CNN Panel: Kanye West a "token negro" and "is what happens when negros don't read"

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Vic

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Trump also had to be talked out of invading Venezuela so there’s that.
His response to almost every foreign policy issue has been saber rattling, but somehow he's anti-war. Just like how in 2016 he was an anti-Wall Street populist!
 

Jhhnn

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I would suggest Clinton buried herself, the breakpoint being the outing of collusion within DNC leadership and the media to railroad Bernie.

I would suggest that merely repeating the FUD doesn't make it not FUD. The Democratic primaries & caucuses were honestly conducted. Participants were free to vote for their candidate. Bernie got his shot. He just didn't win.
 

fskimospy

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His response to almost every foreign policy issue has been saber rattling, but somehow he's anti-war. Just like how in 2016 he was an anti-Wall Street populist!

Yes, I remember during the 2016 campaign people were saying they were for Trump because Hillary was a war hawk who wanted to bomb Syria. Trump the peacenik on the other hand said he wanted to invade Syria with 30,000 ground troops, haha.
 

Vic

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I would suggest that merely repeating the FUD doesn't make it not FUD. The Democratic primaries & caucuses were honestly conducted. Participants were free to vote for their candidate. Bernie got his shot. He just didn't win.
Bernie lost the Democratic nomination by more votes than Trump won the Republican nomination.
 

Josephus312

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Bernie lost the Democratic nomination by more votes than Trump won the Republican nomination.

Yeah the truth is that Bernie has a past that would have lost him the popular vote as well as the electoral vote with a massive margin. Out of the two Hillary, believe it or not, was the one with the least damaging baggage.

Now if Comey hadn't made that last statement, she probably would have won too but as he did, she didn't.

Even now people think she was corrupt as hell and keep going on about issues that have long since been proven wrong and just fake news from Fox and fuckbuddies.
 

pauldun170

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Don Lemon on Kanye's performance at the Whitehouse-

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics...-kanye-west-trump-oval-office-tsr-vpx-sot.cnn

He thinks Kanye needs help. I figure he's right.

from cnn
Here are some ideas West raised:
  • Bring Trump factories and Yeezy ideation centers to Chicago.
  • His MAGA hat makes him feel like a superhero.
  • Make the dopest ... no the "flyest" cars.
  • School is boring. Kids should play basketball while they are doing math.
  • Time doesn't exist.
  • Stop worrying about the future. We only have today.
  • Trump and Colin Kaepernick wearing "Make America Great" hats at the Super Bowl.
  • Stop-and-frisk is bad.
  • The solution to police brutality is love.
  • Something about an Iplane.
  • Opening up industries and tax breaks.
  • Something about liberals distracting black people by focusing on racism.
 

HomerJS

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Kanye West supports Donald Trump and gets harassed and bullied. If he supported Clinton or Sanders then all the media outlets would be praising what a great guy he is for lending his time to the democratic process.
I hate to flatten that lie cake you are trying to cook but we all thought Kanye was a jackass BEFORE he started supporting Trump. That just confirmed it.
 
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HomerJS

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I too can see how the Democrats appealed to many African Americans. But it is silly that it is actually news if a black celeb openly endorses a Republican. And the leftists in power don't care for that, not those in the media or Hollywood.
Democrats have appealed more to blacks since the Southern Strategy. Your ignorance is showing again.

As far as black Republicans go Colin Powell had an overwhelming majority of respect amongst Democrats so you can bury that lie as well.
 

FelixDeCat

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And yet Democrats are going to lose badly in November.

Carry on, guys. Your strategy is working.
 

dawp

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And yet Democrats are going to lose badly in November.

Carry on, guys. Your strategy is working.
keep telling yourself that if it make you happy. that is not what really happening.
 
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Schmide

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I will admit. This is the first time I felt sorry for Trump. He's crazy, but not that crazy.
 

BrandonT

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Are you being serious right now? It is self evidently true because a lot of the people who voted in 2016 weren’t 18 in 2008 and a bunch who were 18 are now dead.

Regardless, it’s pretty obvious the electorate changed.


How. Is. It. Meaningful. To the Outcome? Show me a survey of the Rust Belt - that decided the election - and how they are more racist in '16 than they were in '08. It's a very simple request, and the only one that matters, because in states where the IS higher racism they were already voting Republican. Who cares whether voters are driven by race, religion, or belief in aliens, when those numbers stay basically the same and therefore don't explain why two elections have differing results.

If Trump isn't part of the War Party then why does he keep increasing military spending? Why does he keep troops on the ground in several different countries? Why does he pander to various military and defense industry groups? Why are his staunchest supporters those 'conservatives' who constantly claim that if you don't support fighting endless and expensive foreign wars, then that means you must hate our troops and America? Why does Trump say exactly that on a regular basis? Why is Trump still gutting the middle class and still setting half the world on fire, with no hint of stopping?

I am a classical liberal who has read and cherishes Jefferson, Locke, and Mill. You're just full of shit. Self-serving liars like you are the reason I stopped calling myself a libertarian.

Trump certainly does seem to have been co-opted by the MIC and possibly the rest of War Party, sure. He doesn't have the intellectual firepower or ideals to stand his ground. And he's such a reactionary to any perceived insult he'll be easy to maneuver into almost any conflict the War Party wants. But that is not the platform he campaigned on is it? No it wasn't, that is why you had clowns like McCain, Graham, and (behind the seens) Brennen trying to bury him.

Is that not true? Or am I just full of shit as you say?
 

umbrella39

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#walkaway #walkaway right towards the back of their pickup trucks ready to give you a tour of your new town!

Nothing says we welcome you with open arms more than a drag about town like the good old days...

GOP who the fuck do they think they are kidding since forever...
 

fskimospy

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How. Is. It. Meaningful. To the Outcome?

It is frankly amazing how much you need self evidently obvious things explained to you. In PA, for example, the African American proportion of the electorate declined from 13% of the voters to 10%. That far exceeds Trump’s margin of victory in the state.

http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/results/state/PA/president/#exit-polls

https://www.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-polls/pennsylvania/president

This is very basic stuff to look up. The electorate was different in 2016 than in 2012 and in a way very relevant to the outcome. Now that this has been quantified I expect you to concede the point.

Show me a survey of the Rust Belt - that decided the election - and how they are more racist in '16 than they were in '08. It's a very simple request, and the only one that matters, because in states where the IS higher racism they were already voting Republican. Who cares whether voters are driven by race, religion, or belief in aliens, when those numbers stay basically the same and therefore don't explain why two elections have differing results.

Oh good, now we are at the point where you make increasingly outlandish demands and shift the goalposts in order to avoid admitting you were wrong.

1) You said racism wasn’t why Trump won.

2) I showed you that racism was a statistically significant predictor of voting for Trump.

3) In an election this close it is reasonable to assume, absent such racism, that Clinton would have won.

That’s the beginning and end of it. Sorry if it tells you things you don’t want to hear.
 

pcgeek11

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Yep, it is typical of the left to criticize anyone who endorses the institution of slavery.
Just like it is typical of the right to try to shut down any free speech they disagree with by falsely claiming that speech interferes with their own.

Did Kanye endorse slavery? I must have missed it.
 

BrandonT

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I've consistently asked how racism MEANINGFULLY decided the election. And since it was the Rust Belt that flipped from '08, that is where we should look at the numbers. I've said this every god damned post now. No goal posts moved. And if you don't like my response to your numbers, than quit citing generalized trends woven into your simplified narrative, devoid of actual nuance to what was actually MEANINGFUL.

In other words, who cares how Alabama voted? Raciss gonna race. That's not how Trump won.

The PA example is enlightening. As you said yourself, it was a decline in Black voters that *likely* won Trump that state, not an increase in racist white PAer's. And why was that? Is the problem that black PAer's didn't recognize Hillary for the noble and incorruptible leader she is?

Maybe they saw her for what she really was. No matter what you believe you have to admit it doesn't look good when a week after the election Australia announced that while they are very proud of their humanitarian work with the Clinton Foundation, they won't be giving any more money to them. And two months after that Chelsea's nobody husband that could still manage to raise hundreds of millions for his hedge fund, announced they were closing the fund due to redemptions. None of that is a smoking gun, but it sure looks like quid pro quo to me.

Now we can disagree on our view of the facts, or each other's rational, but when I come on here in good faith to try to hash these important issues out with fellow citizens and I get called out for being a self-serving liar, how is that going to move our country forward?

In 2 or 6 years Trump will be gone, and all of the worlds problems will remain - probably much worse. Who are you going to blame then? The actual agents of political power, or whatever boogeyman those agents trot out for you to villianize?
 

Paratus

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I've consistently asked how racism MEANINGFULLY decided the election. And since it was the Rust Belt that flipped from '08, that is where we should look at the numbers. I've said this every god damned post now. No goal posts moved. And if you don't like my response to your numbers, than quit citing generalized trends woven into your simplified narrative, devoid of actual nuance to what was actually MEANINGFUL.

In other words, who cares how Alabama voted? Raciss gonna race. That's not how Trump won.

The PA example is enlightening. As you said yourself, it was a decline in Black voters that *likely* won Trump that state, not an increase in racist white PAer's. And why was that? Is the problem that black PAer's didn't recognize Hillary for the noble and incorruptible leader she is?

Maybe they saw her for what she really was. No matter what you believe you have to admit it doesn't look good when a week after the election Australia announced that while they are very proud of their humanitarian work with the Clinton Foundation, they won't be giving any more money to them. And two months after that Chelsea's nobody husband that could still manage to raise hundreds of millions for his hedge fund, announced they were closing the fund due to redemptions. None of that is a smoking gun, but it sure looks like quid pro quo to me.

Now we can disagree on our view of the facts, or each other's rational, but when I come on here in good faith to try to hash these important issues out with fellow citizens and I get called out for being a self-serving liar, how is that going to move our country forward?

In 2 or 6 years Trump will be gone, and all of the worlds problems will remain - probably much worse. Who are you going to blame then? The actual agents of political power, or whatever boogeyman those agents trot out for you to villianize?

Cute. Fskimo shows how racism had an effect but you then declare it has to be MEANINGFUL. Of course since you define what MEANINGFUL (TM all right reserved) means there’s no way to clear that bar (eve though you agree racists gonna racist).
 
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