Clinton is Suck.......

[JellyBaby]

<< Clinton's tax cut for the &quot;Rich&quot; is far more generous than what Bush proposed >>

LOL Corn! Good one.

SuperTool,

Yes, let's definitely put a stop to all law enforcement. It simply costs too much.

 

[SuperTool]

I say no more selling influence for political donations. Let's investigate every politician that ever sold access for contributions. That's one surefire way to clear the House, the Senate, and the White House. Taking money in exchange for political access is about as new as lying about sex.
The republicans stand to lose the most from this scrutiny of contributions and selling access. But of course they are again blinded by this hatred they have for Clinton. They just never learn.

 

[JellyBaby]

SuperTool,

Term limits across the board would certainly go along way toward fighting corruption. Part of the problem is that problematic (shady, corrupt, insane) leadership rises to power and stays there far too long. I like we've had our fill of Lotts, Dashles, Kennedys, etc. Mr. Senator, just go in there do your job and exit in 4 or 8. Sounds good to me.

<< Taking money in exchange for political access is about as new as >>

Last I checked it was still illegal.

 

[SuperTool]

If it's illegal, lets investigate every politician, not just single out Bill Clinton. To me it seems like a huge hypocricy. The senate investigating someone for selling access for contributions.

 

[Aihyah]

They don't know the meaning of hipocracy.. remember the known adulterers righteously investigating another adulterer?

 

[Corn]

What are you talking about with this &quot;access&quot;. The controversy surrounding Clinton is not regarding &quot;access&quot;, but the fact that the campaign funds may have come directly from a foriegn national (illegal) trying to buy a pardon.

It is not illegal to buy &quot;access&quot;, so don't imply that it is. The Clintons used campaign donations for &quot;access&quot;, and while that might have turned the White House into the Sleazy Rest Motel for 8 years, most of the &quot;access&quot; campaign contributions they received were not illegal.

 

[Tiger]

This isn't about selling influence, it's about selling a Presidential pardon. The Presidency is the only office in federal government with this power. It's absolute and can't be reversed by a vote in congress, or court ruling.

I'd love to see if the same level of compassionate concern for an ex-president's retirement would be maintained if it had been a Republican president. I doubt it.

 

[SuperTool]

By access I mean opportunity to present your case to the politician.
Now, an average Joe in prison is not likely to get a pardon simply because his lawyer will probably not get an opportunity to present the case to the president. Rich of course had that opportunity because of his wife's donations and his lawyer. Now in order for this to be bribery, one has to prove that there was an agreement that Clinton would give Rich pardon in exchange for contributions. If Denise Rich donated the money, and president felt that he should repay the favor with this pardon, that's not bribery unless there was an explicit agreement. Granted, the president might have felt obliged to pardon Rich. But unless Denise Rich said &quot;I will give you a million if you pardon my husband&quot; and he accepted, that's not bribery, even if it looks bad.

 

[JenniZ]

Bah, just looking over the thread, and seen the rantings of DludedEqualizer there.. Look I'm no republican OR democrat. I think bush is worthless, but I also think clinton was pretty worthless too. You are just as deluded as the people you insult when you speak without facts.. You hate republicans for the same line of thinking republicans hate democrats.... Democrats hate republicans, because they are not democrats, and republicans hate democrats because they are not republicans. You have no 'facts' just like anyone else here, and use the SAME EXACT tactic that republicans use against you. Basically all you are acomplishing is trolling, woopie do, lets throw you a party, or even better a Political party. Yuck yuck

People only talk sense when they are not biased. You say &quot;Ignorant republican parents raise, ignorant republican children&quot;... duh same for the democrats. People need to get their heads out of their asses and look at the real issues here without a biased towards there party. When everyone does that, they will see how screwed the whole thing is to begin with on both sides.

 

[BoberFett]

JenniZ

You're my kind of woman. That brain on that body, woohoo!

 

[Rockhound]

For all the B.S. that is being spouted in this thread no one, especially you TrueEqualizer, has laid out what Clinton did for this country. Come on, lay it out, what EXACTLY did he do for this country, our economy, military, etc.?? I'd like to know specifics. None of this B.S. that he was president when the economy was doing so well, that might be true but what exactly did he do?? Did he invent this economy? Or no, wait, I'm thinking of Gore's invention of the internet (hehe) - yeah right...What did he do? Again, I ask, what EXACTLY did he do?

Rockhound

 

[Moonbeam]

Did I mention that Gore won?

 

[AndrewR]

<< (Bigot as in those who are intolerant of anybody who's political views are different) >>


Red, you do realize that you are describing yourself there, too, right?

SuperTool, you equate &quot;access to a politician&quot; with a carte blanche &quot;get out of jail&quot; free card for someone who was on the FBI's 10 Most Wanted list??? Those two things are not even remotely in the same category, and if you can't understand why, it makes perfect sense why you support Clinton.

Moonbeam, are you off your meds again???

 

[Rockhound]

Ok, Red Dawn, skip the B.S. and get down to it. What did he do? Name it fool. If you can't then why are you even bothering...

 

[PistachioByAzul]

Calling the sky &quot;green&quot; often enough doesn't mean it is....

For the CNN watching, New York Times reading populace it more often than not doest mean it is. Reification through repitition of rhetoric.

 

[gittyup]

Is it just me or is it time to move past the Clinton era. Good or bad, it's over...

 

[JellyBaby]

<< Is it just me or is it time to move past the Clinton era. >>

In the context of Clinton, over the past 8 years I think we've heard that phrase about 7,000 times give or take a few dozen. I hope the folks who enjoy chanting that mantra do so if and when Bush makes &quot;mistakes&quot;.

 

[Orbius]

Dude you have no idea what Clinton has done for this country, because you're living in a hate-filled fog, thats the only explanation for not knowing.
Big things: 1.)getting a balanced budget finally passed, Republicans poo-poo'ed it the whole way through, but guess what there ended up being a surplus. This was all due to Clinton.
2.)Vastly improved relations with China, and Asia as a whole, you may not think this is a big deal, but Clinton is highly thought of in China. He's helped bring about a shift in perception about America to the Chinese. This is big! If we have a lot of animosity between us and China it could be catastrophic in the future.

These are a couple of big things that pop to mind, but I think his most remarkable achievement is his composure in the face of lots of adversity. To have people hating you left and right is not an easy thing, but Clinton always managed to keep a smile on his face, and always exuded confidence despite all the people trying to bring him down.
This confidence has helped to put a good face on the US around the world (almost all countries ended up appreciating Clinton). No he's certainly not a perfect man, he can be quite self-centered and obviously is capable of lying quite well. . But then America's always loved a rogue. He's been a good President, and one that is obviously already greatly missed, because of the publics/press' inability to let him go.

 

[Aihyah]

yes, he stood pretty well under preassure, i don't know how he did it.

 

[Moonbeam]

JellyBaby, &quot;if and when Bush makes mistakes&quot; That's been going on a long time. Here's a reference to a US news and world reports article. Scroll down to Insider Trading and George W. Bush and click for the full story.
Link

 

[Corn]

Orbius, talk about having &quot;no idea&quot;:

I'll give Billybob this--at least he didn't screw up the economy. Heck, even though I bitched and moaned, his tax increases didn't curtail the prosperity we were headed to. Actually, I believe that increasing taxes was far preferable to the alternative (Greenspan increasing interest rates) in what whould ultimately would have lead to a very high rate of inflation which would have needed to have been nipped.

However; it was a blend of both Billybob's and Congress that contributed to the budget surplus. Neither can fully take any undue credit--claiming otherwise is foolish. It's not like Billybob's first budget was passed, or his 2nd, or even 3rd. Catching my drift?



<< Vastly improved relations with China, and Asia as a whole, you may not think this is a big deal, but Clinton is highly thought of in China. >>


Duh, I'm sure that handing over nuclear weapons technology really helped imporve relations with China. LOL, and I'm sure Komrade Klinton is &quot;highly thought of&quot;, but by whom exactly?.....after all where did you think all those illegal Chinese campaign contributions come from? The peasants?......or the Communist government riding on the backs of them? ....and why do I get all nervous when I think about the Communist regime in China gettin all buddy buddy with our government?

 

[Nefrodite]

oh yea, china's %#@ scary. get your paranoid head outa your ass. China's not out to get anyone, as for the nuclear weap bull$hit, no proof of wrong doing.

 

[JellyBaby]

<< &quot;if and when Bush makes mistakes&quot; That's been going on a long time. Here's a reference to a US news and world reports article. Scroll down to Insider Trading and George W. Bush and click for the full story. >>

Moonbeam,

Hmmm, 1990? Have anything more current like beginning Jan. 20th? But if nothing else your story illustrates how difficult it is to invesigate the politically elite. For example Clinton had so many officials, fellow party members, news spinners etc. in his court it was easy to block/disuade/circumvent most allegations so they never expanded into investigations. Without Janet Reno I suspect Wild Bill would be wearing a Zebra Outfit right about now.

Anyway, this thread is about Clinton. Stay on topic.

 

[Rockhound]

Orbius,

He's had a smile on his face because he was getting a bj in the oval office, that's about the only reason for that. As far as having a good face around the world, there were plenty that disliked him as much as if not more than those who did. Asia/China relations?? That's what Clinton did for us? He's looked at very favorably there. Yea, so what. The Chinese are out to infiltrate us anyway they can and they found the perfect idiot to help them do it. They very well might have gotten nuclear secrets from us because of Clinton. This is good? No, no real hard evidence of that, at least none that was proven outright, but it sure as hell looks that way.

Balanced budget? Sorry, Repubs were out with this first. They've been hammering that point for a long time. Besides, do you know how the budget got balanced due to Clinton? Remember the big tax increase in 1993? That sure as hell had something to do with it. But, that's the easy way to do it. And now that the budget is (supposedly) balanced and we have a surplus bigger than anything this bozo ever would have imagined, why was he and the Dems so against reducing the taxes? And don't forget the big defender of the senior population, good 'ol Billy Bob also raised Social security taxes on the seniors in 1993 as well. Don't know about you, but since 1993 I am paying more in taxes - way more. Sure, the budget is balanced now, but on the backs of the American people and not because Clinton was so dam smart that he figured a clever way to do this. Tax revenue has also increased due to the robust economy. Now, you're going to tell me that raising taxes is the key to a good economy? I doubt it. If so, why not raise them every year?

So, what else did he do in those 8 years?

 

[Corn]

<< China's not out to get anyone.... >>



Yes, China, the poster boy state for human rights and freedom. Thankfully, China seems busy and satisfied enough with killing and imprisoning thier own population. Once the blood thirsty commies there tire of subjugating the peasants (prison is certain--execution is preferable--for anyone that dares speak out against it's ever so philanthropedically endowed government) they are gonna wanna take some else's ball away. Anyone that would think otherwise should &quot;get your head outta your ass&quot;.