CNN : Czar Putin

[NoStateofMind]

Just wanting to see people's responses. Putin definitely seems to want the old communist regime instead of democracy.

EDIT: Wow, since the fall of communism, 220 journalists have been murdered and only 6 have been investigated. Putin :thumbsdown::|

 

[wazzledoozle]

Well the Russians themselves seem to like him.

 

[babylon5]

It goes from bankrupted Communists to dictatorship with $$.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: wazzledoozle
Well the Russians themselves seem to like him.

Those who would tell you otherwise are in body bags.

 

[palehorse]

Some of us have seen it coming, and warned everyone, loudly, for years.

 

[spittledip]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
Some of us have seen it coming, and warned everyone, loudly, for years.

lol, who exactly did you warn?

 

[Colt45]

I can't wait until Putin resurrects Lenin and Stalin. fuck yeah. It's gonna be one hell of a party.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
Some of us have seen it coming, and warned everyone, loudly, for years.

Yup, the start of a new era begun years ago, Russia is too big and too damn powerful to be messed with though, so what we can do is offer incentives, unfortunantly the US is on the opposing side and treats Russia like a non-threat.

I don't think that is wise.

 

[brxndxn]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: palehorse74
Some of us have seen it coming, and warned everyone, loudly, for years.

Yup, the start of a new era begun years ago, Russia is too big and too damn powerful to be messed with though, so what we can do is offer incentives, unfortunantly the US is on the opposing side and treats Russia like a non-threat.

I don't think that is wise.

No, the US meddles with Russian affairs that need to be decided by the people of Russia. Instead, US meddling allows Putin to 'unite' the people to fight back against US opposition.

Russia is currently treated like a threat.. and instead it should be treated like a non-threat trading partner.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: brxndxn

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: palehorse74
Some of us have seen it coming, and warned everyone, loudly, for years.

Yup, the start of a new era begun years ago, Russia is too big and too damn powerful to be messed with though, so what we can do is offer incentives, unfortunantly the US is on the opposing side and treats Russia like a non-threat.

I don't think that is wise.

No, the US meddles with Russian affairs that need to be decided by the people of Russia. Instead, US meddling allows Putin to 'unite' the people to fight back against US opposition.

Russia is currently treated like a threat.. and instead it should be treated like a non-threat trading partner.

Bullshit, the US doesn't meddle with Russias affairs, give me a good example of that happening.

Putin will be prime minister and hold on to his power, that's the way it's going to be, Russia isn't really a democracy and definently not a nation that is going to prosper in the coming years, if you have more than one brain cell you know what that will mean.

Russia is a threat to all surrounding nations and have proven this to be true a multitude of times.

 

[Braznor]

Ha Ha Ha,

The Russians bear a very bitter grouse against the west. Putin is an expression of that hatred.

I wouldn't be surprised if they hate the West as virulently as the Islamists. No wonder Putin's alliance with Iran.

The mushroom clouds should prove interesting. Unlike the Islamists, the russians got very good hardware and it would prove to be a great fight to watch on cable!

:thumbsup: for the next World War!

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: wazzledoozle
Well the Russians themselves seem to like him.

How do you know? Like Gary Kasparov says, when you control the press and the media you can't know if the Russians really like him.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: Braznor
Ha Ha Ha,

The Russians bear a very bitter grouse against the west. Putin is an expression of that hatred.

I wouldn't be surprised if they hate the West as virulently as the Islamists. No wonder Putin's alliance with Iran.

The US has done business with Iran and other dictatorships for ages too, just like Russia and China. The difference is that if they trade with Russia or China instead of the US they are 'evil', and when they trade with the US they are an 'ally'. Or did you think Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and half of South Amerika were genuine democracies?

Since the US stopped using the F14 Iran is the only country where they are still in service. They got them from the US, and to service them they are still buying parts from the US.

When it concerns money, trading and resources the US, the EU, Russia and China are pretty much the same. The country you deal with will in turn ignore all human rights violations, or say 'bad boy' and not do anything about it.

 

[Pabster]

The laugh is on you, OP, for thinking Russia ever was a Democracy.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Pabster
The laugh is on you, OP, for thinking Russia ever was a Democracy.

I agree with Pabster, and you know how that makes me crazy. Russia has NEVER been a democracy, they've never really had freedom or individual liberty, the very idea is not a part of Russian culture and experience, and never has been. They went from dictator to dictator, sometimes with different ideological justifications, but up until VERY recently, Russia has been ruled by an individual or a small group of people. And after the Cold War, their "experiment with democracy" was almost surely doomed to failure...they had nothing to base it on. Of course Putin is turning into the next dictator, it's all the Russians know!

 

[RightIsWrong]

Gee....you elect the former head of the KGB and then people act shocked when he runs the country as he did the agency.

 

[Pabster]

Man, you know something is strange when I agree with both Rainsford and RightIsWrong. :thumbsup:

 

[fleshconsumed]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Bullshit, the US doesn't meddle with Russias affairs, give me a good example of that happening.

Well, not in a direct way no, however it still puts pressure around Russian borders.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U...dential_election,_2004
I will concede both sides were trying to influence elections, however it's strange to see US being concerned about Ukraine elections which is on the opposite side of the globe. It was also interesting listening to mainstream media, in reality both countries were supporting regimes that would favor them, however, as usual in US media portrayed Russia as trying to install pro-Russian control while US was spreading democracy. Bullshit. Of course Russian media played the same tune only with sides reversed. However, the point is both sides Russia and US including play dirty.

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Putin will be prime minister and hold on to his power, that's the way it's going to be, Russia isn't really a democracy and definently not a nation that is going to prosper in the coming years, if you have more than one brain cell you know what that will mean.

You right, Russia isn't a democracy, it is a republic, just like US is.

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Russia is a threat to all surrounding nations and have proven this to be true a multitude of times.

Ignorance is bliss. Bay of Pigs, Cuba? Panama? Guatemala 1954?



EDIT: I'm not taking any sides, all I'm saying is that it's stupid taking high moral ground when there isn't any. Both sides play dirty.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Bullshit, the US doesn't meddle with Russias affairs, give me a good example of that happening.

Well, not in a direct way no, however it still puts pressure around Russian borders.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U...dential_election,_2004
I will concede both sides were trying to influence elections, however it's strange to see US being concerned about Ukraine elections which is on the opposite side of the globe. It was also interesting listening to mainstream media, in reality both countries were supporting regimes that would favor them, however, as usual in US media portrayed Russia as trying to install pro-Russian control while US was spreading democracy. Bullshit. Of course Russian media played the same tune only with sides reversed. However, the point is both sides Russia and US including play dirty.

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Putin will be prime minister and hold on to his power, that's the way it's going to be, Russia isn't really a democracy and definently not a nation that is going to prosper in the coming years, if you have more than one brain cell you know what that will mean.

You right, Russia isn't a democracy, it is a republic, just like US is.

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Russia is a threat to all surrounding nations and have proven this to be true a multitude of times.

Ignorance is bliss. Bay of Pigs, Cuba? Panama? Guatemala 1954?



EDIT: I'm not taking any sides, all I'm saying is that it's stupid taking high moral ground when there isn't any. Both sides play dirty.

First of all, son, i am not American and giving examples of what the US have done wrong i don't need you for, i'll do that myself, you forgot Iraq too.

In Russia the opposition is JAILED when trying to campagin, ask Kasparov about it if you'd like, in the US GW will not be involved in any position of political power after his term ends (thankfully) but Putin WILL remain in power through his party and his role as prime minister, the presidential election is a formality that won't matter at all because of this.

I'll take the moral high ground as i see fit, i don't pretend to represent anyone but myself and my opinions are my own.

So take all the stupid crap you're going to post in the manner of "they do it too" and shove it up your arse, it'll do more good there than in this thread.

 

[fleshconsumed]

Can't argue so you turn to insult? Good going there bud.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed
Can't argue so you turn to insult? Good going there bud.

Your insinuation that Russia is a "Republic" makes you laughable.

Russia is a Communist State, as it always has been, and will remain.

Anyone who believes it is (or ever was) any form of Democracy is naive to say the least.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed
Can't argue so you turn to insult? Good going there bud.

Actually, it's you that cannot argue which is why you chose not to.

"they do it too" is not an argument at all, is it?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed
Can't argue so you turn to insult? Good going there bud.

Your insinuation that Russia is a "Republic" makes you laughable.

Russia is a Communist State, as it always has been, and will remain.

Anyone who believes it is (or ever was) any form of Democracy is naive to say the least.

Just so you get this, democracy and communism are not opposites, it's entirely possible to have a capitalistic dictatorship (Pinochet) or a communistic democracy.

This isn't about communism at all, it's about the power of the government and Putin and his party specifically.

Russia is indeed a Republic, why you'd laugh about that i don't know, maybe you're just really daft

 

[StageLeft]

Yeah the place is going to sh*t again, not like it ever lost its stink, though. I do think, however, that the US should be more friendly. I think we've seen that when you threaten a nation, even if it's with something like a missile shield (which they reasonably feel threatened by), it's easy to unite the people of it against you.

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Pabster
The laugh is on you, OP, for thinking Russia ever was a Democracy.

I agree with Pabster, and you know how that makes me crazy. Russia has NEVER been a democracy, they've never really had freedom or individual liberty, the very idea is not a part of Russian culture and experience, and never has been. They went from dictator to dictator, sometimes with different ideological justifications, but up until VERY recently, Russia has been ruled by an individual or a small group of people. And after the Cold War, their "experiment with democracy" was almost surely doomed to failure...they had nothing to base it on. Of course Putin is turning into the next dictator, it's all the Russians know!

Well, no argument there about Russia not being a democracy right now. But I dunno if dictatorship is all Russian know. I mean there are journalist who are brave enough to go against the government and die for the cause they believe it. That's the first step to a real democracy, to have people who believe in it and sacrifice themselves for it. As long as Russia have people like that, they can become a democratic country. Maybe not the next 10~20 years, but maybe within a generation or two.