump Jr. receiving information from a foreign government (which would be perfectly legal) but absolutely no problem with BIll Clinton receiving illegal campaign donations from a foreign government?

Allow me to help
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Bill+Clinton+term
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=current+date

 

[werepossum]

It's CNN which I know you don't like but it's a good summary because they are all in chronological order. Pay attention to the first email & Don Jr's reply

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2017/07/politics/donald-trump-jr-full-emails/

**as I said in a previous email when people are ready to come in from the cold I won't make fun of them for falling for Russian propaganda because propaganda is designed to fool people.

Thanks for the link but I have zero problem with this. If there actually were incriminating evidence against Hillary (meaning evidence that would incriminate Hillary in a crime) then I absolutely want it to come out. It's like W's DUI arrest - it's not only fair game, I WANT it to be known. If it came from Russia I'd have to see some pretty strong corroborating evidence to believe it, but if it were true, why would anyone want it suppressed? Why would it be good for us to elect a criminal if only a foreign government could provide that evidence?

And before you accuse me of partisanship, remember that this is literally the case for the supposed evidence against Trump as well.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Thanks for the link but I have zero problem with this. If there actually were incriminating evidence against Hillary (meaning evidence that would incriminate Hillary in a crime) then I absolutely want it to come out. It's like W's DUI arrest - it's not only fair game, I WANT it to be known. If it came from Russia I'd have to see some pretty strong corroborating evidence to believe it, but if it were true, why would anyone want it suppressed? Why would it be good for us to elect a criminal if only a foreign government could provide that evidence?

And before you accuse me of partisanship, remember that this is literally the case for the supposed evidence against Trump as well.

I guess the point is if the info came from within the US I could possibly agree. This was info stolen by a hostile foreign power. Do we really want Russia backing Republican candidates and China backing Democratic candidates?
Ask yourself is it good to have a President that a hostile foreign power wanted elected?

 

[werepossum]

I guess the point is if the info came from within the US I could possibly agree. This was info stolen by a hostile foreign power. Do we really want Russia backing Republican candidates and China backing Democratic candidates?
Ask yourself is it good to have a President that a hostile foreign power wanted elected?

Considering that the information does not in fact even exist, why are you assuming that it was stolen? There was no information incriminating Hillary; it was just a Russian lobbyist taking advantage of Team Trump's political naivete to get some face time.

Your last question is an excellent one. I very much prefer that neither China nor Russia have any influence over any American Presidential candidate. But every modern President-elect candidate is going to be the preference of some hostile power. As long as they aren't breaking the law, I don't think we have any recourse - although it's certainly worth remembering which evil nation backs whom when voting. But remember, I'm a Gary Johnson voter, so I don't have to figure out which one is the lesser evil.

As far as not liking CNN, you are correct - I don't. However, CNN's morning Headline News is my only every day source of news. When I have time I'll also visit NPR, the Christian Science Monitor, and even the CFR, but Headline News is the only one I check nearly every day. If they get Trump Derangement Syndrome in their later programming, not my problem. I just want the big stories they occasionally squeeze in between the results of Dancing With The Stars, cooking, and pop culture.

 

[ivwshane]

For the idiots among us.

https://www.fec.gov/updates/foreign-nationals/

 

[Sunburn74]

Clinton campaign paid for dossier with information acquired by a private citizen? Who cares?

 

[Jhhnn]

Why am I getting the feeling that you have a huge problem with Trump Jr. receiving information from a foreign government (which would be perfectly legal) but absolutely no problem with BIll Clinton receiving illegal campaign donations from a foreign government?

It's interesting how you claim "facts" not in evidence. Receiving campaign assistance from a foreign govt isn't legal- see H1-

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/11/110.20

Knowingly receiving stolen goods (hacked emails) isn't legal, either.

How can Bill Clinton receive campaign contributions when he's not in a campaign? There's no evidence that he was given anything but rather paid for speechifying by a variety of organizations.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Meh. Trump's Republican opposition was paying for dirt on him, and when he cinched the nomination his Democrat opposition was paying for dirt on him. That's just politics. The only thing unique this cycle is the hysteria of the left over the Russians.

I mean . . . THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING!

they want us to fall in whatever way possible. i dont think theyre "coming", theyre doing just fine feom where they are

 

[ivwshane]

It's interesting how you claim "facts" not in evidence. Receiving campaign assistance from a foreign govt isn't legal- see H1-

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/11/110.20

Knowingly receiving stolen goods (hacked emails) isn't legal, either.

How can Bill Clinton receive campaign contributions when he's not in a campaign? There's no evidence that he was given anything but rather paid for speechifying by a variety of organizations.

The guy is a liar and is consistently throws in little dishonest digs in a lot of his posts. Its what he does.

For example this is the records Obama unsealed against his opponent.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_.../2004/06/why_unseal_ryans_divorce_papers.html

 

[Jhhnn]

they want us to fall in whatever way possible. i dont think theyre "coming", theyre doing just fine feom where they are

When Russian Psyops guys look at America what they see is a nation of chumps & rubes who hit their heads when they fell off the turnip truck. They'll fall for a slick NYC con man in a minute.

 

[brandonbull]

The guy is a liar and is consistently throws in little dishonest digs in a lot of his posts. Its what he does.

For example this is the records Obama unsealed against his opponent.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_.../2004/06/why_unseal_ryans_divorce_papers.html

http://humanevents.com/2012/08/01/ann-coulter-obamas-signature-move-unsealing-private-records/

 

[Jhhnn]

http://humanevents.com/2012/08/01/ann-coulter-obamas-signature-move-unsealing-private-records/

Ann Coulter loves her chumps, people like you.

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/ann-coulter/

 

[brandonbull]

Ann Coulter loves her chumps, people like you.

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/ann-coulter/

So are you claiming that her statements about the divorce record unsealings are false?

 

[ivwshane]

So are you claiming that her statements about the divorce record unsealings are false?

Of course they are idiot and the link I provided explained why.

 

[brandonbull]

Of course they are idiot and the link I provided explained why.

The link I provided tells a different story than the Slate's.

 

[ivwshane]

The link I provided tells a different story than the Slate's.

Hmm...who to believe.

 

[Jhhnn]

So are you claiming that her statements about the divorce record unsealings are false?

They were unsealed, 'tis true. The rest is bullshit & off topic, as well.

 

[fskimospy]

Why am I getting the feeling that you have a huge problem with Trump Jr. receiving information from a foreign government (which would be perfectly legal) but absolutely no problem with BIll Clinton receiving illegal campaign donations from a foreign government?

Trump Jr. getting that information from a foreign government would absolutely not be legal. The law prohibits donations of anything of value and dirt on your election opponent is most certainly something of value.

So no, what we have here is evidence of Trump’s campaign attempting to illegally gain access to information stolen through criminal activity by a hostile foreign power in an attempt to influence our election. There’s a reason he’s all lawyered up right now, haha.

 

[brandonbull]

Hmm...who to believe.

I'm sure the Slate is to be believed.

 

[Jhhnn]

Hmm...who to believe.

I'm sure the Slate is to be believed.

One of the few people less believable than Coulter is Trump himself.

 

[ivwshane]

I'm sure the Slate is to be believed.

To the non idiots, yes.