Clinton Global Initiative closing

[Bowfinger]

Charity Watch & Charity Navigator disagree with you, but what would they know, right?

You're wasting your breath. You can't challenge wing-nut propaganda points with fact and reason. The nutters have faith -- they believe!!! -- and that's all that matters. They're happy to deny life-saving health services to people around the world if it means they get to jab the Clintons.

At least Werepossum can admit that Trump's foundation was a giant scam. That puts him head and shoulders above the typical Trump rube.

 

[Jhhnn]

You're wasting your breath. You can't challenge wing-nut propaganda points with fact and reason. The nutters have faith -- they believe!!! -- and that's all that matters. They're happy to deny life-saving health services to people around the world if it means they get to jab the Clintons.

At least Werepossum can admit that Trump's foundation was a giant scam. That puts him head and shoulders above the typical Trump rube.

Werepossum is an insincere propagandist. He knows his talking points are false & that a lie asserted often enough becomes the truth in the minds of the gullible. Which is what he does, blending in a little bit of truth as bait on the hook.

He's no more a True Believer than Pence, Trump, or Kellyanne Conway. They're all deceivers.

 

[COPOHawk]

I would be careful throwing out that particular assertion there Jhhnn...politicians are politicans on both sides.

Make sure to browse all 4 pages....http://www.politifact.com/personalities/barack-obama/statements/byruling/false/

 

[momeNt]

So what? The Clinton's lost, they are no longer a concern of anybody's until Chelsea starts looking towards public office which may or may not be that soon.

 

[UNCjigga]

So what? The Clinton's lost, they are no longer a concern of anybody's until Chelsea starts looking towards public office which may or may not be that soon.

Someone needs to start writing hit pieces on Chelsea stat. Should be plenty of "fair game" material seeing as how she's friends with Ivanka and Jared. Let's get DeSouza on this...

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Someone needs to start writing hit pieces on Chelsea stat. Should be plenty of "fair game" material seeing as how she's friends with Ivanka and Jared. Let's get DeSouza on this...

Maybe she was the one who called in the Benghazi attack. Hillary left her blackberry unlocked and Chelsea read the embassy was not guarded well so Chelsea decided to sell that information to ISIS and use the profits for an extravagant wedding.

 

[Jhhnn]

Maybe she was the one who called in the Benghazi attack. Hillary left her blackberry unlocked and Chelsea read the embassy was not guarded well so Chelsea decided to sell that information to ISIS and use the profits for an extravagant wedding.

Right fringe-whacks believe in worse. Don't kid yourself.

 

[Jhhnn]

I would be careful throwing out that particular assertion there Jhhnn...politicians are politicans on both sides.

Make sure to browse all 4 pages....http://www.politifact.com/personalities/barack-obama/statements/byruling/false/

Please. Werepossum returns time & again to assert talking points debunked in previous threads in which he was a participant. The whole smear against the Clinton Foundation is a prime example. He'll spout the same thing next week, next month, next year as if none of that ever happened.

 

[werepossum]

But if you think Trump's and Clinton's are both bad what party are you for? Are you judging the foundations on what they were and not the party affiliations of the named owners? But, like why?

lol +1 Libertarian?
Both are primarily for the benefit of the founders, not their respective parties. They are fundamentally different in scope: Trump's foundation is tiny compared to the Clinton's, set up to basically do two things: Allow people to buy influence by contributing money that Trump can launder into Trump companies (which by the way is strictly illegal), and allow Trump to make settlements which he then pays with pre-tax dollars via foundation donations. The Clinton Foundation is set up to allow the Clintons to be the kingmakers. Now that they are out of political power we see big contributors dropping away and programs such as the Clinton Global Initiative dropping away.

Charity Watch & Charity Navigator disagree with you, but what would they know, right?

True. Charity Watch always has - not surprising given that Charity Watch also uses "special sauce" to evaluate charities. Charity Navigator had to be strong-armed into accepting that seminars and conferences can be program expenditures, not expenses.

I actually once posted a link to an article (from philanthropy.com IIRC) explaining this atypical model and why it causes problems for organizations using GAAP to evaluate charities. If I cared, I'd search for it again.

Please. Werepossum returns time & again to assert talking points debunked in previous threads in which he was a participant. The whole smear against the Clinton Foundation is a prime example. He'll spout the same thing next week, next month, next year as if none of that ever happened.

lol If I thought you were more than a piece of buggy code designed to spout far left platitudes in response to parsed terms, I'd be amused to think that you actually believe you've ever debunked anything.

 

[IGBT]

the Russians want their money back..

Report: Russian Government Initiative Gave Millions of Dollars to Clinton Foundation

A Moscow-based technology initiative funded in part by the Russian government funneled tens of millions of dollars into the Clinton Foundation while Hillary Clinton was serving as secretary of state, according to a new report released Monday.

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/russian-government-initiative-gave-millions-to-clinton-foundation/

 

[Jhhnn]

the Russians want their money back..

Report: Russian Government Initiative Gave Millions of Dollars to Clinton Foundation

A Moscow-based technology initiative funded in part by the Russian government funneled tens of millions of dollars into the Clinton Foundation while Hillary Clinton was serving as secretary of state, according to a new report released Monday.

http://freebeacon.com/national-secu...itiative-gave-millions-to-clinton-foundation/

Here's the report-

http://www.g-a-i.org/u/2016/08/Report-Skolkvovo-08012016.pdf

Issued by a think tank founded by Peter Schweizer & Stephen Bannon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_Accountability_Institute

Post-truth, baby!

 

[pcgeek11]

So Hillary is in bed with the Russians!

Hmmmm.

/S

 

[Jhhnn]

lol If I thought you were more than a piece of buggy code designed to spout far left platitudes in response to parsed terms, I'd be amused to think that you actually believe you've ever debunked anything.

That's where you go every time when your bullshit is exposed for what it is. Try something different, like addressing the Clinton Foundation ratings from top Charity watch dogs.

 

[IGBT]

and that's not the end of it..

How much has Saudi Arabia donated to the Clinton Foundation?
Saudi Arabia has been a particularly generous benefactor. The kingdom gave between $10 million and $25 million to the Clinton Foundation. (Donations are typically reported in broad ranges, not specific amounts.) At least $1 million more was donated by Friends of Saudi Arabia, which was co-founded by a Saudi prince.
Foundation Ties Bedevil Hillary Clinton's Presidenti
www.nytimes.com/2016/08/21/us/.../hillary-clinton-presidential-campaign-charity.html

 

[Jhhnn]

and that's not the end of it..

How much has Saudi Arabia donated to the Clinton Foundation?
Saudi Arabia has been a particularly generous benefactor. The kingdom gave between $10 million and $25 million to the Clinton Foundation. (Donations are typically reported in broad ranges, not specific amounts.) At least $1 million more was donated by Friends of Saudi Arabia, which was co-founded by a Saudi prince.
Foundation Ties Bedevil Hillary Clinton's Presidenti
www.nytimes.com/2016/08/21/us/.../hillary-clinton-presidential-campaign-charity.html

So what? The Clinton Foundation is a top rated international charity that works on behalf of some of the world's most unfortunate people. Why the Hell would they turn down Saudi support?

 

[MongGrel]

Maybe she was the one who called in the Benghazi attack. Hillary left her blackberry unlocked and Chelsea read the embassy was not guarded well so Chelsea decided to sell that information to ISIS and use the profits for an extravagant wedding.

The complex the Ambassador was living in was not technically a US Embassy at the time, it would have had a Marine presence there, and he had refused to bug out of it over suggestions he should leave to begin with.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_Security_Guard

Benghazi was always BS.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

The complex the Ambassador was living in was not technically a US Embassy at the time, it would have had a Marine presence there, and he had refused to bug out of it over suggestions he should leave to begin with.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_Security_Guard

Benghazi was always BS.

Agreed and it pisses me off nobody knows this plus Democratic leadership was bad at saying the above.
Plus mostly Republicans in Congress voted against monies to harden the Embassies.

 

[werepossum]

The complex the Ambassador was living in was not technically a US Embassy at the time, it would have had a Marine presence there, and he had refused to bug out of it over suggestions he should leave to begin with.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_Security_Guard

Benghazi was always BS.

The main problem I have with Dems on Benghazi is their trying to shift blame to the dead man, both in claiming that the Ambassador refused to leave (he was ordered by Clinton to go) and in claiming that he was offered and turned down in private what he had so adamantly requested multiple times in writing. Not buying it, and it is not cool.

Agreed and it pisses me off nobody knows this plus Democratic leadership was bad at saying the above.
Plus mostly Republicans in Congress voted against monies to harden the Embassies.

lol It wasn't an embassy, and it's the Republicans' fault it was unsafe because they refused to vote for ever more money to harden embassies. Might want to have your therapist explain why those two things are at odds.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

The main problem I have with Dems on Benghazi is their trying to shift blame to the dead man, both in claiming that the Ambassador refused to leave (he was ordered by Clinton to go) and in claiming that he was offered and turned down in private what he had so adamantly requested multiple times in writing. Not buying it, and it is not cool.


lol It wasn't an embassy, and it's the Republicans' fault it was unsafe because they refused to vote for ever more money to harden embassies. Might want to have your therapist explain why those two things are at odds.

Not this specific incident, I worded it poorly. They did immediately approve it post Benghazi and nobody batted an eye. For the record I believe a few Dems shot it down too.
You can't deny most of the Republican reps went after Hillary hard why she had them at such a poor location but nobody had the balls to say most of the fault lies on the dead guys shoulders. I will accept that Hillary was effectively this guys manager and she should have demanded they be moved but that's pretty different than Hillary demanded they stay in an unsafe location.

 

[werepossum]

Not this specific incident, I worded it poorly. They did immediately approve it post Benghazi and nobody batted an eye. For the record I believe a few Dems shot it down too.
You can't deny most of the Republican reps went after Hillary hard why she had them at such a poor location but nobody had the balls to say most of the fault lies on the dead guys shoulders. I will accept that Hillary was effectively this guys manager and she should have demanded they be moved but that's pretty different than Hillary demanded they stay in an unsafe location.

Dude, he was specifically sent there on Hillary's orders. He repeatedly requested an American security force in writing and was repeatedly denied in writing. Trying to blame Stevens for his own murder is despicable.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Dude, he was specifically sent there on Hillary's orders. He repeatedly requested an American security force in writing and was repeatedly denied in writing. Trying to blame Stevens for his own murder is despicable.

He wanted the embassy in the Hood, he felt it was a more approachable image. He wanted to use local security he felt it helped develop better contacts.
I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure those are facts.
This is exactly why from day one I wanted a good non partisan or at least balanced investigation that was published. Just use facts no opinions.

 

[Jhhnn]

Dude, he was specifically sent there on Hillary's orders. He repeatedly requested an American security force in writing and was repeatedly denied in writing. Trying to blame Stevens for his own murder is despicable.

False. Stevens traveled to Benghazi on his own initiative. In country travel is at the sole discretion of the Ambassador. The facility was a temporary consulate, not an embassy, which is in Tripoli.

http://www.newsweek.com/knowing-its-dangers-chris-stephens-still-chose-travel-benghazi-384750

The truth is that diplomatic personnel willingly enter a lot of sketchy situations to serve our country & always have. It's a matter of courage & dedication, not a matter of figuring out who to blame when things go wrong.

None of it has anything to do wit the topic at hand & is just standard duh-version on your part.

 

[OrByte]

So Jared Kushner and Stephen Bannon are behind hit pieces and smear news against the Clintons, and this is after Trump won the election.

Doesn't that alarm you guys?

 

[momeNt]

So Jared Kushner and Stephen Bannon are behind hit pieces and smear news against the Clintons, and this is after Trump won the election.

Doesn't that alarm you guys?

These could be the guys that are assigned to "look into her situation". Possibly the start of Trump's gestapo.

 

[ivwshane]

You're wasting your breath. You can't challenge wing-nut propaganda points with fact and reason. The nutters have faith -- they believe!!! -- and that's all that matters. They're happy to deny life-saving health services to people around the world if it means they get to jab the Clintons.

At least Werepossum can admit that Trump's foundation was a giant scam. That puts him head and shoulders above the typical Trump rube.

Not really. He's just another dishonest tool who uses the "both sides are the same" bs. He's still a rube, he just doesn't like his current team leader.