The people who say this is a money grab don't know what they're talking about. Intel makes peanuts per PCH sale and I doubt those WiFi and Ethernet chips are big money makers either. Anything that Intel can do to stimulate sales of these ultra high end enthusiast chips (yes, things like 8600K and 8700K are far more expensive than the average Intel chip sold) it will do.
If Intel loses one 6-core CFL sale because of the motherboard incompatibility, then it'd take a LOT of PCH chip shipments to make up the difference.
The platform change is done to wring out the maximum performance from the 6 core chips when overclocked, and probably to allow for support of the 8 core CFL-S SKU, too, which would definitely need much more robust power delivery than a dinky four core chip.
Some people just want to hate on Intel, and being so emotionally invested in showing Intel as the "bad guy" will lead them to erroneous conclusions and poor market insights time and again.
I dunno about everyone else, but I'm emotionally invested in Cyrix making comeback!Probably just like you are emotionally invested in Intel and rush to defend Intel at every step in these forums.
Intel Z270 chipset costs "47 USD", quotations because motherboard manufacturers may not actually pay that price. Is that a lot of profit (not rhetorical)?
The B250 only costs $28 and is probably the exact same lump of silicon. It probably cost less than $10 to fab it, so it is mostly profit.
This is the one big reason I mostly kept my mouth shut about CFL chipset support: a future 8 core CFL-S SKU would definitely require bumped up socket electrical specs. If Z370 ends up being able to carry the 8 core SKUs then I'm quite comfortable with Intel's maneuvering between chipsets.The platform change is done to wring out the maximum performance from the 6 core chips when overclocked, and probably to allow for support of the 8 core CFL-S SKU, too, which would definitely need much more robust power delivery than a dinky four core chip.
I think coffelake is the last significant improvement, the next probably is with the inyroduction of ddr5, pcie 4.0. You dont need too agree but this is more probable to happen based on facts and history.
I dunno about everyone else, but I'm emotionally invested in Cyrix making comeback!
So coffeelake available for purchase before embargo on reviews ends tomorrow. Nice. Why is Intel holding up reviews after product has gone up for sale ?
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It's for people who want a 5ghz CPU.The i3 8350k price is way to high. I rather get the low end 6 core i5 at that price. They need to lower it to $150 bucks or something
It's for people who want a 5ghz CPU.
The i3 8350k price is way to high. I rather get the low end 6 core i5 at that price. They need to lower it to $150 bucks or something
But not better than 3.8-4Ghz x 6cores, and this is what 8400 will deliver in conjunction with a Z chipset.5GHz x 4 cores is better than 2.8GHz x 6 cores
8400 has a 6 core turbo of 3.8 GHz. Surely that must count?5GHz x 4 cores is better than 2.8GHz x 6 cores, and there is the $120 i3-8100 at 3.6 GHz that is still pretty damn good value 4 core.
I would like to know that as well, and also, in motherboards that make it possible to use 1 core turbo on all cores, would that work on a non-K CPU?8400 has a 6 core turbo of 3.8 GHz. Surely that must count?
P.S. Actually, this is a question for me. Can non-K CPUs hold turbo with sufficient cooling, or they are hard limited by their TDP? It seems K CPUs have no problem ignoring TDP if they run cool enough.
IIRC, the 8400 should run at 4.0 on all cores under load with a Z board.But not better than 3.8-4Ghz x 6cores, and this is what 8400 will deliver in conjunction with a Z chipset.
Yup! Jumpstart the mad rush once the masses find out how fast these chips are.Maybe the retailers are breaking their own embargos
IIRC, the 8400 should run at 4.0 on all cores under load with a Z board.