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shifrbv

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Fettsbabe - I don't like to see people wasting our money (thats yours, mine, democrats, repubs). We work hard for it, and to have some goon taking advantage of us really irritates me.

You better stop voting Republican (or Democrat, for that matter) then.

According to the Cato Institute:

The 106th Congress is well on its way to becoming the largest-spending Congress on domestic social programs since the late 1970s when Jimmy Carter sat in the Oval Office and Thomas "Tip" O'Neill was Speaker of the House. Total federal nondefense spending is estimated to grow in real terms by $33 billion, or 11 percent, from 1999 to 2001 under the budget resolution approved by Congress in April 2000. And this is undoubtedly a "best-case" scenario: as the election gets closer, Congress and the White House are almost certain to add billions more to a budget crammed with special-interest spending for just about every constituency in Washington?from farmers, to environmentalists, to road builders, to the teachers' unions and universities.

A major reason for all the new spending is the unwillingness of Republicans to eliminate virtually any government program. Many of the more than 200 programs that the Republicans pledged to eliminate in 1995 in their "Contract with America" fiscal blueprint now have fatter budgets than they had before the changing of the guard.

Overall federal expenditures for 95 of the largest "living-dead" programs have risen a total of 13 percent since 1994. Some programs even received substantial budget increases often in excess of what the White House proposed."


If you ask me, I think everybody's hands are showing some dirt. Everybody's got a constituency, and there's no way around that. Republican or Democrat. Period.


 

thebestMAX

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Classy-

I have read enough, maybe all, of your posts to know how you feel about a lot of things discussed here. It made it very easy for me to see why you sided with TheTrueEqualizer and his political pseudo-intellectualism.

I have nothing against you personally and make it a point never to attack anybody personally. I made this mistake in the past and regretted it.

You have the right to say what you wish just as I have the right to comment upon it.

As for friendship, that is usually an earned thing and not based upon just agreeing with anothers views. My best friends and I are 180 out politically but we are OK with that because there are other greater factors involved.

 

Zucchini

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argh, yea, can't believe someone would bring up draft dodging again. We went out of our bloody way to fight with the soviets. Where did we do it? In someone elses house, how nice of us. I forget the exact number of vietnamese that died because of the US, but it was far far higher then what we lost.

WTF did bushlite do? Even less then gore obviously.
 

classy

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Classy-

I have read enough, maybe all, of your posts to know how you feel about a lot of things discussed here.

thebestmax

Yea like I said, you know nothing about me. And no I won't agree with you just to avoid disagreements or kiss your little @ss because you think your always right. And let me say this a lot of the things you guys comment on, you have no personal experience in those matters so how in the hell would you. I'll say this I am honest and at least I try to give people the benefit of the doubt.
 

thebestMAX

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Classy-

Please read my last post to you again.

Then go bach and re read your posts and see if they are not just a little self contradicting.

You are not the only person here who is a minority and who has had a hard time. Be bitter about it and let it eat you up and you will have the life you expect.
 

Marty

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Would someone please point me towards that which in your mind qualifies Bill Clinton as the best president of the modern era? I honestly can't think of any siginificant accomplishments that came as a direct result of his action as the president. The economy has been fantastic these past years, but remember that the boom started at the very beginning of his presidency, just as the decline in growth we are seeing now is at the beginning of Bush's presidency. Surely neither of them is responsible for what happened under their watch. Militarily, we had several engagements, none of which, in my mind, rise above the fog of uncertainty when it comes to the true motive. We attacked Serbia, but let the one African people slaughter another? It seems to me that Bill Clinton does qualify as the best of the modern era, but not as president. No, I'd say liar or manipulator is more fitting.

Marty
 

classy

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You are not the only person here who is a minority and who has had a hard time. Be bitter about it and let it eat you up and you will have the life you expect. thebestMax

What the hell are you talking about? Bitter? I am far from bitter? Look here Genius half of my family that I love, kiss on, eat with, cry with, grew up with is white. When I present arguements when you you guys get started with your racial stuff, I believe this is what prompted this stupid @ss post by you here, is not because I am racist or bitter. I do it because most of posts if not damn near all of them are based upon second hand knowledge. People here love to take as fact what someone told them as being true instead of finding out for themselves. I know I am not the only minority here, but it like its an army here either. You guys come in here and preach, preach, preach, preach, preach, and preach. My mother is pastor of a church and she doesn't preach more than half of you here. My biggest problem is that most of you think you know it all. And you don't. And when I who live the very life day in and day out, that you think you got all figured out, tell you its not quite the way you think it is you call me everything in the book.
 

AndrewR

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<< We went out of our bloody way to fight with the soviets. Where did we do it? In someone elses house, how nice of us. >>


The more I read about Vietnam, the more I'm convinced that it was not merely a &quot;civil war&quot;, solely an internal struggle, as so many people proclaim. There are too many things that say otherwise, including the testimony of many soldiers who were there at the time.
 

DefRef

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You know, if you scroll quickly and avoid reading most of the words, it's not too bad going!

EVERYBODY SAMBA!!!!
 

Stark

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The more I think about it, the more I become convinced that Clinton is the anti-christ, and his defenders are the spawn of satan... and I don't even like eschatology!
 

thebestMAX

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Classy-

I guess we are just not communicating with each other. Dont think I am guilty of the things you are accusing OT members of, dont recall many posts to you that I made but I do remember some of the threads you are alluding to.

Be that as it may, we just dont seem to come together so Ill just go back to my ways and beliefs and leave you to yours.

 

Zucchini

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stark,

SHHHH!!! if you don't tell anyone, i won't

P.S., the end of the world is near, we won oh happy day!
 

Tiger

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Red,

I seem to remember a day around here when you used to pounce on trolls looking to stir up trouble, especially when they used your handle in a post, making assumptions about who you were and what you believed. Remember?

The troll in question has been a member here for a grand total of 4 days w/ 35 posts. I doubt seriously whether he/she has read that many.

Classy doesn't make me question my beliefs, or choice of party affiliation. He just re-inforces them. I think it's kind of funny when he takes a broadbrush and tries to knock someone down or their argument by attacking that persons perceived political party affiliation, or what he thinks that party represents.

For the record:
While I dislike the idea of Clinton getting hoovered in the oval office, in the grand scheme of things at the time, no big deal. I don't even care that he lied to his wife, his advisors, etc..., But, when it became public knowlege and he looked into the TV camera twice and lied right to my face, then I began to care. Lying to the grand jury added to my disdain of the guy. We have to be able to trust our leaders. If a guy will stand in front of a camera and lie about some trivial sh** like that, what will he do when the Cajones hit the fire?

With pardongate we are talking about a whole different level of power abuse. Selling pardons for contributions to your party and library? As bad as Nixon was I don't think he'd have ever stooped to something as abusive as that. I find it kinda ironic that the some of the same people who are opposed to a tax cut have no problem excusing $48M in back taxes from one of the richest people on the planet, with a single stroke of a pen.

BTW, what happened to your microwave wireless ISP?
 

SJ

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Clinton is a sleaze ball and should be a convicted felon(obstruction of justice).

Not only did he pardon a fugitive. He pardoned a person who scammed poor people out of millions of dollars, who also was being investigated for other crimes by the justice department.

Not only that he pardoned a drug trafficer, come the fvck on, who the hell can still back such a moron/sleaze ball.

Hell I bet he boinked Rich's ex wife, I would not doubt it if he did accept money for pardons, how in the hell does someone pardon those three people based on the merits of their cases? There is no logic involved these people SHOULD NOT have been pardoned. PERIOD. Clinton is a sleaze, plain and simple.

Clinton is a dumb fvck, I bet he belonged to the KKK in Arkansas, wouldn't suprise me seeing how hypocritical the idiot is.
 

Zucchini

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oh dear god your comparing nixon's ACTUAL crime to clintons? that is low... nixon is the real permanent stain on the presidency.
 

SJ

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They both lied to the American people, they both commited felonies. Both were sleaze balls, but atleast Nixon stepped down. Anyone that still thinks Clinton did anything good for the country, or was a good president is an idiot. How in the world can anyone stand by him.
 

Zucchini

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nixon commited conspiracy/breakin/theft, .. actual crime.. he wasn't hounded into lying about something that was his personal business. There is a difference of degree.

atleast nixon stepped down? hah, he had to get a pardon somehow. He had NO choice, guilty/cornered.
 

PistachioByAzul

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Clinton is a sleaze ball and should be a convicted felon

He should be executed for treason and crimes against humanity.
 

PistachioByAzul

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nixon commited conspiracy/breakin/theft

So did the Clintons. Remember the missing FBI files turning up on Hilary's desk?
 

Tiger

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Zuchinni,

Where in my post did I say that Nixon wasn't a stain on the presidency, or try to defend him in any way?

Nixon was guilty of conspiracy and obstruction of justice. It seems Clinton conspired with Rich's ex-wife, his lawyer, and a couple of white house lawyers to sell a pardon. You get obstruction of justice from the fact that with that pardon you wipe out trying to bring to justice a known fugitive from the law that your own justice department has been after for years.

 

Zucchini

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er right engineNr9...i'm sure that was exactly the same as what nixon had done. They had a solid case against her and could send her to jail.. but didn't out of the goodness of their hearts right? your reaching...

Tiger,

I'm saying your comparison is flawed. Clinton is sometimes sleazy, rides the edge of the law, but nixon went much farther. We're still in the dark on how far nixon went because he deleted audio tape.
 

Corn

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We're still in the dark on how far Clinton went because he deleted....err... I mean because all his accomplices committed suicide.
 

Zucchini

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oh yes, vince foster again. once again all the authorities spending millions could not find evidence to prosecute. From all the investigations one would think there was a never ending trail of crime coming from the clintons, yet never any real evidence. So clintons just that smooth eh? Its almost magical.
 

SuperTool

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Clinton is clearly one of the best presidents in the 20th century. And it's precisely his lack of core beliefs or ideology that made him that. I don't think any other president implemented so many of the opposition party's ideas. He did what made sense, not what ideology dictated.
Gore lost because he is not Clinton. Bush won because he is not Clinton. This election was about Clinton, and noone really cared about the guys running in it IMHO.
 
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