CoD4 - PC version

[Special K]

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
Hardcore mode blows. It completely destroys what little weapon and perk balance there already was.

I've been playing COD 4 again recently, and I started noticing how ridiculously unbalanced most of the maps are. Vacant has one team starting in a little room with two easily camped exits and the other team spawning outside with tons of room. Downpour has the SAS spawn in a relatively cramped area with high ground right above it and an MG covering one of the choke points which can be sprayed all the way into the spawn. Crossfire spawns the Marines out in the open and in the diner in plain view of snipers, meanwhile Opposing Force spawns around the corner from the main fight and in cover, and they also get the best sniping spot on the entire map 10 feet from their spawn. You can't snipe from the Marine spawn building because the HDR lighting makes the outside too bright when you're inside it. Bog is completely the reverse: Marines have all the cover and high ground, and Opposing Force spawns in a tiny death trap.

I've only had COD4 for about a month and a half, so maybe my perspective is limited, but the HC TDM server I routinely play on will cycle the spawn points as the game goes on. For example, on the Broadcast level, the team that starts inside the building will eventually start spawing outside, and the team that starts outside the building will switch to spawning inside the building.

I'm not sure if this is part of the game, a server admin option, or some addon.

Also it seems to me that the majority of the TDM servers I find use the hardcore mode. The one thing that annoys me about COD4's multiplayer game finder is that I can't set filters. I don't even want to see servers with pings > 100 ms, yet there's no way to specify that when searching for games. I wish I could create a ping filter and then sort the available servers by number of people playing, but instead I'm forced to sort all games by ping and then manually go through and see how many people are playing in the low ping servers.

 

[JoshGuru7]

Originally posted by: LifesABeta

Originally posted by: evident
COD4 is the noob-friendliest FPS i've ever played. it encourages all the frowned-upon nub tactics from other FPS to succeed: nade spam, camping, spray n pray.

Not disagreeing, just curious. if COD4 is the noob-friendliest then what is the Pro's FPS? Because 99.9% of FPS include your top 3 attributes listed.

Unreal Tournament. No aiming penalty for moving means movement and twitch skill win out over spamming and camping. The better player doesn't just win more fights, but nearly every fight.

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

Try Unreal Tournament III - great FPS game on PC

 

[LifesABeta]

Originally posted by: JoshGuru7

Originally posted by: LifesABeta

Originally posted by: evident
COD4 is the noob-friendliest FPS i've ever played. it encourages all the frowned-upon nub tactics from other FPS to succeed: nade spam, camping, spray n pray.

Not disagreeing, just curious. if COD4 is the noob-friendliest then what is the Pro's FPS? Because 99.9% of FPS include your top 3 attributes listed.

Unreal Tournament. No aiming penalty for moving means movement and twitch skill win out over spamming and camping. The better player doesn't just win more fights, but nearly every fight.

Okay that's great. But Unreal Tournament is a whole different style of FPS, it involves quick thinking and twitch reflex shooting so at the pro level you usually see 1 v 1's because that's the outcome; twitch shooters bring out the dudes with the quick reflexes. Counter Strike, at the pro level you're finding people playing on teams, sure, you have some pretty twitchy CS players but they're not as twitchy shooter as the UT guys because the game is at a slower pace. The game also requires you to camp more because CS in itself is a attack and defend type of game, so you can't go rambo. If you watch some pro vids you'll see there's camping and nade/flash spamming at the choke points in the maps. It's all tactics, simple as that... that's why I fail to understand just because you camp or nade spam that makes you a noob. If you have a problem with that then go play UT where there's absolutely none of that, I just hope you don't go crying out loud that the game is "too arcadey and only noobs like arcadey shooters"

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

UT3 is a FPS on a whole different level for sure!

 

[evident]

Originally posted by: JoshGuru7

Originally posted by: LifesABeta

Originally posted by: evident
COD4 is the noob-friendliest FPS i've ever played. it encourages all the frowned-upon nub tactics from other FPS to succeed: nade spam, camping, spray n pray.

Not disagreeing, just curious. if COD4 is the noob-friendliest then what is the Pro's FPS? Because 99.9% of FPS include your top 3 attributes listed.

Unreal Tournament. No aiming penalty for moving means movement and twitch skill win out over spamming and camping. The better player doesn't just win more fights, but nearly every fight.

i agree. any twitch fps game would fit this criteria, but even CS isn't too bad when it comes to spamming.. camping of course is part of the terrorist job, but not to the degree of COD4.

 

[evident]

Originally posted by: BTRY B 529th FA BN
UT3 is a FPS on a whole different level for sure!

do more people play ut3 yet?

 

[Genx87]

I have to agree with the OP. Nadefests are my biggest gripe in the game. The simple fact is the maps were not designed to have so many people. Then toss in perks to allow for more than a single frag nade and you are not only begging, but demanding people take advantage of that.

The map with the ship. I get more kills by tossing three grenades and then dying from somebody else grenade than I ever did trying to actually accomplish something. If I was lucky a well placed nade would yield enough for an airstrike. Watchout as I spawn kill the entire other team!

 

[KeithTalent]

Originally posted by: Auryg

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: OCguy
FPS on console? LOL.

Definitely this.

KT

Sorry guys, but some FPSes are better on the consoles due to the increasing stupidity of the players (and then, server admins) on PCs. It's not fun trying to find a 24 player TF2 match, or one without instarespawn. Both? There's like 3 servers. I imagine COD4 might be the same way.

I know, I know, I prefer KB+M too, and I love mods, but people need to learn to play the game the way it was meant to be played.

I never have a problem finding a decent TF2 server. I have several favourited and there are a tonne more out there that I could join at the drop of a hat.

KT

 

[shortylickens]

I was gonna ream the OP then I saw he was talking about multiplayer.

I have heard that grenade spamming kills the MP for most folks.
Can't you run a map without grenades? Assuming you're the server, of course.

Other than that the windows version is superior in every way.

 

[minmaster]

why don't mp FPS games limit the grenades to 1? it would improve gameplay so much. that and games like BF giving snipers and medics 3 grenades, which makes no sense. not everyone has to carry nades, and even when they do, they don't need so many. on top of that, don't let them resupply nades! that's just asking for spammage.

 

[evident]

Originally posted by: minmaster
why don't mp FPS games limit the grenades to 1? it would improve gameplay so much. that and games like BF giving snipers and medics 3 grenades, which makes no sense. not everyone has to carry nades, and even when they do, they don't need so many. on top of that, don't let them resupply nades! that's just asking for spammage.

lob a nade to a popular spawn point, blow up 5 ppl,, call in an airstrike, blow up 5 same people as they spawn again, call helicopter strike, kills people randomly for you, rinse wash repeat. the multi coulda been really fun if it wasn't for stupid stuff like this.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Xylitol

Um, no. Pick good servers. Something you cant do on the console version.

on the console, everything is a good server cause there aren't any stupid server-mods which often aren't posted on the server name before you join it and find out for yourself.


A stupid mod to you, isnt a stupid mod to everyone.

And on the PC, you can mark servers as your favorite, and play only on those. If you have time for just one map, and want to pick what map that is, you can do that on the PC. Not so on the console.

Fact facts. Picking servers, servers is a clear advantage

 

[samduhman]

Nice troll grenade you threw in here (even if that wasn't your intent). Glad your enjoying a FPS on a console. However I'd rather not play the game at all if my only option were to play on a console. Why, because playing FPS with your thumbs sucks big time. Yes I've tried it multiple times. I own a 360 and PS3 and neither have wowed me as much as my PC. In fact I just finished Call of Juarez on the PC. I couldn't imagine pulling off some of those shots with a gamepad, INSANITY! There was one point were I was shooting approximately 100 yards and aiming at a couple pixels moving behind a box. Never happen with a gamepad.

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: BTRY B 529th FA BN
UT3 is a FPS on a whole different level for sure!

do more people play ut3 yet?

I'm seeing more people in Beer Drinkers TDM and ViperMax DM

 

[DangerAardvark]

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: minmaster
why don't mp FPS games limit the grenades to 1? it would improve gameplay so much. that and games like BF giving snipers and medics 3 grenades, which makes no sense. not everyone has to carry nades, and even when they do, they don't need so many. on top of that, don't let them resupply nades! that's just asking for spammage.

lob a nade to a popular spawn point, blow up 5 ppl,, call in an airstrike, blow up 5 same people as they spawn again, call helicopter strike, kills people randomly for you, rinse wash repeat. the multi coulda been really fun if it wasn't for stupid stuff like this.

Yeah, the way the game rewards kill streaks is incredibly retarded. Don't you love spawning and instantly having to do the grenade/airstrike dodging dance, only to die anyway? 5 times in a row. So much of this shit could be toned down by a second or two of spawn immunity.

 

[Cheesetogo]

I love CoD 4 but I wouldn't play it on a console if you paid me.

Also, you're playing on bad servers.

 

[Saulbadguy]

GO PLAY HALO, NOOB!!!

 

[Regs]

You're comparing PC users vs. Console users? I would think PC users would be a little older audience. Everything else you said is a matter of choice, but after being so used to and comfortable with the console port, it's a no-brain'er why you would not like the PC port right off the bat.
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[stag3]

fps's on a console ftl

nothing beats a keyboard/mouse

i do think that sports/action/rpg's will always be better on a console tho

can't wait for modern warfare 2 !

 

[adairusmc]

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: minmaster
why don't mp FPS games limit the grenades to 1? it would improve gameplay so much. that and games like BF giving snipers and medics 3 grenades, which makes no sense. not everyone has to carry nades, and even when they do, they don't need so many. on top of that, don't let them resupply nades! that's just asking for spammage.

lob a nade to a popular spawn point, blow up 5 ppl,, call in an airstrike, blow up 5 same people as they spawn again, call helicopter strike, kills people randomly for you, rinse wash repeat. the multi coulda been really fun if it wasn't for stupid stuff like this.

It is not stupid if you are the one doing all of that


3x Frag + Martyrdom FTW.

 

[SuPrEIVIE]

Originally posted by: evident
COD4 is the noob-friendliest FPS i've ever played. it encourages all the frowned-upon nub tactics from other FPS to succeed: nade spam, camping, spray n pray.

Well i went from cod 4 to Farcry multi and there is a noticeable difference in level of difficulty in marksmanship mostly because of no run and gun in cod4 and almost no recoil, i agree with the above but another thing that sucks about it is the streak perks like the chopper and air strike so cheap and i never seen a server with those off or at least require a longer streak for those rewards so it doesnt spam all the time. cod4 is still fun but servers r gonna have to be more creative to cut off these nuisances

 

[clipperfixer]

Look around for a mod server with custom maps. The maps are larger and have more spawn points and generally are not over populated. I hate to see nades and marty removed. I love a good battle of nades against someone. In fact on some maps I will play nothing but nades, and not toss one at a spawn point. Marty, eh, just kill somebody and get away from them, problem solved, although getting away is not always possilbe, but I have played that way for so long Marty is not even an issue unless it is them dying at spawn points. I agree on the nade spam, don't give up the game, just find a decent server, they are out there.
I don't play cod4 much anymore, I prefer mod servers on waw, and on our servers you get arty at 25 kills, and dogs at 30. So some maps you never get either, some maps are hell at the end Me, I love complete chaos, and arty, dogs, choppers and marty are all part of the fun, you just have to learn to deal with them.

 

[duragezic]

Originally posted by: minmaster
why don't mp FPS games limit the grenades to 1? it would improve gameplay so much. that and games like BF giving snipers and medics 3 grenades, which makes no sense. not everyone has to carry nades, and even when they do, they don't need so many. on top of that, don't let them resupply nades! that's just asking for spammage.

At least with COD4 I definitely agree. They reward the high level players (the 3x frag perk is fairly high level I think) with 3x?? The idea isn't bad but I think it should be 2x.

I spectate so many players who aim up to the sky and spam ahead all three with every single life. Usually the same ones who whine about supposed noob weapons and go "no marty, no last stand, no noobtube, no LMG".

I also think the airstrike and chopper are a little too powerful. I'd kind of hate to have it be a larger streak because I'd never get them then! But if I'm on a roll or for any experience player they can get them all of the time.

So I there's a few things I'd like to see changed about COD4 MP, but overall I love it.

 

[Xylitol]

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: minmaster
why don't mp FPS games limit the grenades to 1? it would improve gameplay so much. that and games like BF giving snipers and medics 3 grenades, which makes no sense. not everyone has to carry nades, and even when they do, they don't need so many. on top of that, don't let them resupply nades! that's just asking for spammage.

lob a nade to a popular spawn point, blow up 5 ppl,, call in an airstrike, blow up 5 same people as they spawn again, call helicopter strike, kills people randomly for you, rinse wash repeat. the multi coulda been really fun if it wasn't for stupid stuff like this.

you're lucky to kill 3 people with 1 nade, extremely lucky to kill 4 (only done it once after all this time), and plain ridiculous to kill 5 (on the xbox version).
the reason why they made it so easy for an airstrike -> helicopter (just 2 kills with airstrike killings counting toward it) is to keep the momentum going with the people currently in the lead which i find more fun.
sorry for the bad english



and a lot of the time (besides Waterworks map), those "random" grenades are not actually random. people usually just chuck up grenades towards where a red dot is on the mini map and hope that it hits their target (the kill-cam doesn't show what they saw on the min-map which makes the grenade look random).