Cloaked object videoed AND exposed

[SOFTengCOMPelec]

I use a control file to tell my software where to start and stop!!!

http://www.telusplanet.net/public/stonedan/cloak_sequential_mix.txt

I plan on making it an option whereby I just tell it where to start / stop the fast forward along with the other details needed. But for now this works fine.

An option for FastForward and Reverse creates the text above for the complete file and I just use what I need. Ie the 60 to 82 seconds

Being able to fast forward though video is more valuable than I initially realized.

Thanks for the reply.

The thing is, that fast forward/rewind mechanisms(VCRs)/techniques(hardware/software) 'CAN' change/affect the resulting images. E.g. Causing disturbances/changes which can look odd/strange/unusual/weird.
So if everything looks fine and dandy, at "normal" playback speed, and then there seems to be strange goings on "***ONLY***" during fast forward/rewind, then the problem could simply be that the speed up mechanism, is causing the visual disturbances.

If you are using your own software (especially if it is NOT available to other people), and especially if you have NOT made it open source.
Then other people, can't test it for you and/or comment on any weaknesses, it may have.

I.e. It is not reproducible/testable (by others).

My suspicions would be that either your software is creating the effects and/or natural changes (such as movements, insects/birds moving about) and other normal stuff is almost certainly what is happening.

Also individuals vary in their perception of natural variations, so some people may be over sensitive to very slight (natural) phenomenon, and hence seeing stuff/patterns/changes which are not really happening.

I.e. They just look a bit funny because it has been speeded up and/or the quality of the playback software, is not as good as if a large team of software/hardware experts, designed the fast forward/rewind playback mechanism (e.g. software video player).

One option is to use at least two (or more) completely different mechanisms (e.g. software packages), to perform the fast forward/reverse playback. This then reduces the risk that the specific "mechanism"/algorithm creating the fast forward/rewind playback, is NOT introducing the "funny" disturbances, that some people, think they can see.

 

[Ruptga]

Also individuals vary in their perception of natural variations, so some people may be over sensitive to very slight (natural) phenomenon, and hence seeing stuff/patterns/changes which are not really happening.

In other words, crazy people. OP is such a person, which is why nobody has been able to talk sense to him about this in the decades that he has been carrying on this same schtick. Nothing anyone says ever matters because he already knows the truthiest truth, the one he sees. It involves aliens with advanced cloaking technology that can be defeated by camcorders, antiquated computer programs, and the many many people around him too dull to recognize the truth of both those things, but he will persevere. He must persevere, because his is one of the few enlightened, a hero and messiah in his own mind.

 

[SOFTengCOMPelec]

In other words, crazy people. OP is such a person, which is why nobody has been able to talk sense to him about this in the decades that he has been carrying on this same schtick. Nothing anyone says ever matters because he already knows the truthiest truth, the one he sees. It involves aliens with advanced cloaking technology that can be defeated by camcorders, antiquated computer programs, and the many many people around him too dull to recognize the truth of both those things, but he will persevere. He must persevere, because his is one of the few enlightened, a hero and messiah in his own mind.

You could well be right, and probably are. But (despite realizing similar things, myself) I decided to have a bash at somewhat scientifically/technically countering their observations/interpretations and beliefs, in a reasonably/partially neutral/unbiased way.

Even if it does not work with the OP. Others who read/frequent this forum, may learn from our exchanges and/or at least be entertained by it.

 

[Ruptga]

You could well be right, and probably are. But (despite realizing similar things, myself) I decided to have a bash at somewhat scientifically/technically countering their observations/interpretations and beliefs, in a reasonably/partially neutral/unbiased way.

Even if it does not work with the OP. Others who read/frequent this forum, may learn from our exchanges and/or at least be entertained by it.

Well I for one had no idea FFing/reversing could cause artifacts in digital video, so you've already made some progress.

 

[SOFTengCOMPelec]

Well I for one had no idea FFing/reversing could cause artifacts in digital video, so you've already made some progress.

The old way of doing it (VCRs), was done by considerably speeding up the tape. Unfortunately, this meant that potentially a number of different individual frames, could actually be mixed together, as the video tape heads (usually 2, or 4 or more) would be picking up bits of several (or more) different frames, ALMOST at the same time, as the video heads spin around, while the tape is whizzing through.

This was known to sometimes cause "funny" things to appear. But was simply because so many different video frames (and half frames), were being shown at the same time.
Some people, might remember the horrible noise bars (usually horizontal), which would appear, especially on cheaper, lower quality video recorders (during fast forward/reverse).
These "noise bars", were actually the positions of the (interference/gaps between) individual/half frames. (There were not actual gaps as such, but phase/magnetic-polarity-or-angle changes, or similar, which caused interference, when the heads were between frames).

Presumably, modern software video players, will have to make compromises somewhere along the line, because there will be a HUGE number of full video frames to play. But only a limited (typically 25/30/60 etc) number of displayable frames (to the user(s) ), per second.

 

[Ruptga]

Yes, it's possible that there are artifacts in just a few of the videos. They are random by definition, so by definition anything is possible. You go on and keep waiting for some "techie" to tell you what you want to hear, but there is a good reason you have to cherry-pick your videos and your experts, and it's not that there's a vast conspiracy headed by the lizard people.

 

[SOFTengCOMPelec]

In other words, crazy people. OP is such a person, which is why nobody has been able to talk sense to him about this in the decades that he has been carrying on this same schtick. Nothing anyone says ever matters because he already knows the truthiest truth, the one he sees. It involves aliens with advanced cloaking technology that can be defeated by camcorders, antiquated computer programs, and the many many people around him too dull to recognize the truth of both those things, but he will persevere. He must persevere, because his is one of the few enlightened, a hero and messiah in his own mind.

You were right, apparently.

We can't fix their video playback distortion, because it would stop showing the lizard people.

Anyway, I've got to go now, I heard a tiny noise outside, so it must be that the lizard people, some aliens and batman are fighting outside again.

 

[SOFTengCOMPelec]

The forums have been attacked by aliens.

 

[Ichinisan]

The forums have been attacked by aliens.

That explains it!

 

[SOFTengCOMPelec]

That explains it!

It seems to have been fixed, now.

Or the aliens have moved off, to attack another planet.

I'll fast forward my totally bashed up, and highly distorted/snowy, 1970s camcorder, to find out. If there is any screen shake, distortion or out of focus sections, it is REALLY cloaked aliens, unmasked by technology from the 1970s!

 

[Phoenix86]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p5uDf9i_Yc

 

[Ichinisan]

Until my Swampies have 2 or more Camcorders recording these things.

Then and only then will this incredible discovery be confirmed!

Artifacts won't be on both recordings. Now will they?

Try it and let us know.

 

[CZroe]

Got another!

This one zips across the ripple face in a way that defies known fluid dynamics. Looks almost like it is at play.

http://www.archive.org/details/Drone-or-UFO-18Jul2010

If it was in a hurry how fast would it be going?

Yes, I know I need to see a doctor. Two, actually.

 

[SOFTengCOMPelec]

Until my Swampies have 2 or more Camcorders recording these things.

Then and only then will this incredible discovery be confirmed!

Artifacts won't be on both recordings. Now will they?

Or better still, how about 0 camcorders.

Move on with your life, and stop looking for things, which most/all other people, think/know are not there.

You only live once (supposedly). Find other things to do, rather than potentially waste it on examining what are probably just distortions/limitations, of older video recording stuff.

 

[Phoenix86]

Or better still, how about 0 camcorders.

Move on with your life, and stop looking for things, which most/all other people, think/know are not there.

You only live once (supposedly). Find other things to do, rather than potentially waste it on examining what are probably just distortions/limitations, of older video recording stuff.

I posted a 1080p video. Look at the :08 mark and you can see 1 or 2. Then again at the :39 mark.

 

[SOFTengCOMPelec]

I posted a 1080p video. Look at the :08 mark and you can see 1 or 2. Then again at the :39 mark.

Yes, I can see what looks like bird(s), (possibly scared by the noisy Quad thing), fairly rapidly flying past the camera.

Pity it was not a super high frame rate camera with super high resolution, then it would be even clearer. Higher frame rate (x10+ faster) and super high resolution, may either not be technically viable or way too expensive, at the moment, for most people.

 

[John Connor]

 

[SOFTengCOMPelec]

You can get away without a camcorder if you keep your mind and eyes open!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKMTSDzU1Z4

Tobacco leaf flyer types are seen in this video shot 30 minutes before 2008 Sichuan earthquake. Check out all phenomena video for extremely fast moving objects. They are where the action is.

There was a video that I (re-saw) fairly recently, which seems to explains what I saw.

The thing is, that video tape, is NOT really one item. The tape is really a plastic carrier, with an adhesive (glue) very thinly applied to it, which is then used to pickup, particles of Iron Oxide (or a functional similar chemical).

I.e. It is a bit like using Sellotape/Scotch tape, to pick up some rust powder.

But the thing is (especially with cheap, poor quality tapes and/or well used tapes) that these oxide particles, have a tendency to flake/fall off. This can cause tiny little specks to appear on the video play back image.

That (and other defects, of video tape recorder systems), is what I think I was seeing.

Rather than a (highly unlikely) explanation, involving tiny alien space beings/craft, materializing/teleporting just before a major catastrophe.

I'm quite happy, to carry on, with my existing belief systems, which think that it was just a "normal video".

EDIT:
This video explains about how tape is made, as part of the programme.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOULWR4h4Io

This is the exact time, where they explain about how tapes are made, by demonstrating it.

 

[SOFTengCOMPelec]

You can get away without a camcorder if you keep your mind and eyes open!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKMTSDzU1Z4

Tobacco leaf flyer types are seen in this video shot 30 minutes before 2008 Sichuan earthquake. Check out all phenomena video for extremely fast moving objects. They are where the action is.

Somehow, just me watching that video, has made google (youtube), specially recommend an alien documentary. Which I'm kind off refusing to watch, out of principle and lack of interest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cN6E1j14ZUU

 

[Phoenix86]

Yes, I can see what looks like bird(s), (possibly scared by the noisy Quad thing), fairly rapidly flying past the camera.

Pity it was not a super high frame rate camera with super high resolution, then it would be even clearer. Higher frame rate (x10+ faster) and super high resolution, may either not be technically viable or way too expensive, at the moment, for most people.

It's HD bugs man, this is what a higher quality camera shows and why all these videos are from 90-early 2000s tech. Slightly higher frame rate and we could tell the species.

 

[SOFTengCOMPelec]

It's HD bugs man, this is what a higher quality camera shows and why all these videos are from 90-early 2000s tech. Slightly higher frame rate and we could tell the species.

When I look at it (frame by frame), it seems to be a bird(s). For example, this frame at about 8 or 9 seconds in. But I could EASILY be mistaken.

 

[Phoenix86]

Maybe I don't know, but it's all the same effect on different distances/sized objects.

 

[destrekor]

lol why are people giving this topic so much time and effort?

It's been clearly established from the very beginning that all of the "black thingies" are bugs and birds. Telephoto range compression/perspective distortion creates apparent size discrepancies, so flying objects both in the foreground and middle ground will be distorted and can be easily confused depending on the focal length and sensor size (or physical media frame size).

Objects looping from foreground to middle ground or at any range in between, especially in regards to bugs, will appear to have haphazard flight as they dart to and fro and attempt to do whatever bugs do... think of gnats, which will dart all over the place but still stay in relatively the same spot, going back and forth and to and fro and up and down, etc etc etc. When perspective distortion is applied to such a scene, basic movements can look like loops, hard immediate turns and other behavior that appears abnormal.

A basic understanding of visual sciences and the natural world (they are bugs! and birds! and other critters that also fly! OMG) completely destroys the idea of a hidden world and undocumented beings/craft in these videos.

 

[Drako]

I'm so proud of My Swampies here. Looking and looking hard at video.

If this keeps up discoveries will be made.

I think we've pretty much all discovered that you are a raving lunatic. :\

 

[DigDog]

i watched that video. it's 3 minutes of the sky.

if you see anything else in it, you need to take medications.