Coffee shop refuses to serve police officers

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umbrella39

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He knows what he can see from across the bigger pond... Sometimes he confuses Putin for Palin...
 

Starbuck1975

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If they chose not to serve school teachers I would give an equal amounts of fuck...Zero
How would they identify someone as a teacher so that they could discriminate them? Also, your point is irrelevent, as teachers don’t make enough money to purchase their coffee from hipster shops.
 

glenn1

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It's really, really not. See below.



This is a fundamental misunderstanding of how protected classes work. Gay people were never made a protected class in 2013, however in some states discrimination based on sexual orientation was added to public accommodation laws. Protected classes are not black people, women, or gay people. EVERYONE is part of multiple protected classes which are race, sex, and sexual orientation. The day that law was passed you were protected to the same extent that gay people are, meaning if a gay bar refused to serve you because you are straight they would be violating the law.

The entire linchpin of anti-discrimination law is that we are all free to discriminate to our heart's content based on what someone DOES, not based on who they ARE. It's perfectly legal to discriminate against someone for being a police officer because that's a choice they made. I wouldn't do it, but it's legal.

What someone does, like deciding to get married? Or have a cake at that wedding? Must be confusing to you having to sort out the constant variables and come to the correct conclusion about whether service can be compelled or not. Do you have a flow chart or something, maybe a truth table?

So he’s a cop so we can discriminate. But then he’s gay so we can’t discriminate. But the cake is for his heterosexual son’s college graduation so that’s something he does so we can discriminate. But his son is African-American so we can’t discriminate because that’s on the basis of “who they are.”
 

pcgeek11

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I think that the shop should be able to not serve whomever they choose, just as I feel the same holds true for the bakers and the "specialty cakes".

I think that maybe they will place a little lower on the priority scale when they call the police for a robbery etc...
 
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brycejones

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I think that the shop should be able to not serve whomever they choose, just as I feel the same holds true for the bakers and the "specialty cakes".

I think that maybe they will place a little lower on the priority scale when they call the police for a robbery etc...

1. Keep trying you might you understand public accommodation laws before they sail right over your head.

2. I know because governmental organizations should be as childish as the people they serve.
 

pcgeek11

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1. Keep trying you might you understand public accommodation laws before they sail right over your head.

2. I know because governmental organizations should be as childish as the people they serve.


I understand the law dumb ass, I just don't agree with it.

It is their business allow the public to decide if they want to use their services or not.

If you are going to require that a business serve the public it should apply to everyone. Not just specific classes or groups.

or

If you are going to allow a business to deny service to any group they should be allowed to deny service to anyone.

I didn't say I condoned that the police may not prioritize a call from this shop. Only pointing out what may happen.
 
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ch33zw1z

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I think that the shop should be able to not serve whomever they choose, just as I feel the same holds true for the bakers and the "specialty cakes".

I think that maybe they will place a little lower on the priority scale when they call the police for a robbery etc...
What makes you think they ever a priority?
 

fskimospy

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What someone does, like deciding to get married? Or have a cake at that wedding? Must be confusing to you having to sort out the constant variables and come to the correct conclusion about whether service can be compelled or not. Do you have a flow chart or something, maybe a truth table?

So he’s a cop so we can discriminate. But then he’s gay so we can’t discriminate. But the cake is for his heterosexual son’s college graduation so that’s something he does so we can discriminate. But his son is African-American so we can’t discriminate because that’s on the basis of “who they are.”

Nah, not particularly complicated. SCOTUS has already talked about this at considerable length. Let me know if you’re interested in reading some rulings!
 

justoh

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I didn't say I condoned that the police may not prioritize a call from this shop. Only pointing out what may happen.

Many things may happen. Infinitely many. Suggesting it was an endorsement. You terrible person.
 

brycejones

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I understand the law dumb ass, I just don't agree with it.

It is their business allow the public to decide if they want to use their services or not.

If you are going to require that a business serve the public it should apply to everyone. Not just specific classes or groups.

or

If you are going to allow a business to deny service to any group they should be allowed to deny service to anyone.

I didn't say I condoned that the police may not prioritize a call from this shop. Only pointing out what may happen.

Nope you really don't appear to understand. It must suck to be old and so constantly befuddled by the world.
 

ch33zw1z

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I didn't say they were. You are just being obtuse. You know what I mean.
That's acute. You're operating under preconceived notions that Oakland pd was quick to respond for this business. Maybe, just maybe, there's more to the story, and refusal to serve the officer coffee isn't just a random act of stupid.
 
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