Cmon developers, where are the JRPG and Fighting PC games?

[gothamhunter]

I'm a PC gamer at heart, but man I love me some JRPG's and fighting games. It's sad to see that there are so few on the PC. Last Remnant on the PC was amazing and I still love playing it. I can't justify spending $40 on SF4 - I really want to play it but man it shouldn't be that much still; I guess they can charge what they want when they own the genre on the PC. I originally bought the 360 when I heard that Final Fantasy XIII was coming out on it. I played Star Ocean, SF4, SSF4, Eternal Sonata, etc... until it was released. I got it, played it, beat it, and then sold all those games and my 360.

Where are all the PC Final Fantasy and Mortal Kombats that should be coming out? Sure, I know there's the risk of them being pirated, but I would think most people would want to buy fighting games so that they can play it online against other players, and most JRPG's do well enough on consoles to not worry about the PC version being pirated in addition to the actual PC sales. Not to mention that pirating 360 games is really easy as well, and the PS3 has recently been hacked...

Don't get me wrong, I realize that their homefront is on the console (both are obviously controller friendly games), but with how cheap/easy it is to get a PC controller, not to mention most already do for racing games (another genre that used to mainly be for consoles), I don't see much of a reason not to.

I enjoy and appreciate the RPG's that come out on PC's, but I would much rather have Final Fantasy/Dragon Quest/Star Ocean/etc... to play as well rather than ONLY Dragon Age/Two Worlds/etc...

In a gaming market that's oversaturated with FPS's and MMO's, give me what I want!

My 2 cents.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

I'm right there with you. You really need to play sf4 on pc though. With the graphics cranked and the resolution up it looks great. Takes a little gpu power. 460 1gb max settings for 1080p. I play it in 3d and it's amazing. My GTX 580 has no problem playing it though. I have a constant 120fps with no dips.
I would give anything to play final fantasy on PC. We didn't even get the streetfighter 4 remake they got on the consoles. I've considered buying a ps3 just to play the newest final fantasy. It would probably collect dust after that but that's how big a fan I am of final fantasy.

 

[gothamhunter]

How populated is the online for SF4 on the PC? If people are still playing online, I might consider it.

The newest Final Fantasy is good and bad. I really like the story and some of the characters, the battles were pretty fun, equipment management was fun, and dear Lord is it gorgeous. However, I was a little put-off by the lack of ability to explore how you wanted - part of Final Fantasy is accidentally walking over to that island that rapes you because you're level 12 and it's a level 46 zone. Not having towns to randomly talk to NPC's that don't matter seems like a small issue, but when the game is basically on rails it's pretty noticeable.

On that note, it's definitely worth a playthrough Set a weekend to where you know you're not going to be doing anything, and take that Friday off. Go rent a PS3 and FFXIII and play it Friday-Sunday evening. Best weekend ever.

 

[Ross Ridge]

Japanese RPGs have never been big on the PC. While things have changed, there used to be almost no market for PC games in Japan, so naturally Japanese developers didn't create many RPGs for the platform. Most Japanese RPGs that did appear on the PC, like Final Fantasy VII or Grandia II, were ports made by Western publishers.

Given that Japanese RPGs aren't doing so well on the consoles right now, it seems to be a fading if not dying genre, it's also not surprising that today Japanese developers aren't eager to release PC versions of their games. Final Fantasy XIII was actually developed internally on the PC first and then ported to the PlayStation 3 later in development. Square Enix however has shown no interest releasing a PC version of the game. Maybe if Last Remnant had been better received.

There is however one Japanese RPG for the PC (and only the PC) that I can recommend you try: Recettear: An Item Shop's Tale. It's available on various digital download sites. Don't hold your breath waiting for another game like this to appear on the PC though.

 

[gothamhunter]

Japanese RPGs have never been big on the PC. While things have changed, there used to be almost no market for PC games in Japan, so naturally Japanese developers didn't create many RPGs for the platform. Most Japanese RPGs that did appear on the PC, like Final Fantasy VII or Grandia II, were ports made by Western publishers.

Given that Japanese RPGs aren't doing so well on the consoles right now, it seems to be a fading if not dying genre, it's also not surprising that today Japanese developers aren't eager to release PC versions of their games. Final Fantasy XIII was actually developed internally on the PC first and then ported to the PlayStation 3 later in development. Square Enix however has shown no interest releasing a PC version of the game. Maybe if Last Remnant had been better received.

There is however one Japanese RPG for the PC (and only the PC) that I can recommend you try: Recettear: An Item Shop's Tale. It's available on various digital download sites. Don't hold your breath waiting for another game like this to appear on the PC though.

Last Remnant was well received on the PC - it fixed all the issues that plagued the console version.

I have Recettear through Steam - it's alright, but not really what I'm looking for.

 

[Ross Ridge]

Last Remnant was well received on the PC - it fixed all the issues that plagued the console version.

You may have liked it, but it did not get good reviews and it didn't sell well on the PC. It did nothing to encourage Square Enix to release more Japanese RPGs on the PC.

 

[gothamhunter]

You may have liked it, but it did not get good reviews and it didn't sell well on the PC. It did nothing to encourage Square Enix to release more Japanese RPGs on the PC.

?? The Last Remnant on PC got really good reviews. It's sad that the metacritic review of it is only @ 66 because of two negative reviews (basically saying "oh hey it's another JRPG" or "wow, USA still cares about JRPGs?" Those are not fair reviews), even though most of them are positive or above average. The user score is @ 8.7, showing the userbase really enjoyed it. The review sites giving it a bad rating:

Total PC Gaming
Thunderbolt
Absolute Games
PC Zone UK
PC Format

All of the other reviews give it at least 3/5, with top review scores coming from:
GameFocus
GameSpot
Vandal Online
GameStar


It's honestly a shame most PC gamers might have passed it up by reviews coming from no-names or because of the console counterpart.

 

[ioni]

Isn't BlazBlue available on PC? I hope Card Saga Wars gets released before I die. That's going to be an amazing fighter which is only going to be available on the PC. There's no way they'd be able to get the rights to publish it on XBox Live or PSN.

 

[gothamhunter]

Isn't BlazBlue available on PC? I hope Card Saga Wars gets released before I die. That's going to be an amazing fighter which is only going to be available on the PC. There's no way they'd be able to get the rights to publish it on XBox Live or PSN.

Wow, must have missed BlazBlue. Maybe I'll check it out, although it looks very button mashy.

 

[Pia]

It feels weird that SFIV was clearly superior on PC, worked well and sold a decent amount, and then Capcom didn't even bother to release the expansion for PC despite it obviously being a trivial port when the engine is already on PC.

I have zero interest in JRPGs personally - if you ask me, the defining characteristics of the genre are the ones making it stink, so if something was fun it wouldn't be a JRPG - but there are less subjective reasons the genre is probably a bad fit for the PC. JRPG UIs are married to the console in a big way, and would basically need to be rebuilt from the ground up to feel good on the PC. That would be a gigantic task for anyone, but Japanese game developers seem especially unlikely to get it right as their track record with modern PC UI is nonexistent.

 

[gothamhunter]

It feels weird that SFIV was clearly superior on PC, worked well and sold a decent amount, and then Capcom didn't even bother to release the expansion for PC despite it obviously being a trivial port when the engine is already on PC.

I have zero interest in JRPGs personally - if you ask me, the defining characteristics of the genre are the ones making it stink, so if something was fun it wouldn't be a JRPG - but there are less subjective reasons the genre is probably a bad fit for the PC. JRPG UIs are married to the console in a big way, and would basically need to be rebuilt from the ground up to feel good on the PC. That would be a gigantic task for anyone, but Japanese game developers seem especially unlikely to get it right as their track record with modern PC UI is nonexistent.

Do you still play it on the PC? Any online activity still?
I love JRPG's, much more than some of the crappy hack and slashers and the "cross-genre" RPG's that are coming out now-a-days, although they do pale in comparison to the likes of Planescape and Neverwinter Nights.

Yes, they are usually heavily consolized, like in the UI, but Last Remant made it work, and if you have a PC controller it doesn't matter.

 

[Udgnim]

don't think we're going to see any PC fighting game ports from Capcom anytime soon due to piracy of Street Fighter 4

would love to have a PC version of Marvel vs Capcom 3 available. oh well

 

[zinfamous]

I think JRPG belongs, exclusively, on consoles. They were built and styled for controller-driven console play.

 

[Absolution75]

Fighting games are a really niche kind of game these days. They are basically the bringers of their own destruction - impossible to play without knowing all the moves and if they are dumbed down, they lose their hardcore appeal. No new players + niche market = no games.

Same thing for JRPGs, neither of those two genres sell well in the USA. Developers go where the money is.

 

[Pia]

Do you still play it on the PC? Any online activity still?

I never went online with it. Messed around in arcade mode and training mode for 10 hours or so, and the game seemed to be the tedious and stupid kind of hard so I quit. I actually bought Street Fighter 2 Turbo HD Remix two weeks ago, and it is better than SFIV, but not not quite love at first sight either. The SF series probably isn't for me. I like Virtua Fighter and also liked the first Soul Calibur a lot.

Anyway, the PC version of SFIV ran at a steady 60Hz@1200p with a mere 8800GTS, so it was definitely well done. I'd still advise anyone who owns a current-gen console and wants Street Fighter to pick up either HD Remix or Super SFIV instead.

 

[Pia]

don't think we're going to see any PC fighting game ports from Capcom anytime soon due to piracy of Street Fighter 4

Nah, it's due to Capcom choosing to take their ball and go home. Everyone making good enough games gets their products pirated, but it's only some that get all huffy about it. Capcom sold lots and lots of copies and made a lot of profit with SFIV PC. It was good business even with the piracy. They had already delayed the PC version far behind the console versions, so there was no way any piratism would have affected the sales on consoles. Obviously, on this kind of game online is a significant draw, and it would actually be feasible to block pirates from the online service in the future. It's just that for some unknown reason they have decided not to.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

I never went online with it. Messed around in arcade mode and training mode for 10 hours or so, and the game seemed to be the tedious and stupid kind of hard so I quit. I actually bought Street Fighter 2 Turbo HD Remix two weeks ago, and it is better than SFIV, but not not quite love at first sight either. The SF series probably isn't for me. I like Virtua Fighter and also liked the first Soul Calibur a lot.

Anyway, the PC version of SFIV ran at a steady 60Hz@1200p with a mere 8800GTS, so it was definitely well done. I'd still advise anyone who owns a current-gen console and wants Street Fighter to pick up either HD Remix or Super SFIV instead.

I'm gonna have to strongly disagree with everything you just said. First off no way in hell you were running it maxed out at 1200p with a 8800gts. I've owned many graphics cards. I buy them use em for a little while then I sell it and buy another. I ran streetfighter on a GTX 460 768mb and it kind of lagged when maxed out and this was at 1080p. I ran it with a GTX 460 1gb and it worked smooth. There is no way you were running at a higher resolution with a much lesser card than either of the two I mentioned. That's why I recommended a pretty beefy gpu if he decides to play it maxed out.

I would recommend SF4 on the pc because the graphics are bad ass and it just works great. I have no trouble finding matches with other people online at anytime. I was up late one night, 2am or so, and it was kinda tough but every other time it's within seconds I create a match I get someone to play against.

 

[LumbergTech]

SF4 is 29.99 on steam and generally around 10 bucks when there is a steam sale.

 

[Pia]

I'm gonna have to strongly disagree with everything you just said. First off no way in hell you were running it maxed out at 1200p with a 8800gts. I've owned many graphics cards. I buy them use em for a little while then I sell it and buy another. I ran streetfighter on a GTX 460 768mb and it kind of lagged when maxed out and this was at 1080p. I ran it with a GTX 460 1gb and it worked smooth. There is no way you were running at a higher resolution with a much lesser card than either of the two I mentioned. That's why I recommended a pretty beefy gpu if he decides to play it maxed out.

I didn't say anything about maxed out. Don't really remember what settings I had it on, but it was native res, looked excellent, and the game's own FPS meter consistently showed between 59 and 60.

 

[fatpat268]

I'm gonna have to strongly disagree with everything you just said. First off no way in hell you were running it maxed out at 1200p with a 8800gts. I've owned many graphics cards. I buy them use em for a little while then I sell it and buy another. I ran streetfighter on a GTX 460 768mb and it kind of lagged when maxed out and this was at 1080p. I ran it with a GTX 460 1gb and it worked smooth. There is no way you were running at a higher resolution with a much lesser card than either of the two I mentioned. That's why I recommended a pretty beefy gpu if he decides to play it maxed out.

I would recommend SF4 on the pc because the graphics are bad ass and it just works great. I have no trouble finding matches with other people online at anytime. I was up late one night, 2am or so, and it was kinda tough but every other time it's within seconds I create a match I get someone to play against.

I used to play SF4 on a PC with an Intel C2D E8400 and an Nvidia 8800gt. I ran it at 1920x1200 at a perfect 60 fps with everything maxed out. I'm not sure why you had problems with it, but it worked perfectly fine for me.

 

[LumbergTech]

I'm gonna have to strongly disagree with everything you just said. First off no way in hell you were running it maxed out at 1200p with a 8800gts. I've owned many graphics cards. I buy them use em for a little while then I sell it and buy another. I ran streetfighter on a GTX 460 768mb and it kind of lagged when maxed out and this was at 1080p. I ran it with a GTX 460 1gb and it worked smooth. There is no way you were running at a higher resolution with a much lesser card than either of the two I mentioned. That's why I recommended a pretty beefy gpu if he decides to play it maxed out.

I would recommend SF4 on the pc because the graphics are bad ass and it just works great. I have no trouble finding matches with other people online at anytime. I was up late one night, 2am or so, and it was kinda tough but every other time it's within seconds I create a match I get someone to play against.

I ran it on an 8800gt 512mb and it never went below 60 fps at absolute max

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

I have a second rig with a i7 and a 9800gtx oc+ in it. I'll install it and run it with everything maxed. I could swear I had trouble with a stock clocked GTX 460 768mb.

 

[Regs]

I would love to see fight night on PC but I think I belong in a small crowd on that one.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

I was right. Played SF4 everything maxed AA 16x&Q and texture filter 16x and I was getting 27-30fps. The guy I was playing online messaged me through windows live. Exact quote "Why the f@ck do you even play when it lags this much?". I turned AA down to 4X and texture filter to off and then I was pegged at 60fps. This is with a 9800gtx oc+. No way you guys were running maxed out at 60fps with everything on high. It also is on a i7 processor with latest nvidia drivers.

 

[fatpat268]

I was right. Played SF4 everything maxed AA 16x&Q and texture filter 16x and I was getting 27-30fps. The guy I was playing online messaged me through windows live. Exact quote "Why the f@ck do you even play when it lags this much?". I turned AA down to 4X and texture filter to off and then I was pegged at 60fps. This is with a 9800gtx oc+. No way you guys were running maxed out at 60fps with everything on high. It also is on a i7 processor with latest nvidia drivers.

Ok... I'm TOTALLY wrong and I COMPLETELY lied about the fact that I got 60fps maxed at 1920x1200 on an 8800gt because I have nothing better to do.