CNN doxxes Reddit user over Trump wrestling gif

[Azuma Hazuki]

I don't like the precedent this sets though. It's not between equal players here, for one thing. For another, what is to stop Faux Noise from doing something similar, pre-emptively, on a massive scale?

 

[Jaskalas]

Of course if a creator of those macho gifs got a call from CNN, he'd need new underpants.

You support attacking people who make silly little GIFs on the internet?

 

[Blackjack200]

I'm all for protecting the little guy against either government or private power, but the free speech guaranty crafted by the founding fathers was never intended to make speech 100% free of consequences. CNN's conduct is legal, because there is no guaranty of anonymity for public speech. The idea that we own the speech we make is not antithetical to free speech. With freedom comes responsibility. The responsibility aspect of it has been excised in the digital age. While I agree we need the anonymity, this is a rather unfortunate consequence of it.

I don't understand the Calvinist obsession with consequences. The guy made a gif and shared it on a message board. Yes, the message board was open to the public, but in practical terms, it was only used by a small group of people. The consequences that the guy faced should have been limited to that group, or do you think that privacy is a luxury that should only be enjoyed by those savvy enough to protect it?

I would if I saw it as an inevitable slippery slope, but I do not. I don't buy slippery slope arguments unless there is good reason to view this as anything other than an isolated case. While I can see this happening from time to time, and indeed, it already has (see Lou Dobbs), I have no reason to believe that this will suddenly become common behavior.

It is is not a slippery slope argument because I'm not imagining the next worst thing that could happen. I'm simply imagining what has happened here happening again and again. That requires no slope whatsoever.

I do not agree. It's the reddit shitheads who are mostly likely to start shooting at reporters, whether they are encouraged to do so by Trump, or by other reddit shitheads.

And if someone is inciting violence, threatening violence, or committing violence, they should be stopped by the law, not vigilante media companies.

I only know the theory of deterrence. I do not know, nor can I predict, the actual consequences. If it doesn't accomplish anything positive, then I presume this is the last we'll see of this tactic.

I guess that depends on what is seen as positive. If the behavior on Reddit changes to avoid calling out CNN specifically, but everything else is the same, I wouldn't consider that positive, though I think CNN might.

I think advocating the extermination of every last Muslim on the planet is beyond "standard pepe" stuff. It's beyond even what you'll typically see on stormfront. YMMV.

His comments don't strike me anything special as far as the alt right goes. Seriously, I see versions of some of that shit on this very board, and certainly the rest of it on other boards with poorer moderation.

 

[senseamp]

You support attacking people who make silly little GIFs on the internet?

He did not just make silly gifs, he called for genocide of Muslims, attacked Asians, Jews, etc, and called for "doxing" and physical attacks on liberals. I don't think he should be physically attacked, but I also don't think he is entitled to anonymity. CNN should not be covering from him.
Also, antisemitic propaganda was called silly too. Until it wasn't.

 

[J.Wilkins]

He also said he was sorry for making it which I don't believe for a second. The guy didn't have a change of heart and say "oh what have I done, i'm a troll! i'm so ashamed!", he was under pressure not to have the national spotlight on him because...well, he's probably just a normal person and it was obviously a charged political situation. Sure he'll say he never felt threatened to play ball, he doesn't want to be doxxed.

And yeah they never doxxed him but honestly I think that would be way less controversial than what they did do. If they just went out and said this is who made it, well that's news being news. Laying out demands and saying they reserve the right to if he doesn't do what they say makes it a threat, thus here we are.

He made the apology before even talking to CNN, it is certainly possible that the anonymous coward got scared shitless when CNN tried to contact him though but that is on him.

HE made contact with CNN after the apology.

CNN claims that it wasn't intended as a threat and HanassholeSolo said that he was never threatened.

 

[J.Wilkins]

Is this some sort of joke or something? They didn't threaten? What the fuck do you call it when they stated they will release his information if he retracts the apology?

You can't hate this meme so much that you're willing to agree to this? Ahh what am I kidding, you do and it's sad.

They hired private investigators for this shit because they are a fucking joke. They threatened him and deserve all the hate that comes upon them.

And for you? I expect nothing less than your bullshit. If this was foxnews you would be having an orgasm in reaction to it.

They expressly said that it wasn't intended as a threat and HanassholeSolo expressly said that he didn't perceive it as a threat but we should ignore that and go with your feelings?

It is entirely possible that you and I don't know as much about this as CNN and HanassholeSolo does so perhaps we should listen to both of them when they agree that there was no threat?

 

[J.Wilkins]

I give up, the Alt Right version has been elevated to fact regardless of reality and no one gives a fuck what either CNN or HanassholeSolo, who should be the one to know if he was threatened or not, has to say about it.

I'm out.

 

[Grooveriding]

Trump is the US president and threatens and attacks people on Twitter all the time. He sets the example for his fanatics. He's a degenerate and his hardcore cultist supporters are degenerates. Play stupid games, you win stupid prizes.

 

[TheVrolok]

I give up, the Alt Right version has been elevated to fact regardless of reality and no one gives a fuck what either CNN or HanassholeSolo, who should be the one to know if he was threatened or not, has to say about it.

I'm out.

You will never win when you're speaking with a group that believes everything is a conspiracy. It's simply not possible.

 

[Roflmouth]

Again, they didn't fucking doxx anyone and they didn't fucking threaten to doxx anyone either.

They absolutely threatened to dox him. Your tears of rage won't change that:

CNN reserves the right to publish his identity should any of that change.

There it is, in black and white.

I've posted links earlier to the twitter feed where this was covered and BOTH CNN and HanassholeSolo agreed that it was not a threat and he said that he never felt threatened.

Yes, his totally, not-at-all coerced apology and clarification are perfectly believable.

CNN fucked up and they're now reaping the whirlwind. Sorry this has you so out of sorts

 

[Roflmouth]

Well what we do know is that Trump himself is beyond shame. Ordinary people are usually not. Read this guy's apology, where he claims not to be a racist. I would assume that he is not this overtly racist in real life. Maybe his wife doesn't even know he's this much of a pig. He doesn't want to be outed because he's embarrassed about what he wrote. He's faced with the prospect of owning his own words and this terrifies him. Trolls only flourish because of the anonymity of the internet.

I don't want anyone actually being outed,

Sure you do, liar. At least be honest about your love affair with authoritarianism.

 

[Jhhnn]

Is this some sort of joke or something? They didn't threaten? What the fuck do you call it when they stated they will release his information if he retracts the apology?

You can't hate this meme so much that you're willing to agree to this? Ahh what am I kidding, you do and it's sad.

They hired private investigators for this shit because they are a fucking joke. They threatened him and deserve all the hate that comes upon them.

And for you? I expect nothing less than your bullshit. If this was foxnews you would be having an orgasm in reaction to it.

And... there you go, spewing hate as usual because another hateful troll gets his comeuppance. Don't look at me- your hero, the Donald, set him up for it. CNN likely wouldn't have done shit if the Hair Furor hadn't tweeted it.

 

[Roflmouth]

I may not agree with what CNN did/is doing here, but if I was on the right, I'd be disowning this clown as fast as I could. But who knows, maybe the broader right is more okay with his message than I realized...

LOL, like anyone reading this doesn't know what you think of the "broader right."

 

[Roflmouth]

Haters gonna hate. Most people don't give a shit about a violence advocating racist being exposed or threatened with exposure to force some much needed self reflection. Kudos to CNN for making the asshole their bitch.

Yeah, I'm sure CNN employees are real happy about the consequences of their actions here

 

[jackstar7]

And... there you go, spewing hate as usual because another hateful troll gets his comeuppance. Don't look at me- your hero, the Donald, set him up for it. CNN likely wouldn't have done shit if the Hair Furor hadn't tweeted it.

I'm willing to say it is a fact that had the gif not been made an Official Statement of the White House that CNN would never have given a shit.

Evidence? They don't seem to give a shit about all the new memes out there now.

 

[Roflmouth]

He did not just make silly gifs, he called for genocide of Muslims, attacked Asians, Jews, etc, and called for "doxing" and physical attacks on liberals. I don't think he should be physically attacked,

Sure you do.

but I also don't think he is entitled to anonymity. CNN should not be covering from him.
Also, antisemitic propaganda was called silly too. Until it wasn't.

Yes, it starts with reddit posts and ends with gas ovens. That's something a not-insane idiot would ever imply.

 

[Jhhnn]

Sure you do, liar. At least be honest about your love affair with authoritarianism.

Authoritarianism is a term for government. You know, like Trump's friends & supporters in the Kremlin, Philippines & so forth.

 

[Roflmouth]

Authoritarianism is a term for government.

Wrong again.

 

[Thebobo]

I'm willing to say it is a fact that had the gif not been made an Official Statement of the White House that CNN would never having given a shit.

Evidence? They don't seem to give a shit about all the new memes out there now.

You hit the nail smack on the head. It's all Trumps fault, no one else's, not CNNs not the bozo who made it, no one else's but Trump.

 

[soundforbjt]

Anyone seen Bucky since this happened?

 

[Jhhnn]

Anyone seen Bucky since this happened?

Bucky's been banned or was faking it when he whined about his IP being blocked.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Wrong again.

"Political scientists use the term authoritarianism to describe a way of governing that values order and control over personal freedom. A government run by authoritarianism is usually headed by a dictator.

The noun authoritarianism is most often used in a negative context, to describe a government with absolute control over the population. This kind of government uses military threats, suppression of a free press, and disinformation to manage the people over whom it rules. Many people consider China to be an example of an authoritarian government today. The word itself can be traced back to the Latin auctor, "master, leader, or author."

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/authoritarianism

 

[senseamp]

Sure you do.



Yes, it starts with reddit posts and ends with gas ovens. That's something a not-insane idiot would ever imply.

Protocols of the elders of zion, antisemitic caricatures, and other unanswered and ignored hate lead to the gas ovens. Germans didn't just go from pragmatic to murderous for no reason.

 

[Jhhnn]

Wrong again.

Oh, yeh- his entourage commented on how nice it was that there were no protesters in Riyadh, either, cuz Chop! & all that.

Just remember- the Free Media is the enemy of the people. The Supreme Leader has spoken.

 

[woolfe9998]

I'm in the odd position of defending a point made by someone who called me a liar, but he's correct that the concept of authoritarianism is broader than just government.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/authoritarianism?s=t

Certainly, individuals and corporate entities can have attitudes and display behaviors which are authoritarian. You can call it something else when not applied to government, but whatever word you use will have substantially the same meaning.

I just don't think that legally threatening to tell the truth about someone is necessarily an authoritarian act.