CM GeminII $14.99 FS

antmanbee

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Good cooler. I have 1 I am using now and just purchased 2 more.
I did have to lap the base of the cooler which involved removing the whole motherboard because the cooler is mounted before MB instalation by screws from underneath.
Just get everything right the first time.
I ordered these 120mm fans HERE for $2.80 each as I got 10.
 

superHARD

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Originally posted by: Samus
i put a 140mm yate loon on mine. lines up perfectly with the top two holes. just crack off the center support threads for the fan housing and use the included cooler master screws. as for the bottom screws, just use thin rubber feet to prevent vibration.

http://www.jab-tech.com/product.php?productid=3594

pic:

http://img406.imageshack.us/my...?image=dsc00435tp4.jpg
http://img341.imageshack.us/my...?image=dsc00433fn8.jpg

Great idea! Less dead spots, than with 2 smaller fans!
 

QuixoticOne

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Hmm looks like these don't have a motherboard back-plate for Socket 775; that's
a negative.

Also, I see that you must remove the motherboard from te case to install this
huge heatsink, and that the heatsink covers over about half of the size of the
motherboard. So how does one re-install the motherboard after the heatsink
is installed -- it seems like one might have great difficulty in accessing
around half of the nine motherboard screw-down points given the overhanging
heatsink.

My case's motherboard area is only barely the size of the motherboad, so it seems
that "coming in from the sides" isn't much of an option.
 

Zap

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Thanks OP, a great second post!

I was really tempted at $15-20 AR plus shipping the past few months. Glad I waited. I think I'll get some.
 

nycdude

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can you use the $15 rebate floating around the net on this making it free.

tempted also but that thing is huge.
 

QuixoticOne

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Originally posted by: nycdude
can you use the $15 rebate floating around the net on this making it free.

tempted also but that thing is huge.

Yes, 847 grams + 200 grams each for 2x120mm fans
and that's 1247 grams, or just short of three times
the 450g maximum recommended weight of a heatsink
for AMD or Intel CPUs.

Also it has no back-plate for Socket 775, so your
motherboard around the CPU socket will warp and
the electrical traces to the CPU could be harmed.

Furthermore, most of the weight is out at the end
of a very long 'lever arm' e.g. both the fans and
the biggest mass of the fins are way at the end.
So this lever arm will multiply the torque the
weight of it all puts on the small area of the
motherboard where it bolts on.
Besides the heavy static torque, the lever
are will also multiply the force transmitted to the
motherboard in the event the PC is moved / bumped
and the heatsink is being yanked around by the
supports. It could easily crack the motherboard.

Basically $15 seems like a fire-sale price for
a very very overly large / heavy heatsink that is
quite under-performing relative to several other
heatsinks over 25% less in weight and 50% less in
size.

It's certainly better at cooling than the Intel/AMD
retail box "stock" heatsink is going to be, but
it's going to be substantially less efficient and
effective than some of the smaller but
costlier $45 - $65 "best" heatsinks out there.

If you can make or buy a cheap Socket 775
backplate to use with this, it's probably OK to consider
but otherwise I'd only use it on S939/AM2 or
whatever platforms it includes backplates for.

If you're going to run your PC with the motherboard
flat horizontal and the heatsink just resting on top,
and will not much ever bump / move the PC, it's
probably a fine cheap upgrade vs. the retail box
HSF.

If you modify the installation to basically bolt / strap
the weight of the heatsink to be supported directly
and securely in all directions by the case and not
have it hanging down torquing the motherboard,
then it's probably fine to have a "tower" case
with the motherboard vertical using the Gemini II
since it's getting strain relief from your supporting
modifications.

Otherwise, I'd never dream of hanging this much
weight off of a vertical motherboard.

And I still have no idea how you'd actually SCREW IN
the motherboard to the case once this huge
heatsink is hanging over half the motherboard.
Seems like there would not be enough underside or
side-to-side clearance to get your hand and a
screwdriver down to the screw holes it covers over.
 

bradley

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I don't know. Wesley matched this heatsink up with several others on an Intel Core 2 Duo X6800, and it was a fairly respectable performer up to around 3.73GHz.

http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=2978&p=9

Idle @ 2.93/3.73/3.83/3.90GHz
=======================
Tuniq Tower 120______ 27/36/36/40
Thermalright Ultra 120___27/36/36/40
Cooler Master Gemini II__30/39/43/x

Idle @ 2.93/3.73/3.83/3.90GHz
=======================
Tuniq Tower 120______ 34/47/50/51
Thermalright Ultra 120___33/48/50/51
Cooler Master Gemini II__39/54/58/x

I wonder how much better thermal scaling would get after a lapping. The Tuniq definitely doesn't need it, and Thermalright's are usually pretty good. For $15 it's almost worth buying just to find out. I do worry about the size and weight, but not overly so.

By the way, the Cooler Master RR-CCH-L9U1-GP, which weights less than 500g also has a $15 rebate. You can buy it for 11.99 shipped at NewEgg.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...031&Tpk=RR-CCH-L9U1-GP
 

antmanbee

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As i mentioned in the second post of the thread, I did have to lap. it was quite concave. the cooling improved substantially after. I am using it with a S775 board and it does not seem to flex it very much. It is a pain in the a$$ to install or remove because of the screws on the bottom of the MB. Having access to screw the MB to the case was not too difficult.
Install the fans after and don't screw in the PS right away so you can slide it around to get to the screws on that side of the MB. Mount the cooler so that it covers the RAM slots.
If you drop your computer then yes it might be too much strain for the MB, but who has done that. Lap before you install. Do it right and only once and you will be pleased. Screw it up and you will hate this cooler.
 

QuixoticOne

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From the review article pictures 've seen it looks like you'd have to be a lot
more careful about lapping this Gemini II than other coolers.

Most other coolers have the motherboard support bracket on the TOP of the
thick heatsink block so you could lap a large amount of thickness off the bottom of the
heatsink block base and still have there be no problem.

On the Gemini II you have the motherboard support bracket screwing into the bottom
of the heatsink base, so there's only a few millimeters of space between the bottom
surface of the heatsink which has to protrude down far enough to contact the CPU IHS
and the motherboard installation bracket. So I'd guess if you lapped more than about
1.5mm off the Gemini II you could have a problem of not having enough protruding
copper to fit past the S775 CPU clamp periphery and down onto the IHS since
at that point your GeminiII's mounting bracket would be pretty close to the
same level of the copper base and the socket clamp.

I just lapped a Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme and probably took around 1.2mm off
of the thickness of it before it was all flat and surfaced.

I'm sure you could do similarly on the Gemini II but if you over-lap by not-so-much
you'd have zero chance of good contact with the CPU IHS.

I've seen some web commenters say they get bad contact if they screw it down
too tight, the motherboard warps, and the CPU physically moves away from the
Gemini so that contact is uneven due to the uneven warpage.

Hmm what to make a S775 backplate out of...Probably 1/16" steel plate if I can
find something like that of the right size it'd be nice not to have to hacksaw it.

Looks like my Geminis are shipping today.
 

*kjm

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Originally posted by: QuixoticOne
Hmm looks like these don't have a motherboard back-plate for Socket 775; that's
a negative.

Also, I see that you must remove the motherboard from te case to install this
huge heatsink, and that the heatsink covers over about half of the size of the
motherboard. So how does one re-install the motherboard after the heatsink
is installed -- it seems like one might have great difficulty in accessing
around half of the nine motherboard screw-down points given the overhanging
heatsink.

My case's motherboard area is only barely the size of the motherboad, so it seems
that "coming in from the sides" isn't much of an option.

Drill 4 holes in your MB plate and install the heatsink with the motherboard in place. It would take two people and something holding the case up(saw horses???).
 

pbroussard

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Originally posted by: QuixoticOne

I've seen some web commenters say they get bad contact if they screw it down
too tight, the motherboard warps, and the CPU physically moves away from the
Gemini so that contact is uneven due to the uneven warpage.

Definitely true. Myself and others have experienced this. I'm going attempt another install maybe today with another system, but will run it for a while out of the case, to ensure I'm getting the temps I'd expect.

Do not over tighten this beast. Hard to do, since there is no backplate, initial thoughts are make sure it's good and tight.

Also, for the people wondering how to install it in a case after assembly, the twin fan mount is removable, and has a certain amount of adjustment built into the fan assembly, it will slide back and forth a bit on the heatsink itself. Install the hsf, leave off fan assembly, install mobo. You'll have to struggle with maybe 2 of the mobo mount screws, but it's not as bad as one might think.

Try and research your case too, this beast won't fit in some of the mid-size cases.

edit- just installed it on DS3, q6600 @3400Mhz, 1.34 vcore. This time, I used the included nut driver, by hand, tightening it down firmly without the aid of a screwdriver. Temps are mid 40's with Gigabyte's utility.
 
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