Clinton "Scandals" vs. Trump "Scandals"

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OrByte

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I'm not entirely sure that Clinton is as bad as they say she is.

Emails - big deal
Benghazi - ummmm wut?
All the other stuff the GOP have been trying to get her and her husband on.... meh.
Clinton Foundation - trumped up BS.
Her Character - she is an old white lady, just how much am I expected to have 'in common' with her?

From what I see, and from what millions of others see, it's all just trumped up BS.

Now Trump on the other hand. Simply put, he is a hot head. And he enjoys putting other people down. He has poor character, what more do I need to know about him? I don't want someone like him representing my country. period.

Clinton, she is a politician, she has probably done more good than bad (net positive) in her career, and she knows what working for the public is like.

Trump - he does not know what it is like to be a public servant, in fact, I'm sure he goes into this thinking the public ultimately serves him.
 

ivwshane

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May 15, 2000
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I will make sure not to make the mistake of voting for him a third time. Thanks!!!

Of course you are assuming I voted for him at all.

I just assumed you are an idiot and you have a habit of voting for unqualified presidential candidates because you vote based on your feeling of who you'd rather have a beer with.

Recognizing your mistakes is something I doubt you are familiar with.
 
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Starbuck1975

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I just assumed you are an idiot and you have a habit of voting for unqualified presidential candidates because you vote based on your feeling of who you'd rather have a bear with.

Recognizing your mistakes is something I doubt you are familiar with.
I would love to have a bear!!!
 

glenn1

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Its not my fault you don't know the complete definition of words.

No, I just don't make up my own definition for them or misuse them like you. He's not "morally obligated" either. Most candidates for office release their tax information for reasons of self-interest and trust building, there's no 'moral obligation' in doing so whatsoever. Trump will just need to deal with whatever negative reactions or unflattering assumptions people will make after not releasing and accept that he might lose some votes.
 

BAMAVOO

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I'm not entirely sure that Clinton is as bad as they say she is.

Emails - big deal
Benghazi - ummmm wut?
All the other stuff the GOP have been trying to get her and her husband on.... meh.
Clinton Foundation - trumped up BS.
Her Character - she is an old white lady, just how much am I expected to have 'in common' with her?

From what I see, and from what millions of others see, it's all just trumped up BS.

Now Trump on the other hand. Simply put, he is a hot head. And he enjoys putting other people down. He has poor character, what more do I need to know about him? I don't want someone like him representing my country. period.

Clinton, she is a politician, she has probably done more good than bad (net positive) in her career, and she knows what working for the public is like.

Trump - he does not know what it is like to be a public servant, in fact, I'm sure he goes into this thinking the public ultimately serves him.




Can I share this with True Americans so we can all get a good laugh?
 

ivwshane

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No, I just don't make up my own definition for them or misuse them like you. He's not "morally obligated" either. Most candidates for office release their tax information for reasons of self-interest and trust building, there's no 'moral obligation' in doing so whatsoever. Trump will just need to deal with whatever negative reactions or unflattering assumptions people will make after not releasing and accept that he might lose some votes.


verb (used with object), obligated, obligating.
1.
to bind or oblige morally or legally:
to obligate oneself to purchase a building.

2.
to pledge, commit, or bind (funds, property, etc.) to meet an obligation.


Are you done buckshatting now?
 

ivwshane

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Okay, let me use small words for you. Why do you think Trump has a moral obligation to release his tax returns?

Because it's the right thing to do. All presidential candidates do it for the sake of transparency. The American people should be able to know that their presidents policies don't have an ulterior motive such as benefiting the president directly. In this particular case since trump hasn't held public office, his tax returns can be used to verify claims he has made in public. Again more transparency, you know, the shit the right has been harping on Hillary for for years now.
 

agent00f

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It's more the irony that our first female President got there riding the coat tails of a man who represents the worst aspects of the patriarchy, a womanizer, adulterer and depending on who you ask, also a sexual predator.

I am totally cool with a President Warren. The Democrats have such a deep bench of qualified women, and yet they managed to nominate the most divisive.

Yeah I'm sure the kind of people to vote for trump are going to vote for Warren instead.

Yea, now they a got a candidate that is about as far right on foreign policy as GW Bush and who will sign TFF. TFF which will utterly destroy the ability of the elderly and those on fixed incomes to pay for their prescription medicine. TFF which will extend the lifetime of drug patents INTO THE DECADES. I would love to see drug research federalized.


The only real risk I see with Trump is a civilization ending nuclear inferno and the chances of that happening are probably less than 10%. That.... and the rest of the world laughing their asses off at us.

Two court appointments by wildcard over here seems like a risk. In fact potentially anything done by wildcard seem a risk.
 

Jhhnn

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I return to the last sentence of my post. Any speculation about what Gore would have done or not done is a counterfactual argument. All we know is that he didn't definitively say we should invade Iraq and likewise didn't definitively say we should not invade Iraq. You can add all the qualifiers you want but they still don't rule out either course of action. And even if he had used definitive words he still might have taken the opposite action anyway, remember Bush and "read my lips, no new taxes."

And now let's get the thread back on topic and return to the argument at hand.

The functional difference between "we shouldn't invade Iraq" & "We shouldn't invade Iraq until all these impossible qualifiers are met" is zero.

The functional difference between Clinton Scandals & Trump scandals is that the former are mostly make believe & the latter are all too real.
 

glenn1

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Because it's the right thing to do. All presidential candidates do it for the sake of transparency. The American people should be able to know that their presidents policies don't have an ulterior motive such as benefiting the president directly. In this particular case since trump hasn't held public office, his tax returns can be used to verify claims he has made in public. Again more transparency, you know, the shit the right has been harping on Hillary for for years now.

Okay I think we're making progress. So to you "it's the right thing to do" is synonymous with "obligatory." Let's try it a different way - what's the penalty for not doing this "obligatory" thing?
 

ivwshane

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Okay I think we're making progress. So to you "it's the right thing to do" is synonymous with "obligatory." Let's try it a different way - what's the penalty for not doing this "obligatory" thing?

Sorry, I'll not be engaging in your buckshatting any more. If a dictionary definition of what the word obligated means, isn't enough to help you then nothing will be.

I'm obligated by my principals to not feed a troll.
 

dainthomas

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Sorry, I'll not be engaging in your buckshatting any more. If a dictionary definition of what the word obligated means, isn't enough to help you then nothing will be.

I'm obligated by my principals to not feed a troll.

But what's the penalty for not feeding the troll? ;-)
 

UglyCasanova

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Because it's the right thing to do. All presidential candidates do it for the sake of transparency. The American people should be able to know that their presidents policies don't have an ulterior motive such as benefiting the president directly. In this particular case since trump hasn't held public office, his tax returns can be used to verify claims he has made in public. Again more transparency, you know, the shit the right has been harping on Hillary for for years now.

Does Hillary have the moral obligation to release the transcripts of the Goldman Sach's speeches she was paid handsomely for? Her policies regarding the financial industry might be impacted by her relationship with them, is it the right thing to do for her to disclose that for the sake of transparency?
 

dainthomas

Lifer
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Does Hillary have the moral obligation to release the transcripts of the Goldman Sach's speeches she was paid handsomely for? Her policies regarding the financial industry might be impacted by her relationship with them, is it the right thing to do for her to disclose that for the sake of transparency?

As someone who is always saying how corrupt Clinton is, shouldn't Trump at least make an effort to appear better than her?
 

glenn1

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Sorry, I'll not be engaging in your buckshatting any more. If a dictionary definition of what the word obligated means, isn't enough to help you then nothing will be.

I'm obligated by my principals to not feed a troll.

Sure thing.

 

HamburgerBoy

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Pretty sure she lost last time. Let's put this in perspective. Said half of the country is willing to vote for a white nationalist candidate to spite a centrist, so frankly it's not as if it even matters unless you believe the democrats are going to put up a right winger of their own.

She lost by a little, against Obama who was much better at exciting the masses and getting people to turn out.

Nearly every president that has ever served is understood to have wanted to have been president at some point in their lives. They've never been criticized for having such ambition--in fact, it's a strong virtue.

But not Hillary: she's a narcissist illegitimately clinging to this "birthright" dream of hers that she deserves to be president.

It's not even that much about Clinton herself. Most politicians are going to be narcissists, that's fine. The point is that she was the obvious establishment candidate in 2008, iirc she initially received many more campaign contributions than Obama did, but lost anyways. Now 2016 comes around and it's her turn. She has DWS to keep things simple in the primary process, millions upon millions coming to her through big league donors, and WOW SHOCKING, turnout is weaker and people are less excited. I mean, I even get it, the common voter is a moron. I trust Wall Street to have better judgment than I do BLM members or Berniebro undergraduates, and I'm not a believer that democracy is an inherent good. Just don't act surprised when people choose not to participate and support your uninspiring candidate when they have little say in it.
 

ivwshane

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Does Hillary have the moral obligation to release the transcripts of the Goldman Sach's speeches she was paid handsomely for? Her policies regarding the financial industry might be impacted by her relationship with them, is it the right thing to do for her to disclose that for the sake of transparency?

I don't think she has a moral obligation to do so but it certainly can be argued that she does. Who else has released their transcripts to private events they've given speeches to? No one? Then it sounds like we have one set of moral standards for one candidate than we have for another, or have you been calling for trump to also release the transcripts to the speeches he has given?
 
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UglyCasanova

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I don't think she has a moral obligation to do so but it certainly can be argued that she does. Who else has released their transcripts to private events they've given speeches to? No one? Then it sounds like we have one set of moral standards for one candidate then we have for another, or have you been calling for trump to also release the transcripts to the speeches he has given?

If he's given any that are relevant to governing the country (lest we forget bank regulation was one of her talking points this debate) then I'm all for it, hold his feet to the fire too. Private event she's given a speech at is generously glossing it over. Over future president was paid several times the annual income for most family's for giving a 20 minute speech to the very people she is saying need regulating, I'd be curious what she had to say.
 
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