Every time the GOP starts a new investigation of Clinton I picture people trying to grab the dollar in those insurance commercials.
I'm sure this will be the time they finally get that dollar!
Please link the source of that obvious copy/paste.
Don't you know, the Russians have really bad buyers remorse. It's so obvious.
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I find it very troubling that the Right hated Russia right up until they loved him the next day. The irony is that the Right loves Putin because he is a strong leader, but, when you look at what he says and does he is totally anti all the things that the Right is supposed to be about. The fact that Russia has meddled so much should be worrying to everyone.
I think Putin and modern American conservatism have a ton in common. A large part of Putin's message in Russia is that he is the defender of traditional Russian values, something American conservatism heavily emphasizes. If you're talking about economics I would say that rhetorically they might be different but I don't see a ton of difference in actual policy as most American conservatives have not cared about free markets for a long time now.
Yup, it isn't about free markets at all. That isn't what matters in either system. Economically speaking, Russia has a corrupt system where Putin and his wealthy friends literally steal a huge portion of Russia's GDP for themselves. In the US, for the most part, the GOP doesn't literally steal it. They just pass laws to make sure that wealth gets re-distributed to the top, like cutting Medicaid to lower taxes on the rich. It's essentially the same thing, but technically and for the most part, the GOP is raping us all legally. Russia is a flat out oligarchy, while here, the GOP is doing its best to move us toward that state of affairs, and they've been quite successful in doing so ever since the Reagan years.
Yup, it isn't about free markets at all. That isn't what matters in either system. Economically speaking, Russia has a corrupt system where Putin and his wealthy friends literally steal a huge portion of Russia's GDP for themselves. In the US, for the most part, the GOP doesn't literally steal it. They just pass laws to make sure that wealth gets re-distributed to the top, like cutting Medicaid to lower taxes on the rich. It's essentially the same thing, but technically and for the most part, the GOP is raping us all legally. Russia is a flat out oligarchy, while here, the GOP is doing its best to move us toward that state of affairs, and they've been quite successful in doing so ever since the Reagan years.
Seems like the Dems would love this. Unless I'm mistaken, there are an awful lot of rich Dems.
If that's what they wanted then they'd fund the Repubs.
Seems like the Dems would love this. Unless I'm mistaken, there are an awful lot of rich Dems.
They are too busy colluding to keep their workers pay down.
Regarding the love/hate thing re Russia, a different point of view might include memories of the 2009 bungled "reset," and going back farther than that, the ideological kinship some on the left had with the USSR. After the fall of the Soviet empire, many of us questioned why we needed to be enemies, but now they've recovered some of their strength and are back to much of the old Soviet-style mischief. It might be a bit disingenuous to claim that only the right has been fickle on their opinion of Russia, though, I think there's been a great deal of ambivalence on the part of most Americans at least since the early 90's.I find it very troubling that the Right hated Russia right up until they loved him the next day. The irony is that the Right loves Putin because he is a strong leader, but, when you look at what he says and does he is totally anti all the things that the Right is supposed to be about. The fact that Russia has meddled so much should be worrying to everyone.
I think Putin and modern American conservatism have a ton in common. A large part of Putin's message in Russia is that he is the defender of traditional Russian values, something American conservatism heavily emphasizes. If you're talking about economics I would say that rhetorically they might be different but I don't see a ton of difference in actual policy as most American conservatives have not cared about free markets for a long time now.
Regarding the love/hate thing re Russia, a different point of view might include memories of the 2009 bungled "reset," and going back farther than that, the ideological kinship some on the left had with the USSR. After the fall of the Soviet empire, many of us questioned why we needed to be enemies, but now they've recovered some of their strength and are back to much of the old Soviet-style mischief. It might be a bit disingenuous to claim that only the right has been fickle on their opinion of Russia, though, I think there's been a great deal of ambivalence on the part of most Americans at least since the early 90's.
Agreed. There was a time when the Right was about limited government and protecting rights. Now it about protecting what they thing is right and forcing laws to agree. If people with guns think they need protection from the US, wait until you get someone like Putin in office.
About the only thing I agree with in terms of the Right is free markets, and as you have said, that is not really owned by them anymore. Sadly, its not owned by the left either. Trump wants to fight other countries with the same tactics which is anti-free markets. Bleh.
Regarding the love/hate thing re Russia, a different point of view might include memories of the 2009 bungled "reset," and going back farther than that, the ideological kinship some on the left had with the USSR. After the fall of the Soviet empire, many of us questioned why we needed to be enemies, but now they've recovered some of their strength and are back to much of the old Soviet-style mischief. It might be a bit disingenuous to claim that only the right has been fickle on their opinion of Russia, though, I think there's been a great deal of ambivalence on the part of most Americans at least since the early 90's.
Yes, at least the left is honest about not really preferring free markets. It seems to me we have a bizarre situation now where the far left and far right are now against free markets and we have a centrist group of moderate democrats and republicans who are.
The DNC and Perkins Coie have both confirmed this. The FBI has also acknowledged making payments for expenses, although their plan to pay for continuing research was abandoned after Buzzfeed published the Steele Dossier. What hasn’t been confirmed is that any Republican donor ever funded it.
Maybe so. The whole political expediency aspect thing is distasteful. I do think many right authoritarians are enamored with Putin's tough-guy image. I have to wonder if Putin was embracing a more socialist agenda, if he would find admirers on the left authoritarian side instead.As of right now its the Right being friendly and not the Left. Obama was not super friendly with them either. I think it partly started as Obama and Putin started being at odds, the Right started to like Putin.
Maybe so. The whole political expediency aspect thing is distasteful. I do think many right authoritarians are enamored with Putin's tough-guy image. I have to wonder if Putin was embracing a more socialist agenda, if he would find admirers on the left authoritarian side instead.
Generally speaking, and more towards the long view, I think most would agree that a less antagonistic relationship with Russia improves security for the US. This whole election meddling business is a setback to that goal. Reviewing the history of HRC's overtly hostile relationship with Putin, in retrospect it seems inevitable that he would try to get covertly involved somehow.
I wanted my point to be generally speaking, and I'm afraid getting into too many specifics will end up consuming way more time than I want to invest in the subject. Don't be surprised if I don't go down that rabbit hole. But as a somewhat disinterested observer, I can't help but marvel at the US wanting to sanction Russia for election meddling, when the number of elections the US has meddled in is likely so high as to make a good accounting impossible. Surely we can see some irony in this? If anything, we ought to instead be far more introspective about the means used to achieve such meddling, and improve our own ability to recognize and counter it. In my opinion, Russia's actions were not hostile to the US as such, but were rather aimed at what they perceived to be in their own best interests, just as the US's myriad interferences in other countries' leadership selection processes have been, or at least were intended to be.What do you see as antagonistic? If anything, I have seen a lack of response to many things Russia has done.
I wanted my point to be generally speaking, and I'm afraid getting into too many specifics will end up consuming way more time than I want to invest in the subject. Don't be surprised if I don't go down that rabbit hole. But as a somewhat disinterested observer, I can't help but marvel at the US wanting to sanction Russia for election meddling, when the number of elections the US has meddled in is likely so high as to make a good accounting impossible. Surely we can see some irony in this? If anything, we ought to instead be far more introspective about the means used to achieve such meddling, and improve our own ability to recognize and counter it. In my opinion, Russia's actions were not hostile to the US as such, but were rather aimed at what they perceived to be in their own best interests, just as the US's myriad interferences in other countries' leadership selection processes have been, or at least were intended to be.
I wanted my point to be generally speaking, and I'm afraid getting into too many specifics will end up consuming way more time than I want to invest in the subject. Don't be surprised if I don't go down that rabbit hole. But as a somewhat disinterested observer, I can't help but marvel at the US wanting to sanction Russia for election meddling, when the number of elections the US has meddled in is likely so high as to make a good accounting impossible. Surely we can see some irony in this? If anything, we ought to instead be far more introspective about the means used to achieve such meddling, and improve our own ability to recognize and counter it. In my opinion, Russia's actions were not hostile to the US as such, but were rather aimed at what they perceived to be in their own best interests, just as the US's myriad interferences in other countries' leadership selection processes have been, or at least were intended to be.