Yep.
Plus it would mean the foreign person in the US had no 1st amendment rights to free speech; that campaign finance laws passed by Congress supersede the Constitution.
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Nope. Under Citizens United, China is now free to spend as much money as they wish to make their free speech accessible to more people, but those donations remain illegal.
Something else I find confusing. Hillary and the DNC undeniably paid for the Steele Dossier, an amusing fantasy concocted by a supposed British spy. On what grounds is it ethical to pay for political dirt but unethical to receive it for free? Seems to me this whole construct only works if one wholeheartedly buys the notion of Russia secretly controlling the world while simultaneously ignoring the actions of Hillary and the DNC.
Really? The same reason why it’s legal for a campaign to purchase hotel accommodations for the night but illegal for someone to circumvent campaign contribution limits by just giving them unlimited accommodations for their whole campaign for free forever.
The Clintons wanted oppo research and paid fair market value for it. The Trumps tried to get it for free from someone likely representing a hostile foreign power.
Really? The same reason why it’s legal for a campaign to purchase hotel accommodations for the night but illegal for someone to circumvent campaign contribution limits by just giving them unlimited accommodations for their whole campaign for free forever.
The Clintons wanted oppo research and paid fair market value for it. The Trumps tried to get it for free from someone likely representing a hostile foreign power.
Or was that only when they're saying things conservatives don't like?
Agreed. Although they seldom get so badly taken as did the DNC and Hillary.LOL. Every single political candidate, and both political parties, pay for oppo research. Every. Single. One.
The DNC and Perkins Coie have both confirmed this. The FBI has also acknowledged making payments for expenses, although their plan to pay for continuing research was abandoned after Buzzfeed published the Steele Dossier. What hasn’t been confirmed is that any Republican donor ever funded it.Another angle to all this is that these stories about the Clinton campaign and DNC contributions are all coming from...wait for it...anonymously sourced news stories. Gasp. New one today:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/26/polit...ie-wasserman-schultz-trump-dossier/index.html
All according to what "three sources familiar with the matter told CNN." Yet for some reason, conservative websites are going bonkers over this, no one even thinking to question whether the anonymous sourcing undermines the credibility of the reports.
I thought all news stories based on anonymous sources were bullshit? Or was that only when they're saying things conservatives don't like?
For myself, I have no problems with anonymously sourced news. I'd rather see identified sources, but I make no blanket assumption that something from an anonymous source is untrue, regardless of whether I like what it says or not.
lol You once again found a way to claim Republicans did something wrong while Democrats were completely ethical?Really? The same reason why it’s legal for a campaign to purchase hotel accommodations for the night but illegal for someone to circumvent campaign contribution limits by just giving them unlimited accommodations for their whole campaign for free forever.
The Clintons wanted oppo research and paid fair market value for it. The Trumps tried to get it for free from someone likely representing a hostile foreign power.
Team Trump was offered information that would incriminate Hillary. Which specific crime do we know Hillary committed due to the DNC hack?There are other considerations as well. It's like stolen goods. If I take possession of them knowing they're stolen I'm committing a crime. If a foreign govt offers me hacked information I know it's stolen, too. What information could the Russians offer to the Trump campaign that wasn't obtained by theft?
Team Trump was offered information that would incriminate Hillary. Which specific crime do we know Hillary committed due to the DNC hack?
Dude, there WAS no information. There was just a Russian lobbyist taking advantage of the political amateur status of Team Trump to get some face time to build a relationship and talk about what they really wanted to talk about. You are buying into the narrative that the Russian government hacked the DNC and therefore must have been offering that information.Got it so next election cycle if Team Whoever gets incriminating info offered from China/NK that was stolen it's perfectly acceptable for them to take that info.
This is a dangerous thought you have Possumn
First it's from a foreign power god knows how it's been manipulated
Second does owing a foreign power a favor a bad thing
No answer required. I'm just asking you reflect on it.
lol You once again found a way to claim Republicans did something wrong while Democrats were completely ethical?
I’m going to need a minute to put on my shocked face.
Dude, there WAS no information. There was just a Russian lobbyist taking advantage of the political amateur status of Team Trump to get some face time to build a relationship and talk about what they really wanted to talk about. You are buying into the narrative that the Russian government hacked the DNC and therefore must have been offering that information.
As far as being manipulated by the Russian government, we have that on both sides. Unless you somehow believe that a firm working for the Russians accessed unnamed high Russian officials totally without knowledge or involvement of the Russian government at a time when the USA was a massive thorn in the Russians’ side to a degree not seen since the height of the Cold War.
Dude, there WAS no information. There was just a Russian lobbyist taking advantage of the political amateur status of Team Trump to get some face time to build a relationship and talk about what they really wanted to talk about. You are buying into the narrative that the Russian government hacked the DNC and therefore must have been offering that information.
As far as being manipulated by the Russian government, we have that on both sides. Unless you somehow believe that a firm working for the Russians accessed unnamed high Russian officials totally without knowledge or involvement of the Russian government at a time when the USA was a massive thorn in the Russians’ side to a degree not seen since the height of the Cold War.
They accepted the meeting request on the assumption they would gain info. That is the point.
Who knows what the purpose was it could have been a trial from Russia that went further faster than they expected. This is what needs reflection. Do we want foreign intel services meeting with Canidates and feeding them pre-screened info.
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Republicans control everything right now, I'm tired of the Hillary BS that perpetually gets floated, its game time for you guys. I've heard about all these horrible crimes Hillary has committed it's time to charge her, bring her to trial and end the matter(s) wether it's "lock her up" or the trial fails and she did no wrong.
Nope. My argument is that the Trump team were political amateurs who got played. Claiming that they tried to commit a crime is entirely your creation.It is funny that his argument is now ‘the Trump administration was trying to commit a crime but failed’.
The Pubbies know that Hillary did nothing prosecutable, just as the Dems know with Trump. This is merely political football, designed to foam up the stupid and prevent the other side from winning and remaining on message.They accepted the meeting request on the assumption they would gain info. That is the point.
Who knows what the purpose was it could have been a trial from Russia that went further faster than they expected. This is what needs reflection. Do we want foreign intel services meeting with Canidates and feeding them pre-screened info.
Related note
Republicans control everything right now, I'm tired of the Hillary BS that perpetually gets floated, its game time for you guys. I've heard about all these horrible crimes Hillary has committed it's time to charge her, bring her to trial and end the matter(s) wether it's "lock her up" or the trial fails and she did no wrong.
Nope. My argument is that the Trump team were political amateurs who got played. Claiming that they tried to commit a crime is entirely your creation.
lol You once again found a way to claim Republicans did something wrong while Democrats were completely ethical?
I’m going to need a minute to put on my shocked face.
Nope. My argument is that the Trump team were political amateurs who got played. Claiming that they tried to commit a crime is entirely your creation.
Team Trump was offered information that would incriminate Hillary. Which specific crime do we know Hillary committed due to the DNC hack?
The DNC and Perkins Coie have both confirmed this. The FBI has also acknowledged making payments for expenses, although their plan to pay for continuing research was abandoned after Buzzfeed published the Steele Dossier. What hasn’t been confirmed is that any Republican donor ever funded it.