Clinton says he didn't use warrantless wiretaps

[mylok]

but but but Clinton lied about having SEX... you right wing nut jobs are priceless. how about you post proof Clinton ordered wiretaps without warrants? links? time to put up or shut up.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: slyedog
and clinton said " i didnot have sexual relations with that woman"

Man, why you haven't been banned for posting the same inane drivel over and over again in every thread is beyond comprehension.

Oh this is so funny on so many levels

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: slyedog
and clinton said " i didnot have sexual relations with that woman"


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Based on your track record of use; this quote has no real bearing on the thread topic.

Once is fine; however, if you love this line so much, put it in your signature.

Mod

It questions his honesty, which has been proven - in a court of law not a internets forum - to be false on at least one occassion. I don't see how it isn't relevant, especially when the topic is clinton.

:thumbsdown: no :beer: from me.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: mylok
but but but Clinton lied about having SEX... you right wing nut jobs are priceless. how about you post proof Clinton ordered wiretaps without warrants? links? time to put up or shut up.

Yep.

 

[dimensionOFdissension]

Originally posted by: delas52

Sounds a lot more like Bush. In fact, I think you may have been describing Bush I and misunderstood you.

I will not excuse Clinton's failures and his criminal actions just because I share his side of the isle on social issues.

 

[mylok]

i would like to see proof Clinton did this (i have heard this charge on hannity, rush, and glen beck programs). I do not want anyone either on the right or left having the power to do this without some kind of oversight.

 

[GroundedSailor]

Originally posted by: mylok
i would like to see proof Clinton did this (i have heard this charge on hannity, rush, and glen beck programs). I do not want anyone either on the right or left having the power to do this without some kind of oversight.

Me too. I would like to see proof of that charge. It's easy to make assumptions and try to create an impression based on falsehood. Lets see that backed up by facts.

 

[Jhhnn]

You're catching on to the usual rightwing attack mode, mylok. In response to criticism based on verifiable fact, they attack with innuendo and empty accusations, then demand that the victim prove their innocence...

"Have you quit beating your wife?" is an example of the framing technique...

It's the same as that used to justify the invasion of Iraq...

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: slyedog
and clinton said " i didnot have sexual relations with that woman"

And this obvious troll by you has to do with what?

for the troll.

Update:

Originally posted by: slyedog
and clinton said " i didnot have sexual relations with that woman"


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Based on your track record of use; this quote has no real bearing on the thread topic.

Once is fine; however, if you love this line so much, put it in your signature.

Mod

:beer: for the Mod! :laugh:

I'm pretty sure his intention was to establish the fact that Clinton lied through his entire eight years. That just happens to be the most colorful quote with which to emphasize that fact. And since Clinton is a known liar, (and not just about the BJ) his denials of impropriety have to be taken with a grain of salt.

Maybe that was the argument, but it's a pretty stupid one. After all, there is NOTHING suggesting Clinton did use warrentless wiretaps, so it seems reasonable to believe him when he says he didn't. The fact that he has a history of lying to cover his ass would be relevant IF there was some sort of question, but there's not. The charge is a fabricated smoke screen with nothing behind it.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: mylok
but but but Clinton lied about having SEX... you right wing nut jobs are priceless. how about you post proof Clinton ordered wiretaps without warrants? links? time to put up or shut up.

Clinton lied about a lot of things. Not just sex. (Although I'm not sure why the subject matters more than the act itself...)

As for seeking "proof" that Clinton ordered wrrantless wiretaps... Nobody is really picking on him for that here. My comments were primarily directed at his deinal of having done so and the weight (or lack thereof) such a statement carries with his past history of being loose with the facts.

Everytime he opens his mouth these days I find myself going... O RLY?

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: slyedog
and clinton said " i didnot have sexual relations with that woman"


-----------------------------
Based on your track record of use; this quote has no real bearing on the thread topic.

Once is fine; however, if you love this line so much, put it in your signature.

Mod

It questions his honesty, which has been proven - in a court of law not a internets forum - to be false on at least one occassion. I don't see how it isn't relevant, especially when the topic is clinton.

:thumbsdown: no :beer: from me.

If all we had to go on was Clinton's word, it might be reasonable to drag that old quote out. But since the charge that Clinton used warrentless wiretaps lacks any sort of factual proof, Clinton's statement seems to line up with the facts. The fact that he's lied before does not mean he's lying this time, especially when there is nothing to suggest his statement is a lie.

I'm not sure the mod needed to step in here, but it's twisted logic. Clinton's statement doesn't stand alone, the facts seem to back it up. Attempting to cast doubt on this by calling him a liar is silly.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: mylok
but but but Clinton lied about having SEX... you right wing nut jobs are priceless. how about you post proof Clinton ordered wiretaps without warrants? links? time to put up or shut up.

Clinton lied about a lot of things. Not just sex. (Although I'm not sure why the subject matters more than the act itself...)

As for seeking "proof" that Clinton ordered wrrantless wiretaps... Nobody is really picking on him for that here. My comments were primarily directed at his deinal of having done so and the weight (or lack thereof) such a statement carries with his past history of being loose with the facts.

Everytime he opens his mouth these days I find myself going... O RLY?

Maybe...but it's also a rather convenient (if logically twisted) way of arguing that Bush isn't alone in potentially violating US wiretap laws.

Clinton has been accused of using warrentless wiretaps just like Bush, Clinton responds that he didn't, Clinton has lied previously, so Clinton could be lying about this, so Clinton COULD have used warrentless wiretaps.

Perhaps I'm reading too much into the various comments in this thread, but I think at least some people are guilty of this kind of thinking.

 

[slyedog]

so without discussion or investigation, you beleive him when he says he didnot use warrentless wiretaps.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: mylok
but but but Clinton lied about having SEX... you right wing nut jobs are priceless. how about you post proof Clinton ordered wiretaps without warrants? links? time to put up or shut up.

Clinton lied about a lot of things. Not just sex. (Although I'm not sure why the subject matters more than the act itself...)

As for seeking "proof" that Clinton ordered wrrantless wiretaps... Nobody is really picking on him for that here. My comments were primarily directed at his deinal of having done so and the weight (or lack thereof) such a statement carries with his past history of being loose with the facts.

Everytime he opens his mouth these days I find myself going... O RLY?

Maybe...but it's also a rather convenient (if logically twisted) way of arguing that Bush isn't alone in potentially violating US wiretap laws.

Clinton has been accused of using warrentless wiretaps just like Bush, Clinton responds that he didn't, Clinton has lied previously, so Clinton could be lying about this, so Clinton COULD have used warrentless wiretaps.

Perhaps I'm reading too much into the various comments in this thread, but I think at least some people are guilty of this kind of thinking.

I think you're absolutely right in your thinking that by saying "Yeah, well he did it too" is not a proper defense for what may be found to be an illegal action on the part of Bush.

Some people probably are guilty of this line of thinking. Certaily Rush/Hannity et al are taking this approach... probably in an effort to make the cries from the left sound hypocritical. (Ignore the facts and try to win the PR battle) I'm not one of them. But all the same... when Bubba speaks, I'm not just going to blindly accept what he says as the truth.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: slyedog
so without discussion or investigation, you beleive him when he says he didnot use warrentless wiretaps.

I believe him because his statement matches up with the conclusion I've already come to. Totally ignoring Clinton's comment for a second, the total lack of evidence suggests nothing happened. Of course an investigation would tell us with more certainty, but it seems like if he was doing something, it would have come out before now.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: mylok
but but but Clinton lied about having SEX... you right wing nut jobs are priceless. how about you post proof Clinton ordered wiretaps without warrants? links? time to put up or shut up.

Clinton lied about a lot of things. Not just sex. (Although I'm not sure why the subject matters more than the act itself...)

As for seeking "proof" that Clinton ordered wrrantless wiretaps... Nobody is really picking on him for that here. My comments were primarily directed at his deinal of having done so and the weight (or lack thereof) such a statement carries with his past history of being loose with the facts.

Everytime he opens his mouth these days I find myself going... O RLY?

Maybe...but it's also a rather convenient (if logically twisted) way of arguing that Bush isn't alone in potentially violating US wiretap laws.

Clinton has been accused of using warrentless wiretaps just like Bush, Clinton responds that he didn't, Clinton has lied previously, so Clinton could be lying about this, so Clinton COULD have used warrentless wiretaps.

Perhaps I'm reading too much into the various comments in this thread, but I think at least some people are guilty of this kind of thinking.

I think you're absolutely right in your thinking that by saying "Yeah, well he did it too" is not a proper defense for what may be found to be an illegal action on the part of Bush.

Some people probably are guilty of this line of thinking. Certaily Rush/Hannity et al are taking this approach... probably in an effort to make the cries from the left sound hypocritical. (Ignore the facts and try to win the PR battle) I'm not one of them. But all the same... when Bubba speaks, I'm not just going to blindly accept what he says as the truth.

Fair enough, I tend to agree with you on Clinton's truthfulness issues. If this was just a matter of his word, I'd be suspicious as well. But I'm basing my opinion of the situation on a lot more than his word.

 

[BBond]

Clinton said the only time he used warrantless wiretaps was if time constraints forced him to wiretap prior to obtaining warrants and even then in such cases he followed the law and got his warrants within 72 hours.

Clinton said this knowing full well his statements had to be verifiable because there are records of his wiretaps with the FISA courts and if he was lying he could easily be found out -- unlike Bush who lies so often he doesn't even realize he's lying anymore. Bush actually came out publicly and admitted he was conducting illegal surveillance.

What a moron.

I realize Bush is impossible to defend but you people should recognize the purpose of Clinton's statement instead of making the same old schoolyard attacks. Clinton's statement that he never used illegal wiretaps is just more proof that Bush is a liar. After The Fool admitted publicly that he conducted illegal spying on American citizens he and his minions went into full defense mode which means they immediately started blaming Clinton for doing what Bush did! Clinton is putting The Fool on notice that he isn't Bush's scapegoat and he can prove he didn't conduct illegal spying as The Fool did.

As for Clinton failing the country, I'd like to point out that when Clinton took office he faced a recession left over from the Reagan/Bush years and a then record deficit. By the time Clinton's second term was over the budget was balanced and there was actually a surplus -- which Bush immediately turned back into another record deficit. The Republicans hounded Clinton for eight years and all they could come up with was consensual sex between two adults. Now you Republicans, whose chosen leader has brought this nation down a path of economic and moral destruction, somehow have turned that into eight years of failure.

I rememer the Clinton years very well. They were prosperous years with low crime and good jobs for anyone who wanted to work -- HE EVEN PUSHED THROUGH WELFARE REFORM FOR YOU PEOPLE AND YOU STILL REFUSE TO EVEN GIVE HIM CREDIT FOR THAT!

Speaking of defending someone like they're your first born, looking back at the Clinton years in comparison with the Bush years, how the hell can you people who criticize Clinton explain your blind defense of Bush? Anyone who claims, after all the lies and corruption of the last five years, that things are better needs their head examined.

 

[mylok]

you know what amazes me is the right defending the wiretaps of Bush. Do they think the right will be in power forever? How will they feel when a Dem has the same power to abuse? Something tells me they will not be happy when that happens.

 

[imported_Condor]

Reading Bbond and Conjur is like watching a sixties movie time after time! Yawn!

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Condor
Reading Bbond and Conjur is like watching a sixties movie time after time! Yawn!

Another useless post from another useless troll.

Thanks for nothing.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: mylok
you know what amazes me is the right defending the wiretaps of Bush. Do they think the right will be in power forever? How will they feel when a Dem has the same power to abuse? Something tells me they will not be happy when that happens.

They'll just do what they always do, change the rules -- like they tried to do to save DeLay's corrupt a$$.

 

[GroundedSailor]

Originally posted by: BBond
As for Clinton failing the country, I'd like to point out that when Clinton took office he faced a recession left over from the Reagan/Bush years and a then record deficit. By the time Clinton's second term was over the budget was balanced and there was actually a surplus -- which Bush immediately turned back into another record deficit. The Republicans hounded Clinton for eight years and all they could come up with was consensual sex between two adults. Now you Republicans, whose chosen leader has brought this nation down a path of economic and moral destruction, somehow have turned that into eight years of failure.

I rememer the Clinton years very well. They were prosperous years with low crime and good jobs for anyone who wanted to work -- HE EVEN PUSHED THROUGH WELFARE REFORM FOR YOU PEOPLE AND YOU STILL REFUSE TO EVEN GIVE HIM CREDIT FOR THAT!

Speaking of defending someone like they're your first born, looking back at the Clinton years in comparison with the Bush years, how the hell can you people who criticize Clinton explain your blind defense of Bush? Anyone who claims, after all the lies and corruption of the last five years, that things are better needs their head examined.

100 good things are forgotten in favor of 1 bad. Its a sad facet of human nature. Clinton was a good administrator who worked by consensus. The missing link is a puppet of the 'my way or the highway' people.


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When I say bad I don't mean to come across as a puritan. I couldn't care less about someone else's sex life. Heck he's not the first Prez to have had an affair or have another vice. But when you are living a high profile life in public it seems to me the prudent thing would be to hold yourself to a very high standard.

 

[Jhhnn]

From slyedog-

" so without discussion or investigation, you beleive him when he says he didnot use warrentless wiretaps."

So without evidence or testimony, you accuse him of doing so? Or are you just parroting Hannity, Rush, Coulter and O'Reilly?

Accusations are cheap, a dime a dozen. How about some actual evidence in support of the usual "But Clinton!" claptrap?

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: BBond
Bush actually came out publicly and admitted he was conducting illegal surveillance.

Man you live in a delusional world.

Bush never admitted anything of the sort, and none of this conduct has been ruled illegal. Try sticking to reality Bond.

What a moron.

The irony :laugh: :laugh:

I realize Bush is impossible to defend but you people should recognize the purpose of Clinton's statement instead of making the same old schoolyard attacks. Clinton's statement that he never used illegal wiretaps is just more proof that Bush is a liar. After The Fool admitted publicly that he conducted illegal spying on American citizens he and his minions went into full defense mode which means they immediately started blaming Clinton for doing what Bush did! Clinton is putting The Fool on notice that he isn't Bush's scapegoat and he can prove he didn't conduct illegal spying as The Fool did.

So we ought to take Slick's words at face value ... as he has such a habit of telling the truth...

Your insatiable desire to defend Clinton continues to amaze me.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: BBond
Bush actually came out publicly and admitted he was conducting illegal surveillance.

Man you live in a delusional world.

Bush never admitted anything of the sort, and none of this conduct has been ruled illegal. Try sticking to reality Bond.

What a moron.

The irony :laugh: :laugh:

I realize Bush is impossible to defend but you people should recognize the purpose of Clinton's statement instead of making the same old schoolyard attacks. Clinton's statement that he never used illegal wiretaps is just more proof that Bush is a liar. After The Fool admitted publicly that he conducted illegal spying on American citizens he and his minions went into full defense mode which means they immediately started blaming Clinton for doing what Bush did! Clinton is putting The Fool on notice that he isn't Bush's scapegoat and he can prove he didn't conduct illegal spying as The Fool did.

So we ought to take Slick's words at face value ... as he has such a habit of telling the truth...

Your insatiable desire to defend Clinton continues to amaze me.

And your insatiable desire to attack him offends me.

Bush admitted in a news conference that he OK'ed NSA spying on U.S. citizens without taking care of the minor formality of getting warrants. I read the news the next day. People were asking if Bush had just admitted to an impeachable offense. I say he did. You of course, being the consumate Bush defender, say he didn't. With people like Alito on the SC we can be sure Bush will never have to worry about justice prevailing.

You constantly refer to Clinton in deragotary terms yet you and your ilk constantly complain about "Bush haters" any time someone dares to speak the truth about the disgrace you support in the White House. Does this make you a "Clinton hater"?

As I said earlier, Clinton isn't stupid. He knows that his statement can easily be verified. Especially with the likes of Rove in the White House. Clinton knows he never wiretapped without a warrant and he is saying so because he knows he is telling the truth and he's probably fed up with people like you and Bush using him as an excuse for Bush's illegal activities with your pathetic "Clinton did it too" nonsense.