CNN Money names T-Mobile as Tech Company of the year; Investors not happy

Bateluer

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http://money.cnn.com/2014/12/24/technology/mobile/tmobile-tech-company-of-year/?google_editors_picks

As a result, the company is growing at an alarming rate. T-Mobile already added more than 3.5 million customers this year, more than any other carrier. The pink carrier commands about 18% of the wireless market, up from 11% at the beginning of the year. Nearly a third of new wireless customers or people switching their cell phone service are choosing T-Mobile.

Yet T-Mobile's moves have been unpopular with shareholders -- the stock is down 21% this year, way more than Verizon and AT&T's far more modest swoons. Much of that has to do with the fact that T-Mobile failed to strike a merger with potential suitors Sprint or Dish (DISH). But shares also suffered as investors worried about how the marketing campaign affected T-Mobile's profit.

"The managerial histrionics that have played so well with consumers have worn thin with investors, who fear that T-Mobile is putting growth above profitability," noted Craig Moffett, senior analyst at MoffettNathanson Research.

Hmm, after watching investors and idiotic leadership run company after company into the ground, perhaps they should stick with the pro consumer strategy for a while longer.
 

RaistlinZ

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^ I agree. Investors only seem to care about "this quarter's earnings", which leads to CEO's making bad decisions.

Gaining as much market share as possible is a good long term strategy. Profitability will follow. Investors need to STFU.
 

Strk

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^ I agree. Investors only seem to care about "this quarter's earnings", which leads to CEO's making bad decisions.

Gaining as much market share as possible is a good long term strategy. Profitability will follow. Investors need to STFU.

That pretty much sums it up. Investors don't really care if you tank the company as long as they do well for the quarter.
 

shortylickens

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they take care of their customers. Of course the shareholders are angry at them.


BUT, think of it this way: If they tried playing Verizons game they would not be able to compete. So maybe this is better anyway.
 

jav3

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Gaining as much market share as possible is a good long term strategy. Profitability will follow. Investors need to STFU.

I STRONGLY disagree. This is another example of the "we'll make it up on volume" that nearly destroyed the auto supply base. Many investors do tend to be short term thinkers. But a company still needs a profitable strategy, not just grow share. Market share != profit

Jeff
 

crashtestdummy

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There's a risk when you make an aggressive play for market share that you turn the industry into one where it's hard for anyone to make a profit (see: Amazon). In this case though, T-Mobile wasn't making any money in the old model, either. If the FCC weren't going to let them merge with another player, the only real option was to shake up the market.



As a consumer, I'm tremendously thankful. My service bill this year was less than half of what it would have been under the old model.
 

Bateluer

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I STRONGLY disagree. This is another example of the "we'll make it up on volume" that nearly destroyed the auto supply base. Many investors do tend to be short term thinkers. But a company still needs a profitable strategy, not just grow share. Market share != profit

Jeff

TMO has gained over 4 million new customers sending them money every month since mid 2013. If the average bill is 50/month, thats 200 million dollars extra cash. Per month.
 

blankslate

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Companies being beholden to shareholders who look at short term quarterly gains instead of taking a long game view harms more than it helps...

Hopefully T-mobile doesn't kowtow to the shortsighted ones.


....
 

rcpratt

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TMO has gained over 4 million new customers sending them money every month since mid 2013. If the average bill is 50/month, thats 200 million dollars extra cash. Per month.
If only it was that simple.
 

npaladin-2000

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T-Mobile is a great long-term play right now, they're making the moves they need to be competitive with AT&T and Verizon nationally on a large scale. Long term, that's great for investors AND consumers. However, that means a short-term loss in shareholder profits and value.

The long-term investors probably aren't complaining much. Just the ones looking for a relatively quick buck.
 

ultimatebob

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T-Mobile is a great long-term play right now, they're making the moves they need to be competitive with AT&T and Verizon nationally on a large scale. Long term, that's great for investors AND consumers. However, that means a short-term loss in shareholder profits and value.

The long-term investors probably aren't complaining much. Just the ones looking for a relatively quick buck.

I just wish that they put more money into their network and a bit less on advertising.

Verizon might be pure evil, but at least you can get cell service from them in rural areas.
 

MarkLuvsCS

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I just wish that they put more money into their network and a bit less on advertising.

Verizon might be pure evil, but at least you can get cell service from them in rural areas.

The CEO did mention in their latest uncarrier movement (not the specifics but mentioned it's coming and will have its own major announcement) that they were going to switch their current 2g/edge network over to LTE and expect most of it to be complete by the end of next year. He also mentioned their wideband expansion for better penetration in large cities.

Considering how fast they went from a barely LTE network, to nearly all major cities LTE in about a year to a year and a half, I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.

No matter what carrier you have, you can all probably agree t-mobile is the one truly making strides in changing how the system works. Look at all the bundle deals some of these companies are now offering, when they wanted to rip you off for 1gb or 2gb of data before. They've all had to adjust to t-mobile making some big waves in the industry, and that's just great for us consumers.
 

A5

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I just wish that they put more money into their network and a bit less on advertising.

Verizon might be pure evil, but at least you can get cell service from them in rural areas.

TMo is dumping tons of money into buying regional chunks of 700 MHz spectrum for this exact purpose. Takes time, though.
 

Dari

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There's a risk when you make an aggressive play for market share that you turn the industry into one where it's hard for anyone to make a profit (see: Amazon). In this case though, T-Mobile wasn't making any money in the old model, either. If the FCC weren't going to let them merge with another player, the only real option was to shake up the market.



As a consumer, I'm tremendously thankful. My service bill this year was less than half of what it would have been under the old model.

That's how it should be, in theory, for every industry. Many firms selling items at cost. Bad for shareholders but good for consumers and the economy (low prices and high employment).
 
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I just wish that they put more money into their network and a bit less on advertising.

Verizon might be pure evil, but at least you can get cell service from them in rural areas.
I really find that whole rural argument to be meaningless. Are so many of you guys from rural areas that coverage is an issue? I mean AT&T claims to cover 99% of the population. Even if that 1% is not covered, what % of that 1% actually surfs tech forums.

I have carried an VZW iPhone and AT&T Android phone for some time now, and only very few cases has the VZW coverage been a factor. And there are just as many places where VZW sucks balls too (i.e. Manhattan)
 

Commodus

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T-Mobile's issue in the boonies is just that it only recently had the financial clout and spectrum to make rural deployments (at least for reasonably fast data) practical. Verizon hasn't had to play catch up at all.

Also, I have to commend T-Mobile for refusing to kowtow to investors' short-term greed, so long as its strategy is sustainable. Reminds me of Apple CEO Tim Cook telling a right wing investor group that he "doesn't consider the bloody ROI" (return on investment) when thinking about the environment... there are times when you should be aware that profit isn't everything.
 

lupi

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this week I'm spending it out in the boonies. since there is no internet I'm managing to pull a H+ hot spot as my only decent connection (otherwise it would be edge usb tether, loving the retro 80's dialup).

I do live when I call up and at some point I get the "and I see you've been a member for, oh well you're really one of our most valued customers thank you for your support."

Between the money they've gotten from AT&T and not paying phone subsidizes, service has been getting better in the places I travel (never an issue at home other than not one of the first markets for LTE).
 

ultimatebob

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I really find that whole rural argument to be meaningless. Are so many of you guys from rural areas that coverage is an issue? I mean AT&T claims to cover 99% of the population. Even if that 1% is not covered, what % of that 1% actually surfs tech forums.

I have carried an VZW iPhone and AT&T Android phone for some time now, and only very few cases has the VZW coverage been a factor. And there are just as many places where VZW sucks balls too (i.e. Manhattan)

I come from a rural area that I visit for the holidays, so it's a problem.
 

foghorn67

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I really find that whole rural argument to be meaningless. Are so many of you guys from rural areas that coverage is an issue? I mean AT&T claims to cover 99% of the population. Even if that 1% is not covered, what % of that 1% actually surfs tech forums.

I have carried an VZW iPhone and AT&T Android phone for some time now, and only very few cases has the VZW coverage been a factor. And there are just as many places where VZW sucks balls too (i.e. Manhattan)
VZW just plain rocks in the rural southwest.
My previous job had me our help our field engineers throughout the country. We were part of a bigger conglomerate company that made decisions for their child companies without thinking it through, ever. One of those was switching our entire company within the US from VZW to ATT.
We actually risked loosing a few clients because we couldn't respond within our contractual time frame. We went around corporate and gave stipends to engineers using their personal phones.
 
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The CEO did mention in their latest uncarrier movement (not the specifics but mentioned it's coming and will have its own major announcement) that they were going to switch their current 2g/edge network over to LTE and expect most of it to be complete by the end of next year. He also mentioned their wideband expansion for better penetration in large cities.

Considering how fast they went from a barely LTE network, to nearly all major cities LTE in about a year to a year and a half, I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.

No matter what carrier you have, you can all probably agree t-mobile is the one truly making strides in changing how the system works. Look at all the bundle deals some of these companies are now offering, when they wanted to rip you off for 1gb or 2gb of data before. They've all had to adjust to t-mobile making some big waves in the industry, and that's just great for us consumers.

Am I wrong in thinking that with the changes to the wireless tech, and the carriers all moving to similar will actually help T-Mobile big time as the areas they don't have their own towers people will be better covered in roaming? Verizon especially moving in line with AT&T. I know it'll kinda depend on device (and does big time as well as other issues right now like software lockouts, etc), but once LTE and beyond becomes the base norm, then I'd expect we'll see devices support more bands standard, and then won't people be able to roam a lot better?
 

paperwastage

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but once LTE and beyond becomes the base norm, then I'd expect we'll see devices support more bands standard, and then won't people be able to roam a lot better?

Good luck getting the carriers to play nice with LTE bands. A lot of the phones released by carriers only with that carriers' specific bands. It costs money to certify/design more LTE bands, so there is some cost issue, but mostly greed.

Only exceptions would be manufacturers unwilling to bend to carrier modifications and only release one model with all bands (eg apple iPhone, google nexus)

There can be some overlap: I believe att/Verizon/T-Mobile hold and will use bands 2/4. T-Mobile's band 12 phones can roam on Att's sband 17. Sprint is just SOL,and I hope their new equipment policies will try to be more consumer friendly(yeah... Probably not going to happen)
 
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