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jmcoreymv

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Maybe if you guys stopped getting your info from American Propaganda sources, you would learn the truth. The Communists were never any threat to us, we were by far the main antagonists, and IMO (supported by facts if youd like), we started the cold war.
 

Aihyah

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"Yes, China, the poster boy state for human rights and freedom"

They might not be where they should be, but this kind of talk doesn't help. They and many other countries around the world look at the US as hypocrites. Our own social problems are bad enough.. they have their own, but they have different conditions to deal with.
 

AndrewR

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<< Maybe if you guys stopped getting your info from American Propaganda sources, you would learn the truth. The Communists were never any threat to us, we were by far the main antagonists, and IMO (supported by facts if youd like), we started the cold war. >>


Have you EVER taken a history course or read any books? Amazing.

Sure, the Russians race to take Berlin and as much of Germany as they can in the wake of the fall of the Nazi regime then proceed to subjugate the conquered citizenry of Eastern Europe and install puppet governments to mold those countries into the Warsaw Pact. Then, when several countries attempt popular uprisings (Hungary, Czechoslovakia), they are brutally repressed with Soviet troops. Tell the Hungarian people that the deaths of thousands were the result of American aggression, you fscking nitwit. You can still see the bullet holes from Soviet machineguns on the walls of the palace in Budapest, or have you never bothered to go to Europe to find out these things? Ask the Poles whether they would rather be in NATO or in the Warsaw Pact.

Add to that the myriad Communist revolutionaries who sprung up around the world, in large part funded by the good ol' Red Army government. They were such nice people (the government, the people are fine) that they stole the hydrogen bomb from the U.S. and built their arsenal. Sure, such civilized people such as Stalin would never slaughter millions of their own people to force collectivization, nor would they create the Gulag and send their political foes to die in the freezing wastes of Siberia.

At their height, the Soviets controlled millions of soldiers poised on the borders of NATO nations. Though their technological prowess was never the equal of NATO, sheer numbers can overcome such a difference -- ask the Marines about Korea with the Chinese (who of course were such good little people that they didn't launch a million troops into North Korea), and the Soviets proved that they could hold their own against a formidable foe in WWII. Napoleon and Hitler both underestimated the Russians, and both were defeated badly as a result. NATO may have overestimated them, but that may have proved to be enough to adequately defend Western Europe had an attack ever been launched.

How many other facts are you going to ignore in your blithe little view of the Cold War? It seems that the propaganda you believe comes from the Kremlin.
 

Corn

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*Me wonders which one of the participants drew Red's ire.........
 

thebestMAX

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<<oh yea, china's %#@ scary. get your paranoid head outa your ass. China's not out to get anyone, as for the nuclear weap bull$hit, no proof of wrong doing. >>

Yep and I suppose next you are going to tell us India and Pakistan are not threat and love each other. We KNOW they have nukes.
 

grimwulf

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I need to point out the question of lying to a grand jury with regards to Paula Jones, was on a count of Sexual Harassment(WHICH IS A CRIME AND THE QUESTION HAS THE RIGHT TO BE ASKED). To which Bill Clinton said &quot;I have not had sexual relations with that woman&quot;. Sound familiar?

So you mean to tell me, if I sexually harass someone, I should not be asked about whether I had sex or not with said person? And if I am, I can lie?
 

jmcoreymv

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AndrewR: Alright heres my facts

A) Russian Revolution
1) America Supports Whites, initial act that created unrest between USA and Russia

B) Paris Peace Conference
1) Russia is excluded, Stalin views this as an act against communism

C) Spirit of Locarno
1) West is supporting Germany and excluding Russia. Possible allying against Russia

D) Spanish Civil War
1) Russia Sees that the west is attacking communists anywhere

E) Munich Conference
1) west was giving the enemy what Germany wanted

F) Second Front Controversy
1) West delayed the opening of a second front. Russia saw that the west let its people die.
 

Calamari

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<<Have you EVER taken a history course or read any books? Amazing.>>

Interesting statement, please don't critique about that.

<<Sure, the Russians race to take Berlin and as much of Germany as they can in the wake of the fall of the Nazi regime then proceed to subjugate the conquered citizenry of Eastern Europe and install puppet governments to mold those countries into the Warsaw Pact. Then, when several countries attempt popular uprisings (Hungary, Czechoslovakia), they are brutally repressed with Soviet troops. Tell the Hungarian people that the deaths of thousands were the result of American aggression, you fscking nitwit. You can still see the bullet holes from Soviet machineguns on the walls of the palace in Budapest, or have you never bothered to go to Europe to find out these things? Ask the Poles whether they would rather be in NATO or in the Warsaw Pact.>>

I have to agree with you that the Soviets didn't treat their citizens well, but you don't seem to understand it completely. Towards the end of the WWII, Russia was determined to get even with Germany. Once the Soviets entered Germany, they literally stole it. They dissassembled every factory, hotel, or commecial building and sent it back to the USSR. At the end of the war, Russia mildly began rebuilding Germany, but most broken buildings never got repaired.

As for the puppet Governments, those Governments were ran by Facist nuts that would stop at nothing to destroy communism, so Russia had to change the government to something that's a little more friendly to it.

<<Add to that the myriad Communist revolutionaries who sprung up around the world, in large part funded by the good ol' Red Army government. They were such nice people (the government, the people are fine) that they stole the hydrogen bomb from the U.S. and built their arsenal. Sure, such civilized people such as Stalin would never slaughter millions of their own people to force collectivization, nor would they create the Gulag and send their political foes to die in the freezing wastes of Siberia.>>

The first country other than russia to turn commi was china, and can you blaim them? Jen Jieng ran around china fighting communist Mao. Which would you side with? A power hungry leader that ran sacked his citizens or a man devoted to the teachings of Marx that would pay the peasants for his army's food? It's no doubt why communist Mao got the support of 90% of china's population (which were peasants) and revolted against the land lords and Jan Jieng (whom the United States personally sent weapons and funded to fight Mao).

And the Russians never stole Nuclear technology from USA. Nuclear technology began sometime after the first world war by Eistein. The technology spread to USA and Russia. Heck, the closest thing the Russians did to stealing nuclear technology was taking the planes that nuked Hiroshima and Nakaski and study how the Americans were able to fit a nuke in a plane.

And everyone has heard of Stalen's purges. Stalin was a paranoid freak. After he was out of power the purges nearly halted.

<<At their height, the Soviets controlled millions of soldiers poised on the borders of NATO nations. Though their technological prowess was never the equal of NATO, sheer numbers can overcome such a difference -- ask the Marines about Korea with the Chinese (who of course were such good little people that they didn't launch a million troops into North Korea), and the Soviets proved that they could hold their own against a formidable foe in WWII. Napoleon and Hitler both underestimated the Russians, and both were defeated badly as a result. NATO may have overestimated them, but that may have proved to be enough to adequately defend Western Europe had an attack ever been launched.>>

I really don't know where you get that the Soviets didn't have good technology. They had better tanks, better rifles, and eventually better planes. Anything the USA had, the Soviets had. They even beat USA to sending an object into orbit (although all it was was a mettle ball that blinked and beeped). North Korea attacked South Korea on its own, this shocked both the Soviets and United States. And the Russians aren't that good at fighting wars. Both Nepolean and Hitler made the exact same stupid mistake. Both of them split their army and attack when winter was near by. The Russian winter was what saved Russia.

The Russian army was powerful, it could have probably taken on the rest of Europe. Western Europe + USA probably would have massed an army of 13 million vs. Russia's 15 million army. But they would never attack, b/c USA had Nuclear Missiles in 15 or so different countries pointing at it. Also USA's policy of containment never let a Soviet fly leave the USSR without USA knowing.

Really, Russia was doing the best it could to defend itself against a country ran by Right-wing nuts.
 

Tiger

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It'ridculous to think the USSR would have detonated their first fission bomb when they did, 1949, without stealing secrets from the US. The Russians admit this in every documentary ever done on the subject. They were way behind. If it hadn't been for Klaus Fuchs and the rest of their spy network they wouldn't have had their first fission bomb until after we had our first fusion bomb in 1953.

Anymore revisionist history need debunking?
 
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