There we agree. However, the DNC and Hillary were discredited because of what they had actually done. In the DNC’s case, they admitted it. In Hillary’s case, the Podesta case revealed that she had illegally altered official documents that she had finally turned over, and she was arguably discredited a bit when we learned that one of her closest advisers didn’t really think much of her. But these things were already known.Not incriminate but rather discredit. That's what the release of the DNC & Podesta hacks accomplished.
Google it. I cannot easily link on my phone.Quote the Clinton campaign & the FBI. That should be easy if it's true.
There we agree. However, the DNC and Hillary were discredited because of what they had actually done. In the DNC’s case, they admitted it. In Hillary’s case, the Podesta case revealed that she had illegally altered official documents that she had finally turned over, and she was arguably discredited a bit when we learned that one of her closest advisers didn’t really think much of her. But these things were already known.
Google it. I cannot easily link on my phone.
lol Fine. You go right ahead and Prosecute Team Trump for accepting an illegal campaign donation of secret knowledge on the grounds that they’ve lied about everything else. Be sure and let us know how that works out for you.Nope, we already went over this. Trump Jr. was caught on the record saying he wanted to take contributions from a foreign agent.
It’s pretty convenient that your entire basis for saying they didn’t get anything and got played is the statements of people who have lied about this meeting at literally every opportunity. I’m certain that if Hillary Clinton had denied this meeting existed, then lied about what went on in the meeting and then released a series of ever changing statements about it, finally landing on ‘but don’t worry nothing happened’ you would respond with ‘well that settles that!’
Lol. No one is fooled.
lol Fine. You go right ahead and Prosecute Team Trump for accepting an illegal campaign donation of secret knowledge on the grounds that they’ve lied about everything else. Be sure and let us know how that works out for you.
lol Fine. You go right ahead and Prosecute Team Trump for accepting an illegal campaign donation of secret knowledge on the grounds that they’ve lied about everything else. Be sure and let us know how that works out for you.
We're generally talking Don Jr, Jared and Manafort
So far it appears the King was not in the loop but it sure would be nice to see the email logs of Trump company
Jaskalas just did. It’s been reported by the Washington Post, CNN, and the New York Times, among others. Kind of pointless though - you are literally incapable of admitting anything less than sterling about any of your heroes, as evidenced by your once again requesting links on Hillary having altered emails as shown by the hacked Podesta documents.It's your contention & your obligation to back it up.
You misunderstand me because you see everything through the veil of partisan politics. I believe literally nothing that Team Trump says. That goes for everyone associated with the campaign, and pretty much everyone associated with the administration. What I do firmly believe is that if Team Trump had received anything remotely incriminating or even embarrassing about Hillary, they would have trumpeted it to the high heavens, even something as laughable as the Steele Dossier. Ergo my conclusion that they were amateurs who got played for chumps. I remain amazed though not surprised that you can spin this as a pro-Trump position.I just found it amusing that when Donald Trump Jr. lies about the existence of the meeting and gets caught, then lies about the subject of the meeting and gets caught, then tells you about the contents of the meeting and your response is "I believe you!".
As I said before because you're a straight shooter I'm sure if I go back and look at your posts about Hillary Clinton you are equally charitable with your belief. Surely you would confirm this, right?
Jaskalas just did. It’s been reported by the Washington Post, CNN, and the New York Times, among others. Kind of pointless though - you are literally incapable of admitting anything less than sterling about any of your heroes, as evidenced by your once again requesting links on Hillary having altered emails as shown by the hacked Podesta documents.
You misunderstand me because you see everything through the veil of partisan politics. I believe literally nothing that Team Trump says. That goes for everyone associated with the campaign, and pretty much everyone associated with the administration. What I do firmly believe is that if Team Trump had received anything remotely incriminating or even embarrassing about Hillary, they would have trumpeted it to the high heavens, even something as laughable as the Steele Dossier. Ergo my conclusion that they were amateurs who got played for chumps. I remain amazed though not surprised that you can spin this as a pro-Trump position.
When do expect Michael Cohen to be beatified? Because being in two places at once is considered to be a miracle.Ah, still telling yourself the same old 'people only think I'm dumb because they are partisans' thing.
The Trump campaign and associated people released tons of attacks on the Clintons, any number of which could have been the product of this meeting. It's not like information comes with a 'made in Russia' tag on it, haha. You have no idea as to the source of all sorts of information that came out during the campaign so if you're not basing this off of Trump Jr's statement you're basing it on nothing. That's even dumber, honestly.
Also, the fact that you think the Steele Dossier is 'laughable' is further evidence that you're allowing logical thinking to be overcome by your extreme partisanship. The most salacious parts haven't been verified but plenty of the rest of it has. Only an idiot would assume the rest of it is laughable at this point. A logical person would look at it as a document that we have confirmed has some validity but remains an open question in other parts.
So the breakdown is this so far.
1) Russian officials were sources of key claims in dossier
2) No, the Russian dossier was not initially funded by Republicans
3) The dossier is chock full of discredited information
4) The dossier was used as a basis for wiretaps on American citizens
5) The FBI also paid for the dossier
6) Dossier publisher Fusion GPS works with shady outfits
7) Fusion GPS’ ties to media are problematic
8) Jim Comey personally briefed Trump on the dossier, shortly before CNN reported it
9) Mueller investigation spurred by dossier and illegal leaks from intelligence operatives about Trump
10) The Steele dossier was a Clinton/DNC-funded operation supported by the FBI and influenced heavily by Russian operatives in the Kremlin
Looks like Russia has been playing both sides for a while now. Is 2 verified?
Latest I heard, Fusion’s position is that the Steele Dossier itself is wholly a creation of the DNC work, but the research is a continuation of an unnamed Republican donor’s work. I’d take anything on this with a plate of salt. Jake Tapper originated the claim and removed it upon being challenged, so we may just be seeing the effects of the media quoting itself long after the original claim has been withdrawn. Maybe there was never any Republican sponsor. Maybe there was.So the breakdown is this so far.
1) Russian officials were sources of key claims in dossier
2) No, the Russian dossier was not initially funded by Republicans
3) The dossier is chock full of discredited information
4) The dossier was used as a basis for wiretaps on American citizens
5) The FBI also paid for the dossier
6) Dossier publisher Fusion GPS works with shady outfits
7) Fusion GPS’ ties to media are problematic
8) Jim Comey personally briefed Trump on the dossier, shortly before CNN reported it
9) Mueller investigation spurred by dossier and illegal leaks from intelligence operatives about Trump
10) The Steele dossier was a Clinton/DNC-funded operation supported by the FBI and influenced heavily by Russian operatives in the Kremlin
Looks like Russia has been playing both sides for a while now. Is 2 verified?
I mean
#1 was always known
#2 is not verified that I know of
#3 is wrong as far as I am aware of
#4 appears to be exaggerated
#6 and #7 seem irrelevant as to whether it's true or not
#8 seems irrelevant
#9 is wrong (his investigation was spurred by Trump firing Comey)
#10 is wrong or at least unfounded.
Where did you get this list from? It's totally divorced from reality.
So the breakdown is this so far.
1) Russian officials were sources of key claims in dossier
2) No, the Russian dossier was not initially funded by Republicans
3) The dossier is chock full of discredited information
4) The dossier was used as a basis for wiretaps on American citizens
5) The FBI also paid for the dossier
6) Dossier publisher Fusion GPS works with shady outfits
7) Fusion GPS’ ties to media are problematic
8) Jim Comey personally briefed Trump on the dossier, shortly before CNN reported it
9) Mueller investigation spurred by dossier and illegal leaks from intelligence operatives about Trump
10) The Steele dossier was a Clinton/DNC-funded operation supported by the FBI and influenced heavily by Russian operatives in the Kremlin
Looks like Russia has been playing both sides for a while now. Is 2 verified?
This country prosecutes that kind of thing all the time. Johns can be arrested before having sex with a hooker.Nope. My argument is that the Trump team were political amateurs who got played. Claiming that they tried to commit a crime is entirely your creation.
That is from the link that Jask posted. Reading through it now.
This country prosecutes that kind of thing all the time. Johns can be arrested before having sex with a hooker.
The whole Clinton/Kremlin conspiracy theory rests on the notion that the Russians would work to discredit Trump even as they went to great lengths to promote him thru hacking, state media & a variety of subterfuges in social media. That doesn't make sense.
Don't you know, the Russians have really bad buyers remorse. It's so obvious.The whole Clinton/Kremlin conspiracy theory rests on the notion that the Russians would work to discredit Trump even as they went to great lengths to promote him thru hacking, state media & a variety of subterfuges in social media. That doesn't make sense.