C'mon Bush haters admit it. It feels good.

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
The upside is that we should finally get a President with elocution and diction.

The downside is that, at their core, I'm not sure the present crop of candidates will bring anything to the table that differs much from Bush.

But at at they'll sound good while sucking at being Pres. I guess that counts for something.

take it from one of the many who's been right the past two elections: you're definitely wrong about that.

I will tell you 1 month before the election who will win the Presidency. I did it in here in '04 and I never been wrong in the past about it, and that process started with Richard Nixon.

And by "bring anything to the table that differs much from Bush" I mean that the overall status quo won't change much. They'll do a few things different here and there but none of the candidates will be any better than the suckage we have now. They'll just suck in a different way. Pete Townsend said it best long ago:

There's nothing in the street
Looks any different to me
And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye
And the parting on the left
Is now the parting on the right
And the beards have all grown longer overnight

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around me
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
Don't get fooled again
No, no!

Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: Skoorb
The more I learn about politics and people the more I realize a great many of them are ignorant and do not care. This brings me concern about the long term efficacy of a democracy. I just inherently do not at the base level believe that if two people are voting and one is well informed and critical and the other isn't that they should both have equal say in matters of the world. There is something a bit wrong with it.

Old news. Democracy has plenty of well established problems. Which is a big reason why you need a Constitution or something to ensure Liberty. Now there's a term you don't hear much anymore.

Democracy? WHERE?! *looks around*

 

[nageov3t]

whoever wins the election, I just really hope that they won't take a lesson from the rove playbook and attempt to rule via divide and conquer, and perhaps actually work to ease some of the fierce partisanship in Washington.

I'm tired of shit not getting done because each side is afraid to give the other some good press.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
The upside is that we should finally get a President with elocution and diction.

The downside is that, at their core, I'm not sure the present crop of candidates will bring anything to the table that differs much from Bush.

But at at they'll sound good while sucking at being Pres. I guess that counts for something.

take it from one of the many who's been right the past two elections: you're definitely wrong about that.

I will tell you 1 month before the election who will win the Presidency. I did it in here in '04 and I never been wrong in the past about it, and that process started with Richard Nixon.

?? who cares? i was saying that we've been right the past two elections... not right ABOUT the past two elections. we've been right the whole time... we said that bush would bring the country down during the first election and he did... we said bush will make things way worse than he already has and he's continuing to live up to that.

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: techs
Here's a bit of honesty for you. After 7 years of Republican/Bush lying now that the 2008 election is near I'm feeling good. Why? Because after 7 years of "Deficits don"t matter" "Iraq is going great" "Saddam had weapons of mass destruction" "Outsourcing is good" "The Republicans are trying to stop illegal immigration" "Tax cuts increase revenue' "Republicans believe in good government"etc, etc etc FINALLY most Americans have come to their senses. And the outright lying and the vast right wing spin machine finds itself in a conumdrum. They want to tell us how the Democrats will spend, spend, spend. But we know it was the Republicans who did that. The righties want to tell us great times in Iraq are just around the corner, but that won't sell anymore. They want to tell us the Republicans are all about stopping illegal immigration, but we know they were all about NOT prosecuting companies that hired illegal aliens.
Etc, etc, etc.
Hoist by their own petard, I would say.
If I only knew what a petard is.

I am not going to get too happy until when the election results are official. Even though everything you mentioned above was true then, GWB was re-elected in 2004.

The US could get 4 more years of Bush type rule from a poster boy of the religious right, neo-cons, and profits at any cost Republicans.

 

[colonel]

I hate they didnt do nothing to the saudis when 19 hijackers were part of the attack

 

[JEDIYoda]

4 more years,,,,

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
4 more years of incompetent leadership

:thumbsdown:

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

And by "bring anything to the table that differs much from Bush" I mean that the overall status quo won't change much. They'll do a few things different here and there but none of the candidates will be any better than the suckage we have now. They'll just suck in a different way.

You've got that right. Nothing is going to change even if a Dem takes over. They'll roll out their own set of unsustainable handouts, the deficit will grow, and everyone will bitch about it. Bush gave us 8 years of exploded military spending, paid his base back with tax cuts and bought votes with social programs. The dems will pay their base back with tax increases and buy votes with their own social programs. Maybe they'll reduce military spending some, but I doubt it. Maybe they'll really go crazy and try to buy millions of votes by changing immigration policy, but I wager there will be enough R's left to filibuster that.

One set of partisans will be happy for another 4 years, and that's what matters!

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
4 more years of incompetent leadership

:thumbsdown:

I am not big on "the good old days" but my memory, beside the unrelentless attacks by his political enemies, of the Clinton years is really positive. Seven years of GWB has even muted the impact of Clinton's impeachment.

The problems with the next four years will be to fix problems GWB has gotten the US into, the next president will have to do some politically difficult things. To find and execute solutions for the Iraqi war, budget deficits, foreign and domestic policies will not be easy.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
The upside is that we should finally get a President with elocution and diction.

The downside is that, at their core, I'm not sure the present crop of candidates will bring anything to the table that differs much from Bush.

But at at they'll sound good while sucking at being Pres. I guess that counts for something.

take it from one of the many who's been right the past two elections: you're definitely wrong about that.

I will tell you 1 month before the election who will win the Presidency. I did it in here in '04 and I never been wrong in the past about it, and that process started with Richard Nixon.

?? who cares? i was saying that we've been right the past two elections... not right ABOUT the past two elections. we've been right the whole time... we said that bush would bring the country down during the first election and he did... we said bush will make things way worse than he already has and he's continuing to live up to that.

"We've" been right? Who is we? Are you talking about those screaming "BUSH LIED" at the top of their lungs? Well they've been wrong about that because it's never never shown that Bush lied, only that he was incorrect. What about all the lefties predicting the total collapse of the US under Bush. A completely failing economy? A fascist state? All the saupposed losses of our rights because of the Patriot Act? All the doom and gloom naysayers that have continued to yell those types of things have been totally and completely wrong. So you're only right in your own mind. That is, if the left are in their right mind in the first place.

 

[Gaard]

They're wrong because it's never been shown that he lied?

You believe that he deceived us, right? Are you wrong if you can't prove it?

 

[randym431]

Like my 95 year old grandma always said... once the republicans get in it just takes them 4 years to mess things up totally. Reagan was one of the worst, even though he's praised my many republicans. Reagan gave us ketchup as a veggie in school lunches, and called trees worse than cars being bad for the environment. And the BIG GOVERNMENT BAD slogan. He hated unions (the back bone of the middle class creation), and remember the air traffic control mess? Yes, Reagan was a "peach". :roll:

 

[HeXploiT]

The left is a mirror image of the right. Liberals & neo-cons are all socialists. Ron Paul is the only last hope for America before inflation kicks in and takes off. Americans may yet get to experience what humility as a nation truly is.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Perry404
The left is a mirror image of the right. Liberals & neo-cons are all socialists. Ron Paul is the only last hope for America before inflation kicks in and takes off. Americans may yet get to experience what humility as a nation truly is.

Ron Paul?

The old joke goes - Politicians are like Granola. What ain't fruits and nuts is flakes.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: dyna

What will you do if another Repub wins?

Shake my head at the sheer stupidity of the American people and most of all, at the stupidity of the Democratic Party for thinking that Hillary is electable as President...

I almost believe that there is a right-wing conspiracy to help Hillary get nominated, just so that they can run ANYONE, even Ron Paul and win the election...

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: dyna

What will you do if another Repub wins?

Shake my head at the sheer stupidity of the American people and most of all, at the stupidity of the Democratic Party for thinking that Hillary is electable as President...

I almost believe that there is a right-wing conspiracy to help Hillary get nominated, just so that they can run ANYONE, even Ron Paul and win the election...

It's not a conspiracy. That's a fact. Quite a few on the right want to see Hillary nominated exactly because they don't believe she can possibly win.

Then again, Bush won twice despite his beady eyes and lacking a grasp of proper English. Maybe Hillary can win despite her scowl, outburts, and unfavorable fishwife demeanor? The public today is a fickle one.

 

[McGyver]

one more thing, "booming economy based on house sales". a relic of bush legacy.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: McGyver
one more thing, "booming economy based on house sales". a relic of bush legacy.

Seems that more than booming housing sales were carrying the economy along or else we'd be in a recession or depression by now. However, since the housing bubble didn't really burst but is slowly deflating instead, it doesn't look like that's going to happen. Put that on another of the long list of fearmongering claims we heard about our troubled economy since Bush took office.

I'm not defending Bush with my statement either. Bush carries about as much responsibilty for the housing boom and bust as Clinton did for the internet boom and bust. Both were a symbol of, and driven by, typical American greed. Goes with the capitalist territory.

Personally I can't complain about the housing though. Even though my house is probably worth $75K less than last year it's still worth $150K more than I paid for it in '03. A valuation readjustment was due. Things were getting out of control.

 

[BrownTown]

Originally posted by: techs
If I only knew what a petard is.

a petard is a bomb used in siege warfare to try and knock down and enemy wall or gate. Military engineers would try to plant such devices outside an enemy fortress. However if you screwed it up you might just end up blowing yourself up instead of your enemy, hence the phrase "hoisted by his own petard", which means to be harmed by ones own plans, or in the literal case to be blown to bits by ones own explosive device.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Perry404
The left is a mirror image of the right. Liberals & neo-cons are all socialists. Ron Paul is the only last hope for America before inflation kicks in and takes off. Americans may yet get to experience what humility as a nation truly is.

OMFGBBQ

Give it up. Your boss has less chance of getting elected than me.

 

[jonmcc33]

Originally posted by: McGyver
one more thing, "booming economy based on house sales". a relic of bush legacy.

Yes, everyone knows that I want to spend $300K on a 3/2 in the middle of a crime infested area (Lehigh Acres, FL).

 

[Lemon law]

What we are missing here is the difference between a capital and a consumer good. Housing is a capital good and creates a one time spending ripple effect as the money spent on building the house ripples through the economy. A capital good such as a factory continues
to create value. The gain or loss in housing prices is just paper value and is a total zero sum game.

The point being, a society that is not investing in domestic capital goods is in future trouble.