Clinton "Scandals" vs. Trump "Scandals"

[glenn1]

That is in essence false equivalency.

I don't think you know what the term "false equivalency" means then. If something or someone can't meet my minimum requirements then it's not really relevant how much less of the requirements one of them meets. You're the one trying to create an actual false equivalency by conflating "acceptable candidates" and "electable candidates." Just because you're falsely trying to turn this election into a binary choice doesn't mean it is. Gary Johnson is better option than either Trump or Clinton. I disagree almost 100% with everything she stands for but Jill Stein is a better option than Trump or Clinton. There is no argument, poll, endorsement, or anything else you could say or do that would lead me to vote for either Clinton or Trump and there's millions just like me. If that means that your preferred candidate loses then tough shit, next time select an acceptable candidate.

 

[nakedfrog]

Thanks! At least someone in this thread has shown clear evidence that they actually listened to the segment . . . which I do believe everyone should. Now, what you do with the rigorous investigatory proof that this "both are equally bad" meme is horrendous BS is, I guess, up to you.

But, for me, it's analogous to my house being on fire. Do I do nothing against the orange arsonist who would otherwise burn the whole damn neighborhood down? Do I forego calling the fire company because I have some misgivings about how the Fire Chief handled the charity spaghetti dinner?

No. I do not. I see what needs to be done, and Hillary Clinton is the sole high pressure pumper of sanity. I'm not wasting my vote on any toy water pistol candidate of "ideological purity."

If your actions in any way contribute to Trump being elected President, you are a God Damned Fucking fool, no matter how "elevated" you hold your motives to be.

I watched it on Monday night. My point stands, me voting for Clinton accomplishes exactly nothing.

 

[Azuma Hazuki]

@squarecut1

Perknose said everything I was going to say and with less swearing. Read it (use your finger for the longer words and sound them out if you have to...we'll wait...).

 

[glenn1]

I watched it on Monday night. My point stands, me voting for Clinton accomplishes exactly nothing.

It seems to truly astound, confuse, and anger them that "you're wasting your vote" and "Candidate X is obviously worse than Candidate Y" aren't working on people like you, me, and millions more.

 

[Kazukian]

Oliver glossed over quite a few of the Clinton scandals, the thing is, so many of them were literally nothing, but the way she/they always circle the wagons and go dark just makes it worse. A little transparency on her part would go a long way.

Good piece by Oliver, I liked the raisin analogy

 

[zinfamous]

I'm honestly back to 50/50 with now voting for Clinton over Johnson, after that latest display.

I'm in a 99.8% state for Clinton, so I've long thought that adding a tick for Johnson is better in the long run while Hilary safely claims our electoral votes. But the display that Orange Mussolini but on the other night, I really feel that an epic beatdown is in order. Yeah, it would be a vindictive vote, but that tiny-handed sociopath needs to be put in his place and those that are deluded enough to support him need to be shown, without question, that this country does not support their nonsense.

 

[Homerboy]

Yeap. Oliver's show is just wonderful. This piece however was above his already high bar. I was sort of impressed too how he did take Clinton to the shed attempting to show some unbiased journalism (lets be honest, he's EXTREMELY anti-Trump is going to bury him deeper than anyone). Great piece.

However, I do love oatmeal raisin cookies

 

[emperus]

I don't think you know what the term "false equivalency" means then. If something or someone can't meet my minimum requirements then it's not really relevant how much less of the requirements one of them meets. You're the one trying to create an actual false equivalency by conflating "acceptable candidates" and "electable candidates." Just because you're falsely trying to turn this election into a binary choice doesn't mean it is. Gary Johnson is better option than either Trump or Clinton. I disagree almost 100% with everything she stands for but Jill Stein is a better option than Trump or Clinton. There is no argument, poll, endorsement, or anything else you could say or do that would lead me to vote for either Clinton or Trump and there's millions just like me. If that means that your preferred candidate loses then tough shit, next time select an acceptable candidate.

Just to ask a stark question to see where you stand, if it were Hitler vs. Clinton, would you still vote 3rd party if that vote had a chance of electing Hitler?

 

[nakedfrog]

However, I do love oatmeal raisin cookies

...the hell is wrong with you?!?

 

[Smoblikat]

Without letting Hillary off the hook one bit, John Oliver takes an in-depth look at this false equivalency. That pasty, ferret-faced Brit is doing some of the most focused and brilliantly accessible investigatory journalism on TV.

Anyone who (still) thinks "both candidates are equally bad, I'ma vote for Jill Stein" or some such owes it to themselves and to the Republic to put aside 21 minutes from their busy and important lives and JUST LISTEN, with an open mind.

Hillary Clinton is a flawed human being with a penchant for secrecy, unconscionably slow to own up to her mistakes, but Donald Trump is an deeply ignorant and avaricious narcissist with no moral compass, a clear and present danger to our country should we collectively let our anger with the "establishment" lead us from the frying pan into that hideously orange dumpster fire by not doing everything each and every one of us can to prevent him from becoming our President.

You REALLY hate Trump, dont you? More than the average person id say. Anybody that favors a third party candidate over the 2 forced candidates has probobly taken into consideration everything they need to know about trump/clinton, and has come to their conclusions based on several facts. Like the fact that Hillary is a lying sack of **** who outwardly appears to be a shell of a human.

 

[glenn1]

Just to ask a stark question to see where you stand, if it were Hitler vs. Clinton, would you still vote 3rd party if that vote had a chance of electing Hitler?

For people who continually decry false equivalence you sure love creating them. And do you really think "Hillary is better than Hitler" is going to change the mind of someone saying they would never vote for her?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

You REALLY hate Trump, dont you? More than the average person id say. Anybody that favors a third party candidate over the 2 forced candidates has probobly taken into consideration everything they need to know about trump/clinton, and has come to their conclusions based on several facts. Like the fact that Hillary is a lying sack of **** who outwardly appears to be a shell of a human.

good to see you keep your feelings about hillary so close to the vest.

 

[Jhhnn]

What competence has she shown? Supporting a disastrous war in Iraq, the price of which is still being paid by millions of innocent souls. Not the Clinton clan of course, raking it in with their "speeches", the 650 K starting job for Chelsea, Bill continuing his philandering, and so on.

Or Libya an example of her competence?

Or being an utterly unprincipled pawn for the powers that be?

What competence? She thrashed Trump's raving idiocy rather convincingly Monday night.

Or do you live in some bizarro world where that isn't true?

 

[squarecut1]

What competence? She thrashed Trump's raving idiocy rather convincingly Monday night.

Or do you live in some bizarro world where that isn't true?

So you mean thrashing a certified idiot in a staged debate (where they know everything in advance of what is going to be asked) is a standard for competence. The question is, what competence or judgement she has shown in her political career, except being very good at achieving her never ending ambitions.

 

[squarecut1]

Two nieces supported Bernie. One nephew supported Kasich. All three of them are hundred percent that they will not be voting for either Hillary or Trump - two being in closely contested swing states. That I think is more common among the young people - who can see the charade more clearly. I think a lot of them will either be voting 3rd party or not voting at all.

 

[openwheel]

equating Hillary as bad as Trump is false equivalency. Just another way for the die-hard right wingers to stop people from getting to know Hillary.

 

[dainthomas]

Someone who has decided to vote for Stein or whoever doesn't "owe themselves" sh!t to compare Trump and Clinton, that they're voting someone other than Trump/Clinton is ALREADY evidence they have an open mind. That's simply someone who is a partisan for one of them attempting to perpetuate the "worse of two evils" narrative. How about treating your fellow voters with the respect they deserve to make up their own damn minds. Stein and Johnson ARE better candidates than Clinton or Trump and deserve votes.

Voting for Random Minor Party Candidate Number 12 is doing zip to change the system. If it's giving you a warm fuzzy or a sense of accomplishment, then that's fine, but that's all it's doing.

Work to change the system in the long-term, but don't throw away the short-term.

 

[Homerboy]

So you mean thrashing a certified idiot in a staged debate (where they know everything in advance of what is going to be asked) is a standard for competence. The question is, what competence or judgement she has shown in her political career, except being very good at achieving her never ending ambitions.

They know in advance?

 

[nakedfrog]

Two nieces supported Bernie. One nephew supported Kasich. All three of them are hundred percent that they will not be voting for either Hillary or Trump - two being in closely contested swing states. That I think is more common among the young people - who can see the charade more clearly. I think a lot of them will either be voting 3rd party or not voting at all.

Or they just haven't had the youthful optimism crushed out of them yet.

 

[Brainonska511]

Two nieces supported Bernie. One nephew supported Kasich. All three of them are hundred percent that they will not be voting for either Hillary or Trump - two being in closely contested swing states. That I think is more common among the young people - who can see the charade more clearly. I think a lot of them will either be voting 3rd party or not voting at all.

Kinda dumb if you ask me. Only Trump or Clinton is going to be president. Might as well pick the one closer to representing your interests instead of throwing it away on a third party (plus, Johnson and Stein are both loons for different reasons).

 

[squarecut1]

Or they just haven't had the youthful optimism crushed out of them yet.

Yes I suppose that is one way to put it. But especially in this election, the two choices are so utterly distasteful that it isn't necessarily the idealism of youth that repels them from the stink of Hillary and Trump.

 

[Cozarkian]

I'm honestly back to 50/50 with now voting for Clinton over Johnson, after that latest display.

I'm in a 99.8% state for Clinton, so I've long thought that adding a tick for Johnson is better in the long run while Hilary safely claims our electoral votes. But the display that Orange Mussolini but on the other night, I really feel that an epic beatdown is in order. Yeah, it would be a vindictive vote, but that tiny-handed sociopath needs to be put in his place and those that are deluded enough to support him need to be shown, without question, that this country does not support their nonsense.

What is a better beat down, Trump loses to Hillary by a few more points, or Trump loses to the combined total of the third party candidates?

 

[Cozarkian]

Just to ask a stark question to see where you stand, if it were Hitler vs. Clinton, would you still vote 3rd party if that vote had a chance of electing Hitler?

If it were Hitler v. The Anti-Christ would you still refuse to vote 3rd party?

 

[Jhhnn]

So you mean thrashing a certified idiot in a staged debate (where they know everything in advance of what is going to be asked) is a standard for competence. The question is, what competence or judgement she has shown in her political career, except being very good at achieving her never ending ambitions.

Bullshit-

http://www.snopes.com/clinton-received-debate-questions-week-before-debate/

There's a binary choice- either Clinton or the certified idiot you mentioned will be the next president despite all the going on about third party hogwash.

Quit whining about the choices & pick one, either somebody who's worked hard to be ready for the job or raving know-nothing vulgarian.

 

[squarecut1]

There appears to be this sense of entitlement, especially on the left. As if whatever piece of garbage they put out, people should just vote for it ...because look....the ugly right wing! Obama coming out and saying to black people that he would be "personally insulted" if blacks didn't come out and voted in large numbers for Hillary. That is some sense of entitlement. It was condemned by some old time black leaders as well.