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[DrMrLordX]

I . . . guess we'll just have to find out when we get there, but if Intel isn't going to launch anything until a "paper launch" in Q4 2018 with volume in 2019, they may have some issues. That's a long time to ride on 6c/12t Coffeelake.

 

[PeterScott]

Neither do I, but I was talking about 2019.

You said 2018, nothing about 2019.

Yeah. The 8C CFL would be a Q3/4 2018 - Q3/4 2019 type deal. So in theory any 7 nm AMD product would be out before Intel refreshes.

Still this is not a sprint, and it is totally irrelevant who gets to process X, a month or so faster. If it were years it would matter.

That being said, from current roadmaps, Intel should be shipping 10nm chips before AMD is shipping it's 12nm refresh chips.

I expect the time difference between Intel 10nm+ and AMD 7nm to be inconsequential. But I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Intel also wins this irrelevant race, unless either stumbles badly and turns inconsequential month or so gap, into a year+ gap.

I . . . guess we'll just have to find out when we get there, but if Intel isn't going to launch anything until a "paper launch" in Q4 2018 with volume in 2019, they may have some issues. That's a long time to ride on 6c/12t Coffeelake.

Not at all. 6C Coffee Lake is very competitive against 8C Ryzen which is all it has to face before Ice Lake should arrive.

This is earnings week for both Intel and AMD, so we might get some tidbits about future products. I expect the focus will be on next releases. Canon Lake for Intel, and Raven Ridge for AMD. Both highly anticipated, and both due any day now.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Not at all. 6C Coffee Lake is very competitive against 8C Ryzen which is all it has to face before Ice Lake should arrive.

That's actually not true at all, but I'll veer away from that topic before we derail this thread yet again.

I'll just go back to the core of Intel's troubles: they are in competition against themselves as much as anyone else. If all they have to show for their work over the next year-and-a-half is an 8c/16t chip that has an Fmax of around 4.5 GHz and a 5% IPC improvement over Coffeelake, then there will be some trouble.

 

[LTC8K6]

That's actually not true at all, but I'll veer away from that topic before we derail this thread yet again.

I'll just go back to the core of Intel's troubles: they are in competition against themselves as much as anyone else. If all they have to show for their work over the next year-and-a-half is an 8c/16t chip that has an Fmax of around 4.5 GHz and a 5% IPC improvement over Coffeelake, then there will be some trouble.

I think Intel is doing just fine.

Besides, any chip maker/supplier can run into problems at any time, or even just delays.

 

[epsilon84]

That's actually not true at all, but I'll veer away from that topic before we derail this thread yet again.

I'll just go back to the core of Intel's troubles: they are in competition against themselves as much as anyone else. If all they have to show for their work over the next year-and-a-half is an 8c/16t chip that has an Fmax of around 4.5 GHz and a 5% IPC improvement over Coffeelake, then there will be some trouble.

As opposed to the great strides they have been making in the past years of stagnant core counts and 5% IPC increases per generation?

Intel has no problem competing against itself when there is little competition, but should AMD remain competitive then we should see a more aggressive Intel. As you said yourself, time will tell...

 

[DrMrLordX]

Intel's "stagnant" release schedule has given them two "eh" releases over the last 18 months. They did it to keep the market engaged and keep up some kind of a release schedule.

It really is in their best interest to release something, even if it is only a minor improvement.

 

[elhefegaming]

Intel's "stagnant" release schedule has given them two "eh" releases over the last 18 months. They did it to keep the market engaged and keep up some kind of a release schedule.

It really is in their best interest to release something, even if it is only a minor improvement.

Huh?
Gen 8 is "eh" release? Based on what?

 

[scannall]

Huh?
Gen 8 is "eh" release? Based on what?

Skylake is Kabylake and Coffee Lake on refined versions of 14nm. Core is about as refined as it's going to get by now. Even another 5% IPC would be a bit of a surprise.

 

[moonbogg]

If Intel releases an 8 core that behaves anything like the 8700K, then that would be a ridiculous chip. People would buy and forget about upgrading for the longest time. By the time they needed an upgrade we'd have synthetic axon bundles running from our GPU's to the back of our skulls or something. Driver downloads would be called "Myelin updates".

 

[Despoiler]

If Intel releases an 8 core that behaves anything like the 8700K, then that would be a ridiculous chip. People would buy and forget about upgrading for the longest time. By the time they needed an upgrade we'd have synthetic axon bundles running from our GPU's to the back of our skulls or something. Driver downloads would be called "Myelin updates".

Ya, but you'd need another Intel wetwear interface installed into your skull every time you wanted to upgrade..... Intel Wetwear : Perpetual Surgery TM

 

[moonbogg]

Ya, but you'd need another Intel wetwear interface installed into your skull every time you wanted to upgrade..... Intel Wetwear : Perpetual Surgery TM

It doesn't matter. Anyone buying that many CPU's wouldn't have their head attached anyway, so upgrades would be easy.

 

[elhefegaming]

Skylake is Kabylake and Coffee Lake on refined versions of 14nm. Core is about as refined as it's going to get by now. Even another 5% IPC would be a bit of a surprise.

Coffe Lake has been the most performance Intel has given us gen to gen since 2500k. (in that segment)

 

[DrMrLordX]

Coffe Lake has been the most performance Intel has given us gen to gen since 2500k. (in that segment)

Ah! Now you're seeing the point I was trying to make.

And that is that Intel needs to release something. Anything. Even if it is just a clockspeed bump or some extra cores. No matter what anyone has to say negative about Kabylake or Coffeelake being a rehash of Skylake (which it generally is), fact is that Intel had to bring them to market for their own sake.

What Intel can't/shouldn't do is try to ride from . . . whenever Coffeelake has any real, widespread availability (Nov 2017?) all the way to who-knows-when in 2019 without releasing a product.

If 8c Coffeelake is a fiction and IF Intel manages to launch Icelake on-time, that would put them at over a year between products. And that is the absolute best-case scenario for Intel in a future without 8c Coffeelake. Until we see more of Cannonlake we'll know nothing about the present or future viability of the 10nm process which has already been in doubt since 2016.

 

[TahoeDust]

Did anyone else see this? These are the first Destiny 2 CPU benchmarks I have seen. It looks like it is really favoring intel's stuff. The 8700k could absolutely crush in this title. Even the new i3 at stock is outperforming a 1700 @ 3.9GHz. Any idea what the deal is here? Anyone seen any other CPU benchmarks for Destiny 2?

https://www.gamersnexus.net/game-bench/3097-destiny-2-launch-cpu-benchmark-ryzen-vs-kaby-lake

 

[epsilon84]

Did anyone else see this? These are the first Destiny 2 CPU benchmarks I have seen. It looks like it is really favoring intel's stuff. The 8700k could absolutely crush in this title. Even the new i3 at stock is outperforming a 1700 @ 3.9GHz. Any idea what the deal is here? Anyone seen any other CPU benchmarks for Destiny 2?

https://www.gamersnexus.net/game-bench/3097-destiny-2-launch-cpu-benchmark-ryzen-vs-kaby-lake

The 8700K will essentially perform the same as the 7700K, as Destiny 2 is clockspeed/IPC dependant, not thread dependant. Look at the 1600X vs 1700, or 7700K vs 8350K.

 

[TahoeDust]

The 8700K will essentially perform the same as the 7700K, as Destiny 2 is clockspeed/IPC dependant, not thread dependant. Look at the 1600X vs 1700, or 7700K vs 8350K.

I understand. I guess I am just surprised for such a big AAA title to have that large of a performance discrepancy.

 

[FIVR]

If Intel releases an 8 core that behaves anything like the 8700K, then that would be a ridiculous chip. People would buy and forget about upgrading for the longest time. By the time they needed an upgrade we'd have synthetic axon bundles running from our GPU's to the back of our skulls or something. Driver downloads would be called "Myelin updates".

Your mystery chip actually already exists - the 6900K. In some ways the 6900k is actually better than an "8900k" 8-core. An 8 core version of coffee lake would likely overclock better, but the 6900k has solder instead of crap TIM and quad channel memory... so it's sort of a wash IMO.

 

[moonbogg]

Your mystery chip actually already exists - the 6900K. In some ways the 6900k is actually better than an "8900k" 8-core. An 8 core version of coffee lake would likely overclock better, but the 6900k has solder instead of crap TIM and quad channel memory... so it's sort of a wash IMO.

Its a grand though.

 

[Lodix]

Latest Intel's 10nm roadmap from ARM Tech Con:

Volumen production of 10nm+ at 2Q 2019.

 

[beginner99]

Lates Intel's 10nm roadmap from ARM Tech Con:

Volumen production of 10nm+ at 2Q 2019.

If true we will sure see a 8-core Cfl part. Intel can't go 2 years without anything new. On the otherhand that my simply be for foundry business timeline and not intel itself.

 

[CatMerc]

Agreed. After 8 cores, it's just getting to the point of silliness.

It will take a break with Pinnacle, but I fully expect Ryzen 3 based on 7nm Zen 2 will have 12 cores.

Intel will not accept being defeated, single threaded or otherwise, a 10/12 core CPU will happen.

 

[ozzy702]

Your mystery chip actually already exists - the 6900K. In some ways the 6900k is actually better than an "8900k" 8-core. An 8 core version of coffee lake would likely overclock better, but the 6900k has solder instead of crap TIM and quad channel memory... so it's sort of a wash IMO.

Meh. An 8900k would make the 6900k look silly, especially since the 8700k stomps it in most gaming scenarios and would have a clock speed and IPC advantage. Yeah, I wish that SkylakeX wasn't a turd because I would have gone that route but I'm pretty impressed with my 8700k and an eight core version would be phenomenal. 8 CFL cores @ 4.8ghz would be unreal and likely one of those setups that you don't need to replace/upgrade until the mobo dies. I can't imagine needing more for gaming and even for most productivity work it would be more than adequate.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Your mystery chip actually already exists - the 6900K. In some ways the 6900k is actually better than an "8900k" 8-core. An 8 core version of coffee lake would likely overclock better, but the 6900k has solder instead of crap TIM and quad channel memory... so it's sort of a wash IMO.

Who cares about solder vs TIM? 6900K can't clock that high, even though it's soldered. An 8-core CFL would stomp a 6900K into oblivion.

 

[mikk]

If true we will sure see a 8-core Cfl part. Intel can't go 2 years without anything new. On the otherhand that my simply be for foundry business timeline and not intel itself.

CFL 8C for next year is not really the question anymore. As for Icelake the earliest realistic launch timeframe is Computex 2019 in June imho. Unless the slides refer to their foundry business which might differ to Intels own 10nm IP products.

 

[Steve Van der Velde]

Hello.
Question.....
Will the corsair h75 be enough for an i7 8700k?

Thanks