I'm not so sure. I thought that Kim spent the rest of the gas in the car trying to get out of the muck his car got stuck into. How could he have gone any further if he couldn't move?
Missing his exit is not an excuse. There are at least 3 more exits within the next 10 miles any of them woujld have taken him back to US42 with little loss in time.
Originally posted by: Marinski
Originally posted by: StormRider
Originally posted by: Marinski
My point is people die tragic deaths daily and most people don't give two shits about them.
Yeah, but isn't that like going up to someone and saying, "If he wasn't your father, would you have given two shits that he died?"
My point is that a lot of us have seen James Kim on CNET and this gives us a sense of "knowing" him and therefore, we are more likely to care more about what happens to him.
I don't know James Kim. I never met him. I'm sorry he died but his death is no more important than anybody else who dies this way.
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: vtohthree
yes, very sad, i'll miss seeing him on cnet reviews..and even sadder for his family.
I agree, he was a hero, didn't matter if he made it back alive or not in my book..still a hero, after day of being stranded he decided to go out and try to find help for his family even if the odds were against him, he tried.
RIP, and compassion for his family.
Getting lost in the woods and leaving your family to get even more lost does not make one a hero.
You really don't understand what he did do you? He knew he'd probably not make it in one piece, but after 4 days he also thought no one was going to find them. He figured it would be a risk that needed to be taken....there was not much more he could do for his family waiting.
I hope you are still in high school and young with such ignorance.
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
yet more new info, he walked 16 miles not 10.
they were 7 miles from the lodge, not 1.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003470027_webkim09.html
" PORTLAND, Ore. ? James Kim walked more than 16 miles before he died trying to save his stranded family in Southern Oregon's rugged Rogue River Canyon ? six miles more than was originally thought, a search official said Saturday.
Phil Turnbull, chief of the Rural/Metro Fire Department in Josephine County, also said that as Kim's wife and two children waited in their car to be rescued, they weren't as close to a fishing lodge as authorities had initially thought.
A field report that had incorrect coordinates for the location of the family car led officials to calculate initially that Kim had walked about 10 miles before dying of hypothermia, Turnbull said."
"Instead of being about a mile from the lodge, Turnbull said, the vehicle was 6.37 miles farther along the road than thought, meaning James Kim had walked that much farther than searchers first thought."
Originally posted by: daveymark
Originally posted by: Marinski
Originally posted by: StormRider
Originally posted by: Marinski
My point is people die tragic deaths daily and most people don't give two shits about them.
Yeah, but isn't that like going up to someone and saying, "If he wasn't your father, would you have given two shits that he died?"
My point is that a lot of us have seen James Kim on CNET and this gives us a sense of "knowing" him and therefore, we are more likely to care more about what happens to him.
I don't know James Kim. I never met him. I'm sorry he died but his death is no more important than anybody else who dies this way.
qft.
RIP to all the soldiers who died in Iraq. They gave the ultimate sacrifice. If you want to honor Kim, please help in any way you can to support our soldiers. He would have wanted that.
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: daveymark
Originally posted by: Marinski
Originally posted by: StormRider
Originally posted by: Marinski
My point is people die tragic deaths daily and most people don't give two shits about them.
Yeah, but isn't that like going up to someone and saying, "If he wasn't your father, would you have given two shits that he died?"
My point is that a lot of us have seen James Kim on CNET and this gives us a sense of "knowing" him and therefore, we are more likely to care more about what happens to him.
I don't know James Kim. I never met him. I'm sorry he died but his death is no more important than anybody else who dies this way.
qft.
RIP to all the soldiers who died in Iraq. They gave the ultimate sacrifice. If you want to honor Kim, please help in any way you can to support our soldiers. He would have wanted that.
Soldiers are volunteers though/knowing what they are getting into. This guy was just trying to take a vacation with his family.
A cop getting shot in his line of work is a bit different than Joe Citizen trying to stop a mugging and getting shot.
Originally posted by: Aimster
He made the right decision at the time. He was with his family for days and there was ZERO evidence anyone was looking for them. They had zero food and no water. They were freezing and needed to get rescued.
His decision was to be the man and go find help.
If I recall his footsteps are exactly what led to the helicopter finding the family in the first place .. I heard this from some reporter on msnbc. Therefore, he did what he set out to do. He saved his family.
Originally posted by: Rudee
Originally posted by: Aimster
He made the right decision at the time. He was with his family for days and there was ZERO evidence anyone was looking for them. They had zero food and no water. They were freezing and needed to get rescued.
His decision was to be the man and go find help.
If I recall his footsteps are exactly what led to the helicopter finding the family in the first place .. I heard this from some reporter on msnbc. Therefore, he did what he set out to do. He saved his family.
When he got out to look for help wouldn't it of made more sense to stay on the road and backtrack toward the highway where he had turned off? Why venture into the brush where you can easily get lost? I don't understand why he went into the brush instead of following the road.
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: dethman
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
I thought everyone knew that if you get stuck in a snow storm in your car you should stay in the car...your chances of survival out in the elements are not good and the longer you go the lower your chances of survival are.
try saying that after you've spent seven days in a car without sign of help and your children and wife starving in front of you.
Yet he's gone and they survived...
It's sad but I think he's gone because he made a terrible decision...a couple of them actually.
Originally posted by: Rudee
When he got out to look for help wouldn't it of made more sense to stay on the road and backtrack toward the highway where he had turned off? Why venture into the brush where you can easily get lost? I don't understand why he went into the brush instead of following the road.
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
If I were in his situation, I would have began walking immediately or the very next morning. You don't just sit there doing nothing in the middle of nowhere and let your energy waste away. They sat there for about a week before they did anything. By that time it was too late.
The sad part is that he would have learned if he got another chance, but he didn't. RIP
Originally posted by: Xstatic1
Originally posted by: Rudee
When he got out to look for help wouldn't it of made more sense to stay on the road and backtrack toward the highway where he had turned off? Why venture into the brush where you can easily get lost? I don't understand why he went into the brush instead of following the road.
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
If I were in his situation, I would have began walking immediately or the very next morning. You don't just sit there doing nothing in the middle of nowhere and let your energy waste away. They sat there for about a week before they did anything. By that time it was too late.
The sad part is that he would have learned if he got another chance, but he didn't. RIP
FINALLY, 2 other ppl who have the same thoughts i have about this whole thing.
Originally posted by: RossGr
If you have any sense at all, you would NOT have started walking immediately. They were caught in the middle of a bad Pacific storm. The first days they were stuck was heavy rain and snow. Walking into that, without proper clothing would be foolish. The storm had broken by Thursday, Friday was very nice and Saturday was beautiful. His mistake was leaving the road. The fact is they were so far off the main roads that there was no way he was going to get to help. But leaving the road and heading down hill was the absolute worse decision he could have made. He could not have known that he was heading into a virtual wilderness with no way out to civilization. Reaching the Rogue River would have not helped in the least.
Do a google search on Agness Jet boat ride. There are some very nice pictures of the terraine miles down stream from where he was. The only thing between him and safety was miles and miles of unpassable wilderness.
Originally posted by: RossGr
The sad fact is that the Oregon Black bear is afraid of humans and rarely seen. To leave the road because he saw bear tracks is just plain stupid. Oregon Black bear are small and only a threat to a human if you attack them first.
I spent my teenage years hiking, camping and hunting in the Oregon woods, once, and only once, I was lucky enough to get a glimpse of a bear.
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: RossGr
The sad fact is that the Oregon Black bear is afraid of humans and rarely seen. To leave the road because he saw bear tracks is just plain stupid. Oregon Black bear are small and only a threat to a human if you attack them first.
I spent my teenage years hiking, camping and hunting in the Oregon woods, once, and only once, I was lucky enough to get a glimpse of a bear.
you are just so full of hindsight and knowledge many don't have.
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: RossGr
The sad fact is that the Oregon Black bear is afraid of humans and rarely seen. To leave the road because he saw bear tracks is just plain stupid. Oregon Black bear are small and only a threat to a human if you attack them first.
I spent my teenage years hiking, camping and hunting in the Oregon woods, once, and only once, I was lucky enough to get a glimpse of a bear.
you are just so full of hindsight and knowledge many don't have.
It sounds like he's full of common sense that many people don't have. Trust me- I've been hiking with people from the city and most are absolutely clueless.
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
It sounds like he's full of common sense that many people don't have. Trust me- I've been hiking with people from the city and most are absolutely clueless.Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: RossGr
The sad fact is that the Oregon Black bear is afraid of humans and rarely seen. To leave the road because he saw bear tracks is just plain stupid. Oregon Black bear are small and only a threat to a human if you attack them first.
I spent my teenage years hiking, camping and hunting in the Oregon woods, once, and only once, I was lucky enough to get a glimpse of a bear.
you are just so full of hindsight and knowledge many don't have.
you are confusing what common sense is.
Common sense is something that should be shared by everyone...not those out hiking or in bear country.
Originally posted by: RossGr
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
It sounds like he's full of common sense that many people don't have. Trust me- I've been hiking with people from the city and most are absolutely clueless.Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: RossGr
The sad fact is that the Oregon Black bear is afraid of humans and rarely seen. To leave the road because he saw bear tracks is just plain stupid. Oregon Black bear are small and only a threat to a human if you attack them first.
I spent my teenage years hiking, camping and hunting in the Oregon woods, once, and only once, I was lucky enough to get a glimpse of a bear.
you are just so full of hindsight and knowledge many don't have.
you are confusing what common sense is.
Common sense is something that should be shared by everyone...not those out hiking or in bear country.
LOL!
That's pretty funny, what is it with city folk and bear anyway? Now if he had found cougar tracks, (would he have been able to tell the difference?) that may be a concern, but BEAR? I guess if you visit the National Parks the bear are fearless and always hungry, but those are National Park bears they are much different from the the wild bear in the Oregon woods. Wild bear are very timid and quite shy, they would rather not be seen and therefore are hard to see. They feed on grubs and berryies not large bodied animals. unless you are already dead you are pretty safe from a Black bear.
Is this connom sense or common knowledge, perhaps not, but that means it is even more important for those of us who are aware to share our knowledge.
I will say that for any game animal you wish to avoid your best bet is to stay on the road. To head into the brush is to hand over the advantage the animal. Bear, deer, cougar, you name it, can move quiter and faster through the brush then you can. They will know EXACTLY where you are and you will have no clue where they are. In the brush you cannot see more the 5 or 10 ft often much less. Why would anyone want to sacrfice the advantages provided by a road, for the dangers of the brush?
Originally posted by: RossGr
The sad fact is that the Oregon Black bear is afraid of humans and rarely seen. To leave the road because he saw bear tracks is just plain stupid. Oregon Black bear are small and only a threat to a human if you attack them first.
I spent my teenage years hiking, camping and hunting in the Oregon woods, once, and only once, I was lucky enough to get a glimpse of a bear.
Originally posted by: StormRider
Actually, the article said searchers found bear tracks along with Kim's tracks and speculated that Kim was being followed by a bear.
The article did not imply that Kim saw bear tracks and left the road but rather saw a bear itself and might have left the road to avoid it. Why would someone do that just because they saw tracks? But we'll probably never know why he left the road.
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: StormRider
Actually, the article said searchers found bear tracks along with Kim's tracks and speculated that Kim was being followed by a bear.
The article did not imply that Kim saw bear tracks and left the road but rather saw a bear itself and might have left the road to avoid it. Why would someone do that just because they saw tracks? But we'll probably never know why he left the road.
Because city folks are terrified by bears. They just don't know how to react when they see one.