Clinton: Most Truthful Candidate with Enthusiastic Supporters

[Knowing]

They'll both be on the ballot, I'm sure.

Or-

Oh, God! Poor Bernie! There's this one guy in DC trying to fuck him over! Must be a Party stooge! They're all trying to fuck him!

Dirty rotten Democrats!

I'd rather vote for Bernie than Trump, but I'd vote for Shiva the destroyer before casting a chit for Hillary.

 

[TheSlamma]

Can they show the poll without the "half-truths"

 

[bshole]

Bill Clinton overturned Glass-Steagall, one of the worst and most catastrophic moves in history. It took only a decade for that decision to metastasize into the banking collapse of 2007 which cost Americans trillions of dollars while allowing the banking industry to walk away largely unscathed. It is no secret that Hillary and Bill have received millions of dollars from the banking industry. A vote for Hillary is a vote for the most cancerous corrupt institution in America.... BANKING. She is by the far the most in the bag candidate with regards to banking.

Another critical issue is her hawkish approach to the Middle East. If she gets elected, we will be neck deep back in the Middle East. She has shown herself completely unable to learn from America's mountain of failure in the Middle East. Bomb and kill are the ONLY tools in her arsenal with respect to that..... just like her Republican counterparts.

I get physically ill thinking of this corporate shrew in office. I wish they would indict her already and give Bernie a shot.

 

[bshole]

I will never ever ever ever pull the lever for that bitch Clinton. I absolutely loathe any Democrat that would do so. They are worse than the Republicans.

Bernie Sanders is the only Democrat not linked to an FBI investigation. If this doesn’t mean anything to you, then you’re too terrified of Trump’s rallies to realize that Clinton could get indicted. Also, if you can’t fathom the possibility of Donald Trump winning, then keep in mind that most Americans don’t trust or like Hillary Clinton. A general election isn’t a popularity contest among Democrats. In 10 out of 10 national polls regarding favorability, Hillary Clinton has negative favorability ratings nationally in all 10.

Be very careful what you wish for, because most Americans have an unfavorable view of Clinton and Bernie Sanders already beats Trump by a wider margin. I’m only voting for Bernie Sanders in 2016 and I explain why in this YouTube segment. Most importantly, Democrats should remember that 33% of Bernie Sanders voters will refuse to vote for Clinton in November, if she becomes nominee.

http://www.salon.com/2016/03/16/our...ocrats_will_come_to_rue_clinton_over_sanders/

 

[senseamp]

Bill Clinton overturned Glass-Steagall, one of the worst and most catastrophic moves in history. It took only a decade for that decision to metastasize into the banking collapse of 2007 which cost Americans trillions of dollars while allowing the banking industry to walk away largely unscathed. It is no secret that Hillary and Bill have received millions of dollars from the banking industry. A vote for Hillary is a vote for the most cancerous corrupt institution in America.... BANKING. She is by the far the most in the bag candidate with regards to banking.

Another critical issue is her hawkish approach to the Middle East. If she gets elected, we will be neck deep back in the Middle East. She has shown herself completely unable to learn from America's mountain of failure in the Middle East. Bomb and kill are the ONLY tools in her arsenal with respect to that..... just like her Republican counterparts.

I get physically ill thinking of this corporate shrew in office. I wish they would indict her already and give Bernie a shot.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...linton-glass-steagall-had-nothing-do-financi/

 

[bshole]

A vote for Hilllary is a vote for the neocons. You are PART of the problem if you vote for her.

Bill Kristol and other neoconservatives would rather see Hillary Clinton in the White House than Trump, so while I’ll never vote for Trump, I’ll never vote for a Democrat with a neoconservative foreign policy.

At some point, people like Bill and Hillary Clinton must learn that their duplicity, in terms of overt leaning towards conservative policies (read Michelle Alexander’s Nation piece) must come with peaceful political repercussions from a disenchanted base.

http://www.salon.com/2016/03/16/our...ocrats_will_come_to_rue_clinton_over_sanders/

 

[fskimospy]

A vote for Hilllary is a vote for the neocons. You are PART of the problem if you vote for her.

http://www.salon.com/2016/03/16/our...ocrats_will_come_to_rue_clinton_over_sanders/

lol yet another H A Goodman piece. This one guy is responsible for an amazing amount of poorly informed, hyperbolic pieces on Hillary Clinton. You must love him!

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/02/ult...an-who-experienced-the-bern-and-fell-in-love/

Here's a list of some of his pieces just within the last 9 months. (one was from the day Bernie announced.

Hillary Clinton just can’t win: Democrats need to accept that only Bernie Sanders can defeat the GOP (2/19/16)

Hillary Clinton’s political machine has been busted — thanks to Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren (2/9/16)

Hillary Clinton is more right wing than you think: For progressives, a vote for her over Bernie Sanders is a waste (12/30/15)

I still won’t vote for Hillary — unless her supporters can answer these 20 questions (12/7/15)

I wouldn’t vote for Dick Cheney, so I won’t vote for Hillary Clinton: An unrepentant only-Sanders voter fires back at critics (12/2/15)

No, really, I’ll only vote for Bernie Sanders — and Paris helps explain why (11/18/15)

Hillary Clinton is on wrong side of everything: Stop telling me I have to vote for her because of the Supreme Court (11/11/15)

I’m a Bernie Sanders voter who will not support Hillary Clinton: Here are 10 reasons why (11/10/15)

Bernie Sanders has already won: He’s not only gaining on Hillary, he’s pushing her the right direction (10/13/15)

Hillary’s bizarre Keystone dodge: Once again, she plays into Sanders’ hands (7/29/15)

Hillary’s Keystone problem: Bernie Sanders pushes from left, but Clinton’s position still ambiguous (7/20/15)

Trump can’t buy Sanders: How campaign finance — and those old Clinton/Trump contributions — might matter (7/15/15)

They’re terrified of Bernie Sanders: Fox News, Hillary surrogates and Wall Street get extra-nervous (7/13/15)

If only Hillary could rope in Bernie Sanders: The primary nightmare she suddenly can’t avoid (7/12/15)

Paul Ryan’s much-needed history lesson: What he really needs to learn about urban poverty (4/29/14)

Bernie Sanders Is the Only Democratic Candidate Capable of Winning the White House (2/19/16)

Beware of the Angry White People Supporting Hillary and Spreading the ‘Bernie Bro’ Myth (2/17/16)

If Superdelegates Steal This Election From Bernie Sanders, I’ll Write-In Bernie’s Name (2/12/16)

New Hampshire Women Chose Bernie Sanders in a Landslide, Not Hillary Clinton (2/10/16)

Marco Rubio and Hillary Clinton Accepted Almost the Same Amount of Prison Lobbyist Donations (2/9/16)

Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren Have Defeated Hillary Clinton’s Political Machine (2/8/16)

If Hillary Clinton Isn’t Influenced by Wall Street Cash, Then Why Overturn Citizens United? (2/5/16)

Bernie Sanders Will Ban Fracking. Hillary Clinton ‘Sold Fracking to the World’ (2/4/16)

Bernie Sanders Will Save America From Becoming a ‘Coin Flip Democracy’ (2/3/16)

Bernie Sanders Won Iowa’s Political Momentum and Shattered Clinton’s Inevitability Myth (2/2/16)

Bernie Sanders Is a Once in a Lifetime Presidential Candidate. The Time Is Now. (1/29/16)

5 Reasons Bernie Sanders Will Win the Presidency in a Landslide (1/27/16)

Rahm Emanuel Raised Money for Hillary Clinton. Another Reason to Vote for Bernie Sanders (1/25/16)

Hillary Clinton Isn’t Only Against Reparations, She Accepted Money from Prison Lobbyists (1/22/16)

Bernie Sanders Will Dominate Super Tuesday and Defeat Clinton in Southern States (1/20/16)

Bernie Sanders Will Win Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina. Here’s Why. (1/18/16)

Bernie Sanders Is Now the ‘Inevitable’ Democratic Nominee and Presidential Winner (1/15/16)

Bernie Sanders Will Win the Democratic Nomination and Presidency in a Landslide (1/13/16)

Clinton Attacks Bernie Sanders on Guns, But Was as a ‘Pro-Gun Churchgoer’ in 2008 (1/11/16)

I especially liked how many times he wrongly called Sanders the 'inevitable' nominee or wrongly predicted him winning states.

 

[bshole]

I especially liked how many times he wrongly called Sanders the 'inevitable' nominee or wrongly predicted him winning states.

Given that Sanders is Clintons ideological, moral and intellectual better in every respect, given that Sanders actually gives a shit about the poor and the middle class, given that Sanders is not a bloodthirsty warhawk intent on mass murder, give that Sanders is not a corporate shill, is it any wonder that he would think this? There is no ethical nor logical reason to vote for the Hillary. Obama is good, Sanders is better. Clinton is the same as Jeb.... not similar.... the SAME.

 

[Jhhnn]

Bill Clinton overturned Glass-Steagall, one of the worst and most catastrophic moves in history. It took only a decade for that decision to metastasize into the banking collapse of 2007 which cost Americans trillions of dollars while allowing the banking industry to walk away largely unscathed. It is no secret that Hillary and Bill have received millions of dollars from the banking industry. A vote for Hillary is a vote for the most cancerous corrupt institution in America.... BANKING. She is by the far the most in the bag candidate with regards to banking.

Another critical issue is her hawkish approach to the Middle East. If she gets elected, we will be neck deep back in the Middle East. She has shown herself completely unable to learn from America's mountain of failure in the Middle East. Bomb and kill are the ONLY tools in her arsenal with respect to that..... just like her Republican counterparts.

I get physically ill thinking of this corporate shrew in office. I wish they would indict her already and give Bernie a shot.

The bullshit heaping in that is really pretty amazing.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/07/opinion/hillary-clinton-how-id-rein-in-wall-street.html?_r=0

It seems unlikely that financial sector regulators will be instructed to sit on their hands as during the Bush years.

 

[fskimospy]

Given that Sanders is Clintons ideological, moral and intellectual better in every respect,

If Sanders is Clinton's intellectual better then why can't he craft a health care plan that adds up? Sanders is doing the same thing the GOP does in every election cycle, which is promising things they can't hope to deliver because he knows he won't ever actually have to worry about implementing it.

given that Sanders actually gives a shit about the poor and the middle class, given that Sanders is not a bloodthirsty warhawk intent on mass murder, give that Sanders is not a corporate shill, is it any wonder that he would think this? There is no ethical nor logical reason to vote for the Hillary. Obama is good, Sanders is better. Clinton is the same as Jeb.... not similar.... the SAME.

This is random, factless ranting. There are plenty of good reasons to vote for Clinton over Sanders, the principal one being that her plans actually add up and make mathematical sense. That's a crucial advantage she has over literally every other candidate on both sides, haha.

As for 'Clinton is the same as Jeb'? Very interesting! Let's look at their tax plans:

Jeb:
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/publications/analysis-governor-bushs-tax-plan/full

Total change in federal revenues over 10 years: -$6.8 trillion
Change in taxes for top 1%: -$167,325 per year (tax rate decreases by 7.1%)
Change in taxes for top .01%: -808,196 per year (tax rate decreases by 7.6%)

Hillary:
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/publications/analysis-hillary-clintons-tax-proposals/full

Total change in federal revenues over 10 years: +$1.1 trillion
Change in taxes for top 1%: +$119,905 (tax rate increases by 3.4%)
Change in taxes for top .01%: +$763,585 (tax rate increases by 5.2%)

So all in all, the person who wants to cut taxes for the ultra rich by the better part of a million dollars a year and the person who wants to increase taxes for the ultra rich by the better part of a million dollars a year are the SAME.

You can't actually believe this stupidity, can you?

 

[Rakehellion]

I'm referring to this:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-sanders-says-real-unemployment-rate-african/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-bernie-sanders-says-african-american-youth-/

vs this:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-trump-says-unemployment-rate-may-be-42-perc/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-trump-repeats-pants-fire-claim-unemployment/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-trump-says-real-unemployment-rate-18-20-per/

So correction, Trump received three false-or-worse ratings that Sanders received a half-true or mostly-true for.

"Bernie Sanders says African-American youth unemployment is 51%, and 36% for Hispanics"

Two qualifiers that Trump didn't use in his statement.

 

[Rakehellion]

Even the Uber liberals are not liking Hillary:

Hillary is not uber liberal.

 

[senseamp]

No point arguing with Sanderistas.

 

[swamplizard]

No point arguing with Sanderistas.

Greetings,

I have felt throughout the campaigns that the Democrats were well above the repugs in both civility and substance. I am deeply committed to Bernie, but in the end should Hillary receive the nomination, then I will vote for her. I ask Hillary supporters to do the same in respect to Bernie. Now enough of this bickering between Democrats, we're better than that, IMHO.

best regards,
swampy

 

[ivwshane]

Greetings,

I have felt throughout the campaigns that the Democrats were well above the repugs in both civility and substance. I am deeply committed to Bernie, but in the end should Hillary receive the nomination, then I will vote for her. I ask Hillary supporters to do the same in respect to Bernie. Now enough of this bickering between Democrats, we're better than that, IMHO.

best regards,
swampy

Perhaps, instead of continuously telling hillary supporters that you could tell your fellow bernie bros something similar.

 

[senseamp]

Greetings,

I have felt throughout the campaigns that the Democrats were well above the repugs in both civility and substance. I am deeply committed to Bernie, but in the end should Hillary receive the nomination, then I will vote for her. I ask Hillary supporters to do the same in respect to Bernie. Now enough of this bickering between Democrats, we're better than that, IMHO.

best regards,
swampy

I respect Bernie. But his supporters don't respect Hillary. Maybe you are the exception.

 

[swamplizard]

Perhaps, instead of continuously telling hillary supporters that you could tell your fellow bernie bros something similar.

Greetings,

It was meant to insinuate both directions. Through my own admission of being a Bernie supporter, I hope to convince other supporters that unity is of utmost importance in this election, a lot is at stake. So regardless of which candidate wins the nomination, let's rally behind him or her. How is that?

best regards,
swampy

 

[Bowfinger]

I respect Bernie. But his supporters don't respect Hillary. Maybe you are the exception.

Some of his "supporters" don't respect Clinton. The most blatant offender is Mystic-something. But, he's so obnoxiously, over-the-top anti-Clinton that I suspect he's really a GOP shill parodying a Sanders supporter. As you've just shown, he hurts Sanders more than helping him, and he has the same mindless, raging temperament of a Trump-bot.

There are also Clinton supporters here who become obnoxious in attacking Sanders. It's unfortunate and reveals similar fanaticism. Both candidates have pros and cons. Both are a huge step up from the GOP clown show. We should be able to discuss their differences while maintaining respect for both Clinton and Sanders, and for their reasoned supporters.

 

[swamplizard]

Some of his "supporters" don't respect Clinton. The most blatant offender is Mystic-something. But, he's so obnoxiously, over-the-top anti-Clinton that I suspect he's really a GOP shill parodying a Sanders supporter. As you've just shown, he hurts Sanders more than helping him, and he has the same mindless, raging temperament of a Trump-bot.

There are also Clinton supporters here who become obnoxious in attacking Sanders. It's unfortunate and reveals similar fanaticism. Both candidates have pros and cons. Both are a huge step up from the GOP clown show. We should be able to discuss their differences while maintaining respect for both Clinton and Sanders, and for their reasoned supporters.

Greetings,

Well stated! :thumbsup::thumbsup:

best regards,
swampy

 

[BoberFett]

Some of his "supporters" don't respect Clinton. The most blatant offender is Mystic-something. But, he's so obnoxiously, over-the-top anti-Clinton that I suspect he's really a GOP shill parodying a Sanders supporter. As you've just shown, he hurts Sanders more than helping him, and he has the same mindless, raging temperament of a Trump-bot.

There are also Clinton supporters here who become obnoxious in attacking Sanders. It's unfortunate and reveals similar fanaticism. Both candidates have pros and cons. Both are a huge step up from the GOP clown show. We should be able to discuss their differences while maintaining respect for both Clinton and Sanders, and for their reasoned supporters.

Except that one of those candidates suffers from many of the same defects that Republicans do. One does not. One of them is a lesser evil (not to me, but to others obviously) than the Republicans while the other isn't even in the same league.

Do Democrats demand respectful debate of Republican candidates and their ideas? This forum is 50% Republican bashing, no respect at all. So why should anybody respect someone who's just slightly less evil than them?

 

[Victorian Gray]

It's amazing to see what over 20 years of mud slinging can accomplish.

 

[BoberFett]

It's amazing to see what over 20 years of mud slinging can accomplish.

Oh yes, Hillary, that poor victim.

 

[MongGrel]

Oh yes, Hillary, that poor victim.

There's is a pot calling a kettle black, half the time.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Oh yes, Hillary, that poor victim.

Thanks for making my point. :thumbsup:

 

[BoberFett]

Fuck you Greenpeace!

http://twitchy.com/2016/03/31/i-am-sick-of-it-hillary-goes-off-on-greenpeace-activist-video/

http://www.salon.com/2016/03/31/wat...sick_of_you_bringing_up_my_fossil_fuel_money/

Yep, she's just a victim of that rightwing smear machine Greenpeace .

This election is amazing. It's proving that a vast number of "liberals" are imbeciles.


By the way, watch your tone and finger pointing Hillary you misogynist.