Why, why, why are you bringing up Ryzen in this thread...?
I think that's what was meant.
Yes!
Yes. The 8700k renders a lot of CPUs irrelevant - 7700k, 7740x,7800x and to some extent 7820x too.
I am going to have to agree with that. It's funny that anyone thought the 8700k
wouldn't have such an effect on the PC CPU market, but hey, there it is.
On AMD side the R7 series is made irrelevant. The main reason to buy Ryzen now would be the longevity of AM4 platform as you should be able to drop a 7nm Zen 2 in the same board and get it working with just a BIOS update.
There are some edge cases where you still want Ryzen, but now is hardly the time or place for discussing that.
Because, the topic that lead to the comment was about an 8400 for gaming and how it compares. Seeing as the 8400 does not exist in a vacuum Ryzen was brought up as a competitor to the new Coffeelake chips. Are we not supposed to judge Coffeelake against the other offerings? It would seem silly to only judge CL against CL.
I don't know if you've been paying attention, but for the longest damn time, it's been impossible to have cogent AMD vs. Intel discussions. Hyperbole and fud enters the discussion. People resort to ad hominem. It's really better to leave that crap to threads that are obviously dedicated to a comparison of CPUs from different vendors.
This is a Coffeelake thread. If you bring up Ryzen, it will stop being a Coffeelake thread. Several posters here will make sure to talk about only Ryzen, either to defend it or to decry it.
Bring up Skylake-X or Kabylake and surprise surprise, it does not happen. No problems.
These chips are legit. Finally a mainstream MT chip without having to deal with 2010 ST level Ryzen IPC.
See? This garbage is the kind of stuff we get when we get multi-vendor discussions. 2010?
Enjoy your new Coffeelake rigs, but man check the stupid at the door next time.
The TIM isn't that big of a deal. If you are into overclocking and tweaking and buy the K series you should be delidding the CPU anyway. I helped build three 7700k machines in the past 4 months and two of those were delidded. There was no difference in how far we could overclock and the temps between machines were with 5-8c. The only big difference I saw was when running prime 10-12c difference but, you don't buy a 7700k to run prime lol.
Most folks don't like to delid. Those who are doing it now with anything but direct-die watercooling, would see about the same benefit from running good (read: not cracked) solder as they would CLU on the die. It's really just a lot easier for the non-ultra-xtreme to deal with solder under the lid. For the truly hardcore, yeah, the TIM is actually a blessing since it's so much easier to get it off vs. solder. Those folks are going for direct-die cooling.
8700k is the CPU for enthusiasts. It has no tradeoffs. Highest ST, Extremely competitive MT and fantastic overclocker. This CPU will hold up very well against Pinnacle Ridge too.
We don't really know what Pinnacle Ridge brings to the table. But for the next 6-7 months, the 8700k can run mostly unopposed.
It's for high end WoW players.
Does it ship with free Blood Elf porn?
I agree, due delay on 10nm we have same 4 generations with no new tech??, its kinda insane not to push new architecture to 14nm then to wait fro AMD to take even a lot more market share
Intel may not have a new uarch they can bring to market. It's unknown what Krzanich has Intel doing behind the scenes. They've wound down VLIW, they've pulled out of mobile and IoT . . . where exactly is Intel going with their tech? For now, they've finally brought 6c/12t to the consumer desktop, so that's a good thing. It might get ugly in a year or two, though.