Cold air intake which one?

sze5003

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Last time I had one of these on my 3000gt was when I was a teenager. Currently have a 11 lancer gts and been getting quite bored..figured I might mess with it.

Anyone have one installed and how would you rate it? I like injen or k&n but I'm wondering if it's more of a hassle than just for looks and fun? I'm not looking for extra speed just something that sounds nicer and if I can get some better airflow or mpg out of it, would be nice.

Was thinking short ram so I don't have to take off the front bumper and mess around too much when it comes to cleaning or replacing the filter.
 

Raizinman

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If you want louder air sound and a dirtier engine; and have $300 bucks to waste, go ahead and change your air intake. It does give you fake bragging rights to claim more horsepower and better MPG.
 

sze5003

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I'll do some more research if it would cause more damage I would rather keep the car stock.
 

nerp

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sink the $300 into body work to get chips and scratches removed and get the car professionally buffed up. Make that 11 shine like a 13. CAI is a waste of money.
 

sze5003

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sink the $300 into body work to get chips and scratches removed and get the car professionally buffed up. Make that 11 shine like a 13. CAI is a waste of money.

Good idea too. I do have some scratches and faint marks around the car and I haven't washed it or shined it up in quite some time.
 

halik

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If you want louder air sound and a dirtier engine; and have $300 bucks to waste, go ahead and change your air intake. It does give you fake bragging rights to claim more horsepower and better MPG.

I think there is some small performance difference ~5hp?, given that the filter filters less-> flows better.

I stopped playing those games after seeing someone's Blackstone oil report with high silicone (previous was all inline) after recent K&N installation. No thanks.
 

sze5003

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Yeah besides I wouldn't want to do the whole under the car type of intake. Just the short ram version. I've had one before on another car years ago and I found it much easier to replace the filter or clean it. If it makes it so that you have to take off the bumper and all that jazz I don't think I want that.
 

Ferzerp

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CAI =/= K&N filter

To elaborate, any time an engine is intake air restricted, adding a filter with more surface area and the same rate of flow per unit of surface area, increasing the rate of flow at a given surface area, or decreasing the temperature of the air will improve performance (basically, the net effect of being able to intake more molecules of air, all three of these things are doing that).

The middle effect would suggest a worsening of the filtering capability, but the first and last are doable at no risk. The engine may need a different tune to take advantage of the benefit though.
 
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Arkaign

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CAI =/= K&N filter

To elaborate, any time an engine is intake air restricted, adding a filter with more surface area and the same rate of flow per unit of surface area, increasing the rate of flow at a given surface area, or decreasing the temperature of the air will improve performance (basically, the net effect of being able to intake more molecules of air, all three of these things are doing that).

The middle effect would suggest a worsening of the filtering capability, but the first and last are doable at no risk. The engine may need a different tune to take advantage of the benefit though.

There ya go. Once upon a time it was common and cheap extra performance to get a good CAI, now most cars are so precisely tuned from the factory that you will actually lose performance if you go to one without a matching custom tune. The Focus duratec is like that. With a good FSWerks tune + CAI, you can gain 7-10hp at the wheels (!) due to the extremely restrictive stock intake system + baffles. It's amazing to look at a stock intake system sometime and see just how convoluted and poorly flowing they can be. However, at lower RPMs (epa testing basically), even the poor flow of the stock intake setup is not much of an issue. The gains all come at the midrange to high rpm.

CAI is not something I recommend doing by itself.

CAI + tune + plugs/wires + throttle body spacer (if applicable) + exhaust. If you do that right, you'll gain a fair amount of throttle response, and a legit but not huge amount of power. Find out if your motor/tranny combo is known to handle the turbos well, and that's another road you can take down the line should you feel like it.

And by 'tune' I don't mean some ebay $20 ripoff, but a legit dyno-tested tune that's well reviewed and proven effective by numerous sources from within the community your car is in.

For you, start at http://forums.evolutionm.net/

Keep in mind that even with lots of money spent, you've got a long way to go before the car will actually be dramatically faster. Also, unless you keep all your stock parts and ebay/forum sell off your mod parts after you're done with the car, that you'll never get any of that money back. Nobody sane wants to buy a modded car, so put back to stock before you sell it.

And the closer : want a faster car? Buy a faster car in the first place

I modded my 08 Focus 5spd a bit, and it was shockingly effective for the price, I could surprise a ton of people in that thing, but at the end of the day it was still a 4 banger non-turbo Focus. And that was fine with me. Make sure your expectations don't get unrealistic, and please don't be "that guy" with the fart pipe, car scraping on the ground from cut springs, 10" spoiler in the air, 20" wheels, etc.
 

sze5003

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I've been looking on evolution m boards. I don't want a faster car I think it's quick enough for me. I just want it to be a bit more enjoyable to drive since I'm constantly driving all over the place. Im also not planning to add exhaust or turbo. Even with 0% an evo finance would cost me nearly $600 a month in payments so yeah no way I'm doing that.
 

vshah

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speed won't make it more enjoyable. add useful amenities. does it have HID lights? if not, get a proper retrofit. best mod i ever made on my civic.
(note, proper retrofit is not a $100 ebay hid kit)

or get a better in-car audio system.

these are the things that will increase your enjoyment of the car. 5 extra hp won't make any difference.
 

sze5003

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I don't even care about that I want it to sound better, more enjoyment for me. I said in the OP this would be more for fun purposes and was merely wondering of any negative side effects of such a mod.

I used to have custom speakers, subs in my last car and I had a lot of issues so music for me is not that much enjoyment stock speakers are loud enough.
 

CurseTheSky

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A cold air intake isn't what most people think it is. If you can see the filter with the hood open, it's most likely not a CAI. A real CAI will suck air from the fender well (or similar) and is completely divided from the hot engine bay.

The "cold air intakes" you see most people slapping on their car for $300 are actually called short ram intakes, and really don't do anything except make the intake noise a bit louder, often at the cost of less filtering capability (dirtier intake) and sometimes decreased performance. Even if the "CAI" kit you're buying has a little plastic box that separates the filter from the rest of the engine bay, it's still drawing in hot engine bay air, so it isn't really a CAI.

In other words, don't bother.
 

sze5003

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Makes sense and the bottom feed intakes are prone to puddles and water, could hydrolock the engine.
 

sze5003

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Also they had a turbo in that car anyway so I don't see how measuring hp based on air intake would really matter. Intakes are designed more for cars without turbo pretty much just to make them sound better..at least from all the research I've done.

I wish the Ralliart came in stick not cv transmission. That was the first thing I asked when I bought my lancer. If it had, I would have gotten the Ralliart because it also included leather and awd but I see why Mitsubishi made so many variances from lancer de, es, gts, ralli, then evo.

One has a few more features than the next with the evo having pretty much everything. I also didn't like that evo and gts were my only options for a stick car no middle ground there and a 15k difference.
 

xSkyDrAx

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I'm really surprised that the ralliart didn't get a manual. That's the only hot hatch in that segment that doesn't have one
 

sze5003

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I'm really surprised that the ralliart didn't get a manual. That's the only hot hatch in that segment that doesn't have one

I know I was kind of upset because they had me test drive a cv tranny gts since they didn't have a manual at the dealer but when I got my car I could definitely feel a difference from the cv transmission in terms of torque and power with manual being better of course.

They did it purely for marketing strategy I'm sure. If they had a 5 speed ralliart in manual it would be pretty much one step down from the evo so people who didn't want to spend extra on the top model would all buy that. The difference with the evo is same engine 2.4L but twin turbo where as the ralli I think only has 1 turbo.
 

SparkyJJO

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CAI + tune + plugs/wires + throttle body spacer (if applicable) + exhaust. If you do that right, you'll gain a fair amount of throttle response, and a legit but not huge amount of power. Find out if your motor/tranny combo is known to handle the turbos well, and that's another road you can take down the line should you feel like it.

A Throttle body spacer does absolutely nothing for a fuel injected engine. 100% waste of money.

The only time you need to change plug type is if you are changing heat range due to more extensive mods. Other than that, no gains to be had to speak of. All those stupid plugs like the Bosch 4+ and the like are simply snake oil.
 

Arkaign

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A Throttle body spacer does absolutely nothing for a fuel injected engine. 100% waste of money.

The only time you need to change plug type is if you are changing heat range due to more extensive mods. Other than that, no gains to be had to speak of. All those stupid plugs like the Bosch 4+ and the like are simply snake oil.

Haha, yeah I forgot to note, the reason to get TBS is to have the easier nitrous route. Which is a terrible idea longevity-wise, but a ton of fun.

As for plugs, maybe it is usually useless? I used this thread, and it in fact made a difference to me.

http://www.focusfanatics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=225572&highlight=weapon+plugs+dyno

I had a ton more mods than just the plugs though.
 
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