CNN doxxes Reddit user over Trump wrestling gif

[vi edit]

This is when things start getting dangerous...not just from a personal safety standpoint but from a freedom one.

http://thehill.com/homenews/media/3...eople-do-not-have-the-right-to-stay-anonymous

Take that one step past racism and sexism and turn it to partisan views. We start unmasking people by party affiliation and things get ugly real quick. We already had a case where Trump was trying to get twitter to reveal who some people were posting from "alt" accounts and they declined. Sometimes anonymity is a required tool to resist authoritarian demands.

 

[woolfe9998]

I didn't read all 11 pages so I may have missed this, but I was under the impression that a journalist wouldn't generally publish personal information unless there was a compelling public interest.

Is there a public interest in learning this guy's personal information? If so, why hasn't CNN published it yet? If not, why did they threaten to do so?

The threat, which was sort of implied, is really a bluff. They want to deter others from posting content which suggests violence toward the press. That appears to be their motive.

 

[woolfe9998]

No, it doesn't change my opinion. The guy is free to make a gif if he wants, he's free to his opinions, we can't shut down everything we don't like. This country is becoming more and more totalitarian and the push is coming from both sides (and of course both sides see themselves as the good guys).

If we threaten to doxx everyone in the internet who says something someone else thinks is bad or offensive the internet ceases to be a meetingplace for the exchange of ideas and will be nothing more than an echochamber where ideas and speech are silenced from fear of the repercussions.

Most on here are saying if you don't mean it don't post it, but if they were actually in a position where the anonymity they enjoy is going to be exposed I doubt they'd still think that. The repercussions from asking anonymous medical questions and now the insurance agency knows, women enjoying the internet without sexual harassment, people in more hostile countries expressing political opinions that could land them in trouble, or just a boss being a douche and not agreeing with you so you're fired.

Big slippery slope that we don't need to go down

I hardly think one implied threat to possibly doxx someone is a slippery slope to mass unmaskings for a variety of different reasons.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Slippery_slope

 

[blankslate]

CNN needs to stick to picking on people in power and improving its reporting standards so that it doesn't have to let reporters go over a questionable story.
http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/26/media/cnn-announcement-retracted-article/index.html

Three CNN journalists, including the executive editor in charge of a new investigative unit, have resigned after the publication of a Russia-related article that was retracted.
Thomas Frank, who wrote the story in question; Eric Lichtblau, an editor in the unit; and Lex Haris, who oversaw the unit, have all left CNN.


"In the aftermath of the retraction of a story published on CNN.com, CNN has accepted the resignations of the employees involved in the story's publication," a spokesman said Monday evening.

An internal investigation by CNN management found that some standard editorial processes were not followed when the article was published, people briefed on the results of the investigation said.

Three CNN journalists, including the executive editor in charge of a new investigative unit, have resigned after the publication of a Russia-related article that was retracted. Thomas Frank, who wrote the story in question; Eric Lichtblau, an editor in the unit; and Lex Haris, who oversaw the unit, have all left CNN. "In the aftermath of the retraction of a story published on CNN.com, CNN has accepted the resignations of the employees involved in the story's publication," a spokesman said Monday evening. An internal investigation by CNN management found that some standard editorial processes were not followed when the article was published, people briefed on the results of the investigation said.

Funny how some are ok with a large organization going after some guy who edited a video.

They'd probably lose their shit if Fox News suggested they knew the identity of someone who edited a video so that the Fox logo was on someone getting beat up and suggested that the person who edited the hypothetical video should behave from now on....


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[vi edit]

CNN needs to stick to picking on people in power and improving its reporting standards so that it doesn't have to let reporters go over a questionable story.

Funny how some are ok with a large organization going after some guy who edited a video.

They'd probably lose their shit if Fox News suggested they knew the identity of someone who edited a video so that the Fox logo was on someone getting beat up and suggested that the person who edited the hypothetical video should behave from now on....


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About that...

http://www.businessinsider.com/lou-dobbs-trump-accuser-twitter-2016-10

 

[blankslate]

About that...

http://www.businessinsider.com/lou-dobbs-trump-accuser-twitter-2016-10

About that...

http://www.businessinsider.com/lou-dobbs-trump-accuser-twitter-2016-10

Both CNN and Lou Dobbs are shitbags in this regard I'm glad you agree with me....


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[Thebobo]

And now this, and of course they are pro Twitler. Soon to be called Twitler Youth.

A Pro-Trump Neo-Nazi Group Just Threatened The Children Of CNN Reporters

http://washingtonjournal.com/2017/0...group-just-threatened-children-cnn-reporters/

 

[woolfe9998]

Both CNN and Lou Dobbs are shitbags in this regard I'm glad you agree with me....


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Oh yeah, great analogy there. In CNN's case, they merely threaten to do it to someone who is a total dirt bag, while in Dobbs' case, he actually does it to someone who is a probable victim of Trump's lechery.

 

[blankslate]

Oh yeah, great analogy there. In CNN's case, they merely threaten to do it to someone who is a total dirt bag, while in Dobbs' case, he actually does it to someone who is a probable victim of Trump's lechery.

you have two relatively powerful entities/persons going after a single person (likely in the case of the video editor) who is much less powerful than them....
Yes even threatening to release the personal information of the video editor makes CNN a shitbag.

Sorry but not sorry if you can't see that.


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[woolfe9998]

you have two relatively powerful entities/persons going after a single person (likely in the case of the video editor) who is much less powerful than them....
Yes even threatening to release the personal information of the video editor makes CNN a shitbag.

Sorry but not sorry if you can't see that.


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While I do not entirely agree, I can understand your objection to CNN's conduct. I just don't see it as being in the same league as Dobbs. This asshole who posts a steady diet of the worst kind of hate propaganda on social media has to live in fear, for a brief time, that he may be exposed. So sad. While a likely victim of sexual assault is actually exposed. I have no sympathy for the former. I do for the latter.

 

[UglyCasanova]

But do you hate/fear Muslims? Many of the people defending this guy do hate Muslims. Would their opinion change?

No I don't hate or fear Muslims. I recognize they have some problems they need to sort out but that wouldn't change my opinion on this issue.

 

[Blackjack200]

The threat, which was sort of implied, is really a bluff. They want to deter others from posting content which suggests violence toward the press. That appears to be their motive.

I'm not sure how it matters if the threat was implied or explicit. Either way it seems to have been received by its target and had its effect. So is doxxing (or threatening to dox) the right way to handle someone posting something that you don't like?

What is CNN, or any other organization, hoping will occur as a result of the dox? Loss of employment? Threats and harassment?

 

[woolfe9998]

I'm not sure how it matters if the threat was implied or explicit. Either way it seems to have been received by its target and had its effect. So is doxxing (or threatening to dox) the right way to handle someone posting something that you don't like?

What is CNN, or any other organization, hoping will occur as a result of the dox? Loss of employment? Threats and harassment?

Nothing, I assume. The only thing that happens to him is to worry about exposure. He isn't the point though. As I've now said repeatedly, CNN's point is to deter others from encouraging violence toward the press. Given Trump's vicious anti-press rhetoric and the body slamming of that reporter in Montana, I think CNN has reason to be concerned, even if you disapprove of this tactic.

Since you skipped most of the thread, are you aware of this guy's posting history, beyond just the video meme he created?

https://www.adl.org/blog/analysis-o...responsibility-for-president-trumps-cnn-video

I'm not buying this notion that he is the poor downtrodden little guy. If he has to sweat a little for awhile, too bad.

 

[Jhhnn]

This is when things start getting dangerous...not just from a personal safety standpoint but from a freedom one.

http://thehill.com/homenews/media/3...eople-do-not-have-the-right-to-stay-anonymous

Take that one step past racism and sexism and turn it to partisan views. We start unmasking people by party affiliation and things get ugly real quick. We already had a case where Trump was trying to get twitter to reveal who some people were posting from "alt" accounts and they declined. Sometimes anonymity is a required tool to resist authoritarian demands.

Alt-right assholes have trolled us for years while claiming to be all for personal responsibility. Confronted with the reality of showing some they whine for the anonymity that enables their shit to fly.

I'm not in favor of ISP's or anybody being forced to turn over information, nor am I in favor of them being able to do it for profit, either, as Repubs have enabled.

OTOH, if you want to troll anonymously you need to do it better than this guy did.

The best part of it all Is how the guy describes his own trolling, as an addiction-

To people who troll on the Internet for fun, consider your words and actions conveyed in your message and who it might upset or anger. Put yourself in their shoes before you post it. If you have a problem with trolling it is an addiction just like any other addiction someone can have to something and don't be embarrassed to ask for help. Trolling is nothing more than bullying a wide audience. Don't feed your own self-worth based upon inflicting suffering upon others online just because you are behind a keyboard.

It's all about the compulsion to be an asshole & drinking the delicious liberal tears.

 

[Blackjack200]

Nothing, I assume. The only thing that happens to him is to worry about exposure. He isn't the point though. As I've now said repeatedly, CNN's point is to deter others from encouraging violence toward the press. Given Trump's vicious anti-press rhetoric and the body slamming of that reporter in Montana, I think CNN has reason to be concerned, even if you disapprove of this tactic.

Isn't it illegal to incite violence? If that's what CNN's motivation was, why not handle this through a formal legal process? I understand CNN's concern with Trump's rhetoric, but they should keep those concerns between them and the President.

Since you skipped most of the thread, are you aware of this guy's posting history, beyond just the video meme he created?

https://www.adl.org/blog/analysis-o...responsibility-for-president-trumps-cnn-video

I'm not buying this notion that he is the poor downtrodden little guy. If he has to sweat a little for awhile, too bad.

I'm no fan of the ADL, but everything I've seen thus far suggests he's a complete piece of shit.

 

[blankslate]

While I do not entirely agree, I can understand your objection to CNN's conduct. I just don't see it as being in the same league as Dobbs. This asshole who posts a steady diet of the worst kind of hate propaganda on social media has to live in fear, for a brief time, that he may be exposed. So sad. While a likely victim of sexual assault is actually exposed. I have no sympathy for the former. I do for the latter.

Yes while they're both assholes Lou Dobbs is the bigger asshole. I still object to CNN going after the personal information of the guy who edited the wrestling video then holding it over his head.

Especially when CNN gladly gave free advertising to Trump during the primary for the ratings just like the other cable news companies.



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[Blackjack200]

Yes while they're both assholes Lou Dobbs is the bigger asshole. I still object to CNN going after the personal information of the guy who edited the wrestling video then holding it over his head.

Especially when CNN gladly gave free advertising to Trump during the primary for the ratings just like the other cable news companies.



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Right, I think anyone pointing out that this guy is a piece of shit should also point out that CNN is a horribly shitty media company that has no issue hiring shills and liars and putting them on the air.

 

[woolfe9998]

Isn't it illegal to incite violence? If that's what CNN's motivation was, why not handle this through a formal legal process? I understand CNN's concern with Trump's rhetoric, but they should keep those concerns between them and the President.

No, fortunately, incitement is a very narrow exception to the First Amendment. The violence advocated must be "intended, likely and imminent" according to the Brandenburg test. IIRC, that case involved someone making a general threat of "revenge" against the government while at a Klan rally where people were actually armed, and the SCOTUS said that prosecuting him violates the First Amendment.

No chance of a legal remedy here. Which is entirely the point. No one wants government censorship. But public shaming has always been an option for countering offensive speech. Some of us have just decided to treat internet speech as an exception where people are supposed to be shame proof, such that there are literally never any consequences to hateful and offensive speech.

I'm no fan of the ADL, but everything I've seen thus far suggests he's a complete piece of shit.

No need to be a fan. You can just read the tweets they quoted. They are quoted elsewhere. If you haven't read them, you should. This isn't even ordinary bigotry. It really doesn't get much worse than this.

 

[Thebobo]

Right, I think anyone pointing out that this guy is a piece of shit should also point out that CNN is a horribly shitty media company that has no issue hiring shills and liars and putting them on the air.

But its not a shitty media company that's Fox

 

[jackstar7]

No I don't hate or fear Muslims. I recognize they have some problems they need to sort out but that wouldn't change my opinion on this issue.

Wow. This is amazingly condescending.

 

[woolfe9998]

But its not a shitty media company that's Fox

We're never going to agree on who are the shittiest media companies. It's likely going to depend on one's political orientation. However, I fail to see how one's assessment of CNN's reporting is really at issue here. What is at issue is that people are claiming that this is Big Media victimizing the little guy, but the "little guy" is making Auschwitz jokes while advocating the genocide of Muslims. Among other things.

 

[UglyCasanova]

SCOTUS said that prosecuting him violates the First Amendment.

So if the Supreme Court says that he is within his First Amendment rights should CNN to decide to threaten him over it? I would think using coercion and threats to deny someone their constitutional rights would result in some serious legal trouble for CNN..?

 

[UglyCasanova]

Wow. This is amazingly condescending.

So are 99% of the posts on this forum, sorry I'm not PC. They do have problems. I don't hate them.

 

[Roflmouth]

Nothing, I assume. The only thing that happens to him is to worry about exposure. He isn't the point though. As I've now said repeatedly, CNN's point is to deter others from encouraging violence toward the press. Given Trump's vicious anti-press rhetoric and the body slamming of that reporter in Montana, I think CNN has reason to be concerned, even if you disapprove of this tactic.

Since you skipped most of the thread, are you aware of this guy's posting history, beyond just the video meme he created?

https://www.adl.org/blog/analysis-o...responsibility-for-president-trumps-cnn-video

I'm not buying this notion that he is the poor downtrodden little guy. If he has to sweat a little for awhile, too bad.

The best part is that you'll no doubt expect others to feel empathy for you sometime in your life

 

[jackstar7]

So are 99% of the posts on this forum, sorry I'm not PC. They do have problems. I don't hate them.

Ha! Calling it PC is brilliant.