CMMG Bargin Bin M4 (AR-15) rifles $633

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Kabob

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KABOB; What's your opinion of Double Star AR's?

From what I hear Double Star isn't bad, although I've never personally handled one of their rifles. They and Del-Ton are sort of the unknowns for me. They aren't as easy to find/as popular as alot of other similar quality rifles. They're probably a Tier 2 gun (maybe slightly below Stag Arms and Bushmaster in quality), although honestly I just don't know...I'd do your homework on 'em before buying.

I've got three small pin Colt 6920s and a BCM midlength at the moment, if I were to buy another AR today it'd probably be a new Smith & Wesson M&P. With the price they've been going at lately they are a hot item (I want to say I've seen them as low as $700-750 for the A3 w/carry handle). Last time I checked S&W was offering 5 free P-Mags (best magazines you can buy ATM) with any rifle purchase, although that deal may be over as well.

For those of you buying an AR-15 the first thing I'd do is read this. Note, since he released the review jwise released a statement saying that CMMG's quality had taken a dive and he couldn't recommend them until they got their act together. He's also mentioned that S&W is lightyears better than what he reviewed, although I don't know if it's to be found in that thread.

Then I'd call CDNN Sports (800-588-9500) and ask if they have any sales on S&W's.
 

Kabob

Lifer
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Did I say I did? I was just talking about ballistic differences based on the previous poster's comments on the low power of 5.56mm.
 

Kabob

Lifer
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Hey hey hey! You'd be surprised. Maybe not as far north as Birmingham, but in Montgomery, I wouldn't think twice about an AR-15 for home defense.

Well, Birmingham was rated what, the #3 or #5 most dangerous city in America a few years ago? Not that I really plan on seeing many BG's around though.

The family as it sits right now, although I'm considering a few mods for the BCM Middy and maybe I'll bling out one of the Colts, although I don't like hanging alot of crap off of your rifle.

 
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Kabob

Lifer
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I may put an EOTech on one of the Colts. Optics are great, although learning to use iron sights is important as well (and alot of fun).

Optic is an Aimpoint CompML2 I got recently, it's just about bulletproof. Expensive though, I bought it used for about 1/2 the cost of new (normally $450+).

Buying the rifle is only the first step, you can customize to your heart's content, just remember that it gets expensive fast!
 

Khawk

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No offense but that isn't anything like a $1000 gun. You're missing chrome lining in the barrel and chamber, FA bolt/carrier group, potentially problematic gas key staking, parkerizing under the FSB, and alot of QC (by far the most expensive part of the mfr process). For a slightly higher price I'd pick up a new S&W, you can probably nab one for around $700 if you look hard enough.

I'll agree on the key staking but the barrel is this:
1/7 twist Barrels are hard chrome lined. Rifle length gas system. for the 18inch only.
 

Kabob

Lifer
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I'll agree on the key staking but the barrel is this:
1/7 twist Barrels are hard chrome lined. Rifle length gas system. for the 18inch only.

True, but the majority of people are going to get the 16" carbine.
 

bob4432

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From what I hear Double Star isn't bad, although I've never personally handled one of their rifles. They and Del-Ton are sort of the unknowns for me. They aren't as easy to find/as popular as alot of other similar quality rifles. They're probably a Tier 2 gun (maybe slightly below Stag Arms and Bushmaster in quality), although honestly I just don't know...I'd do your homework on 'em before buying.

have a double star lower w/ a del-ton middy on it - decent quality. the lower was in spec and the finish was good (i don't go over the cosmetics w/ a fine tooth comb, they are going to get use)

the del-ton upper was decently priced and is a 1:9, cl heavy brl - nothing special but g2g. when i ordered it i had them put a yhm lite rail on it and is g2g. staking is ok. nothing special and upper/lower fit is decently tight. came w/ a sa carrier and am assuming the bolt was not either hp or mpi - but again (i carry an extra just in case), i didn't pay much more than what these guys are paying and it was exactly what i wanted - middy, needed a rail (at least yhm, don't need dd or larue, etc).

compared to my lwrc it doesn't feel quite as tight, but that is ok , for the price of the del-ton/double star setup, i am happy w/ it and would buy another. they got hit pretty bad during the obama mad gun buy and i think that hurt their cs during those times, but i bought before the mad rush and they were a pleasure to do biz w/ and now that the rush is over, they seem to be back to the same setup. they do offer some good deals still that i would say would be equal to this cmmg setup w/out the attitude cmmg is kind of known for.

on a last note, unless you are shooting some corrosive ammo or live in a humid enviornment and take shit care of your weapons, cl is really not needed, nice but not needed.
 

bob4432

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I could have used this deal a few months ago. I've been on back order from del-ton since June 3rd . I did just score a 22 conversion for 160 shipped and 500 rounds of silver bear for 135. Now all I need is the rest of my gun.

did your del-ton upper ever make it?
 

Gunslinger08

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Considering picking one of these up, just to play around with. What's the best option (16" or 18") for just tooling around at the range, without optics? How expensive is the ammo?
 

RagingBITCH

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josh - if you've never had experience with it, it won't really matter what size. You should learn to shoot with iron sights first before you pickup optics.

Ammo - it's not a cheap gun to take to the range every weekend. Look online for .223 ammo - also check if your local range will let you shoot FMJ. (Cheapest ammo available) If not, you limit your options bigtime. Also - CMMG also says not to shoot steel cased ammo - using that and certain types of ammo (Wolf) will void what limited warranty there is.

I picked it up as just a cheap rifle to tinker around with until realizing all the local ranges around here won't let you shoot FMJ. I picked up a .22LR conversion as a cheap way to shoot it. 500rds for $13? Hell yea!

I'm no expert - kabob or bob would certainly be able to give you better info!
 

bob4432

Lifer
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Considering picking one of these up, just to play around with. What's the best option (16" or 18") for just tooling around at the range, without optics? How expensive is the ammo?

go w/ the 16", the 2" difference at this level of rifle isn't going to make a real difference, you will gain a bit of velocity, but it makes the rifle a bit longer because you have a 18" brl + flash hider, so nearly 20" - again, not worth it. one other misconception is that people feel that the extra 2" may make the rifle more accurate - again, not at this level of weapon and by weapon i am referring to is a sub $700 ar15. i would probably pick up the 16" firearm, grab a magpul mbus (backup rear sight) for $50 and some mags - d&h industries are "us" issue for aluminum - you can find them at www.44mag.com and also pmags - the pmags are starting to become the defacto standard for mags - they work, they are reliable and, they work and may start to become "us" issue.

in regards to ammo, you can pick up brass cased pmc for ~$310/1K which isn't too bad (considering about 6mos ago it was double that because of the obama issues) and also 55grn fmjbt (full metal jacket, boat tail) commonly known as m193 from either federal or prvi partizan - copper jacketed bullet, lead core. the problem w/ steel cased ammo is there is sometimes a lacquer coating on the case and this may cause extraction problems, but in all honesty, a firearm should fire wolf/brown bear regardless. the wolf/steel case is ~$240/1K - shoots dirtier and kind of smells bad. if you have any desire to reload, just get the brass cased stuff that is boxer primered. again, this is in case you have the desire to reload, which can bring down the price but also, if you really get into it, really tune loads to firearms for exceptional accuracy if you do your part and even becomes a hobby all into itself - even "bargain bin" rifles are probably capable of less than 1" for 5rnds @100yds in the right hands and w/the right ammo - the ar15/m16 design is a very accurate platform.

if you go a/ the 16" which i believe from what people are claiming it will have a 1:9 twist - this means that you should stay w/ ammo that has a bullet weight of 69gr or less if you want to try some of the "match" ammo - prvi partizan 69grn otm is good, cheap "match" ammo for some distance shooting - 100-300yds to see what you can - good stuff for the price. remember, when you have a 5.56 chamber, you can shoot 223 and 5.56 out of it, but not the other way around, and i am assuming from what people have said these are 5.56 chambers - again, g2g.

some places to get good prices on ammo/mags just off the top of my head:
www.44mag.com
www.aimsurplus.com
www.palmettostatearmory.com
www.wideners.com

enjoy
 

bob4432

Lifer
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josh - if you've never had experience with it, it won't really matter what size. You should learn to shoot with iron sights first before you pickup optics.

Ammo - it's not a cheap gun to take to the range every weekend. Look online for .223 ammo - also check if your local range will let you shoot FMJ. (Cheapest ammo available) If not, you limit your options bigtime. Also - CMMG also says not to shoot steel cased ammo - using that and certain types of ammo (Wolf) will void what limited warranty there is.

I picked it up as just a cheap rifle to tinker around with until realizing all the local ranges around here won't let you shoot FMJ. I picked up a .22LR conversion as a cheap way to shoot it. 500rds for $13? Hell yea!

I'm no expert - kabob or bob would certainly be able to give you better info!

was it fmj of any kind or steel cased, bimetal wolf/brown bear/silver bear stuff? it kind of doesn't make sense if they allow soft tip or hp but not real copper jacketed fmj...
 

Zebo

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Sweet!! Just one of my uppers costs 3x this whole rile. CMMG is decent too.
 
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Actually, DPMS ships in a hard case based on the info I have, so it would be included there as well. However, DPMS doesn't sell direct to the public on their site - only to 'dealers' (i.e. any FFL holder who has established an account with them). Of course, if you have a close friend who is an FFL holder and will sell it to you without markup and isn't required to collect sales tax, all they would need to do is fax DPMS a copy of their FFL and get set up on their system as a dealer.

Sounds like you might have a nice gun collection. I'm only South of you:twisted: AT gun range trip

-Derrick
 

Brock123

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did your del-ton upper ever make it?


Hell no after 8 months I canceled and order a RRA quad rail mid length upper.

I am still building but this is what I have so far. A full size Bushnell holosight is in the mail found them new for 200 couldn't see spending 250 more for a metal roll cage. I am also putting a low profile gas block on and using a magpul flip up sight in the front to match the rear right, and I have a t-pod in the mail.

 

slashbinslashbash

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was it fmj of any kind or steel cased, bimetal wolf/brown bear/silver bear stuff? it kind of doesn't make sense if they allow soft tip or hp but not real copper jacketed fmj...

There is a range south of Fort Worth that doesn't allow FMJ ammo. Says it tears up their backstops (i.e., their big piles of dirt and old tires). Biggest bunch of BS I've ever heard. Steel cased, brass case, steel core, they don't care-- as long as it's hollow or soft tip.
 

Lipservice

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Here is my setup: Remington R-15 (.223)/Nikon Coyote Special 4.5x14 power scope/Hornady 55gr V-MAX Moly ammo. Super accurate rifle. It shoots 1/2" to 5/8" groups consistently. It's a sweet coyote and fox gun. Love this ammo. It goes in, blows up, and does not exit on yotes and foxes.

And here is a red fox I nailed Friday with it. 325yards/10mph crosswind. This pic is from where I shot. Fox is in red circle by arrow.




Here he is bagged.

 
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erwos

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I am still building but this is what I have so far. A full size Bushnell holosight is in the mail found them new for 200 couldn't see spending 250 more for a metal roll cage. I am also putting a low profile gas block on and using a magpul flip up sight in the front to match the rear right, and I have a t-pod in the mail.
Where did you find the Bushnell Holosight for $200?
 

Kabob

Lifer
Sep 5, 2004
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go w/ the 16", the 2" difference at this level of rifle isn't going to make a real difference, you will gain a bit of velocity, but it makes the rifle a bit longer because you have a 18" brl + flash hider, so nearly 20" - again, not worth it. one other misconception is that people feel that the extra 2" may make the rifle more accurate - again, not at this level of weapon and by weapon i am referring to is a sub $700 ar15. i would probably pick up the 16" firearm, grab a magpul mbus (backup rear sight) for $50 and some mags - d&h industries are "us" issue for aluminum - you can find them at www.44mag.com and also pmags - the pmags are starting to become the defacto standard for mags - they work, they are reliable and, they work and may start to become "us" issue.

Didn't realize there'd been more posts on this thread.

While he'd only be gaining 2" of barrel length I assume that the 18" uses a rifle-length gas system, in which case he'd be gaining nearly double the sight radius. For someone learning to use irons accurately that wouldn't be bad thing at all, plus the rifle length gas system is slightly more...pleasant to shoot (although neither is bad at all).

+1 to your mags, I love PMags, DH are also excellent as are Okay. Aimsurplus.com has C-Products 30 round mags for $7.95 each. I've heard mixed reviews about C-Products although I've never had any issues with 'em.

Sweet!! Just one of my uppers costs 3x this whole rile. CMMG is decent too.

Noveske? LWRC? Barrett!?!?

I'd love to pick up a Noveske 14.5" lightweight Reece barrel in a VLTOR VIS upper receiver, but I don't have $1500 or whatever to blow on an upper...
 
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