Cold Air Intakes

[newParadigm]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: newParadigm
Same size engine here, and After market exhaust + Cold air intake added about 25-30 HP total. Engine is from (and in) a 1999 Mazda 626. Its the Japanese engine however, and let me tell you, it puts out pretty well. The thing ain't a race car, but it's sure fun to drive (and auto cross once in awhile). Due to some fvcked up circumstances I had to replace the engine 2 mos after I bought the car. I got a used Japanese engine for like $1200, with 35 more HP out of the box, and got most of the money back when I sued the seller (he deserved it, I was able to prove that the rod bearing that went was broken at the time of purchase, and the problem had been covered up with motor honey. Too bad he stated right in the auction the oil had been changed, otherwise he might've ben able to get out of it.)

If that's a full back... that's where your increase in power came from

I'm not entirely sure, though I believe it is. I want to throw a turbo on it. That oughta cook out another 50ish, which should put me almost at 300hp.

 

[Aikouka]

Well, I typically drive faster on straight roads too, but I still enjoy the turning. It's not 100% fact nor correct, but given enough money, someone will build a faster drag car than you and beat you. Of course, there is some driver skill involved in controlling the car, shifting properly etc. I just prefer a more "track-esque" situation because it's more of a challenge. You have to know the proper line to take around the corner, how fast your entry should be, when you should brake, when you should start accelerating after the apex of your turn (based on your line).

Reminds me of the time I was driving on a 35mph road (it used to be 45mph and there's not a single turn that can't be taken above 50 in my Stratus, including a nice sloping 60 degree turn at the end) at about 60 and I end up getting behind a car and it looked really familiar. After a bit, I recognized the car... it was my brother in his rental car (after he slid in winter weather on a spot where I got down just fine )! It was a ... Dodge Caliber I think and it was the wagon version, so it looked like an ugly hearse. Well, I ended up at one of the few straight-aways on the road and I pass him. Fortunately for him, I didn't go any crazy speeds as I like to keep my life . I did notice that I could get through the corners faster than him, but after them I still kept the same speed and he had no problem keeping up. What got me... was going up the last road, it starts as a long hill and I just couldn't accelerate up this hill at all and he just passes me like I'm not even moving .

Although, I still got to say that he couldn't keep up with me on the corners and you can't blame that on the car... I took those corners at the same speed in my mother's Saturn LS200 .

So, in short, I just enjoy the physics of it. I'm one of those thinking people who can do weird things like predict placement based on movement (such as in a hallway, if someone's approaching me, I can predict within half a foot where I'll meet up with them. Yes, I get that bored ).

EDIT:

Originally posted by: newParadigm
I'm not entirely sure, though I believe it is. I want to throw a turbo on it. That oughta cook out another 50ish, which should put me almost at 300hp.

If you replaced it from the headers to the muffler, it's a full-back. If you replaced it from the catalytic converter to the muffler, it's a cat-back. If you plan on a turbo, I'd say to make sure your intake has been replaced as well (if not already). No reason having a restrictive intake on an "open" exhaust and a system that craves the flow .

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: Aikouka
Well, I typically drive faster on straight roads too, but I still enjoy the turning. It's not 100% fact nor correct, but given enough money, someone will build a faster drag car than you and beat you. Of course, there is some driver skill involved in controlling the car, shifting properly etc. I just prefer a more "track-esque" situation because it's more of a challenge. You have to know the proper line to take around the corner, how fast your entry should be, when you should brake, when you should start accelerating after the apex of your turn (based on your line).

Reminds me of the time I was driving on a 35mph road (it used to be 45mph and there's not a single turn that can't be taken above 50 in my Stratus, including a nice sloping 60 degree turn at the end) at about 60 and I end up getting behind a car and it looked really familiar. After a bit, I recognized the car... it was my brother in his rental car (after he slid in winter weather on a spot where I got down just fine )! It was a ... Dodge Caliber I think and it was the wagon version, so it looked like an ugly hearse. Well, I ended up at one of the few straight-aways on the road and I pass him. Fortunately for him, I didn't go any crazy speeds as I like to keep my life . I did notice that I could get through the corners faster than him, but after them I still kept the same speed and he had no problem keeping up. What got me... was going up the last road, it starts as a long hill and I just couldn't accelerate up this hill at all and he just passes me like I'm not even moving .

Although, I still got to say that he couldn't keep up with me on the corners and you can't blame that on the car... I took those corners at the same speed in my mother's Saturn LS200 .

So, in short, I just enjoy the physics of it. I'm one of those thinking people who can do weird things like predict placement based on movement (such as in a hallway, if someone's approaching me, I can predict within half a foot where I'll meet up with them. Yes, I get that bored ).

EDIT:

Originally posted by: newParadigm
I'm not entirely sure, though I believe it is. I want to throw a turbo on it. That oughta cook out another 50ish, which should put me almost at 300hp.

If you replaced it from the headers to the muffler, it's a full-back. If you replaced it from the catalytic converter to the muffler, it's a cat-back. If you plan on a turbo, I'd say to make sure your intake has been replaced as well (if not already). No reason having a restrictive intake on an "open" exhaust and a system that craves the flow .

If I punched it in a corner I'd end up facing everyone behind me Power demands respect.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: exdeath
If I punched it in a corner I'd end up facing everyone behind me Power demands respect.

damn you are a knuckhead. Try better tires.

Your Terminator post above is funny saying Supra is still better.

There have been more capable Mustangs in the past. The 03 cobra was a blink on the radar.

You saying you have 700hp from a 390hp stock car and still post so much insanity shows you are exactly the type of guy you posted about hating...the one that just buys something because they can afford it...knowing nothing about history or respect.

Also any street race is about 0-100. Usually 0-60 most blocks. On blocks you shouldn't be racing anyway.

On an interstate... you probably are starting at 60-80 mph...so 120-150+ is not unusual.

I have had a ticket at 127, dinged 140+ speed limited a few times.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: exdeath
If I punched it in a corner I'd end up facing everyone behind me Power demands respect.

My opinion is that pure skill demands respect .

It's like in World of Warcraft (I can relate anything to this game, even sex :Q), you can have tons of gear, but if you're not adept at using it in all situations, someone with some crappier gear can always out-craft you and beat you with his pure "1337 skeelz."

 

[zerocool84]

wow the e-penis here is incredible. i knew someone in here was going to say oh i hate it when ricers rev and me then i just smoke them. well i hate it when v8's rev at me thinking they are cool cus they have a v8. i just hate anybody that drives like an idiot. and it's about horsepower to weight ratio. we just need to kill this thread off

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: CraigRT
People who say 1-3HP are either stupid or have experience with a very specific car which already had good lungs to begin with

My friend put a basic AEM cold air on his base 2000 Neon 5 speed, and went from 16.5 consistent quarter mile, to 16.0 consistent quarter mile. that is more than a 3HP increase. NO OTHER MODS.

The CAI on my 3.5 Altima makes a little difference, and sounds absolutely badass!!

I've had an intake on every car I've owned, If anything it helps mileage slightly and makes the car more fun to drive...

yeah i doubt most of the people saying they do nothing speak from experience.

i actually used to be like that, but now from what i've seen, they always help atleast somewhat (G35s, TLs, BMW Ms, some honda 4 bangers).

but really, no one posts in anandtech car threads for the great technical knowledge.

 

[newParadigm]

EDIT:

Originally posted by: newParadigm
I'm not entirely sure, though I believe it is. I want to throw a turbo on it. That oughta cook out another 50ish, which should put me almost at 300hp.

If you replaced it from the headers to the muffler, it's a full-back. If you replaced it from the catalytic converter to the muffler, it's a cat-back. If you plan on a turbo, I'd say to make sure your intake has been replaced as well (if not already). No reason having a restrictive intake on an "open" exhaust and a system that craves the flow .[/quote]

If i get a turbo I'll def be adding a cold air intake, as well as the required upgraded fuel pump. And yes its a full back, my haziness comes from the fact that I did not put it on, it was on the care when I bought it.

 

[fbrdphreak]

Originally posted by: exdeath
Twice on this road he tries to overtake me in a no passing zone in the lane of oncoming traffic and I dust his ass and force him to get back over behind me due to oncoming traffic, and he throws a fit with his brights again.

Not only is what you're doing dangerous, it is illegal. While the cops being able to prove it in an accident is unlikely, were they able to you would be liable for the accident. If some asshole is trying to pass you on the left, it is against the law to block them. Not to mention, why not let the pimple-faced F&F get past you and stop endangering the lives of everyone around them, including you.

It is pretty clear to me you're a dangerous driver to have on the road. I like to accelerate fast, break the speed limit from time to time, and pass/get away from annoying people. But if someone is blazing through traffic, cutting people off, or trying to illegally pass, I just let them go. We'll end up at the same place at the same time, only they may be dead/wrecked/wrecked other people. I'll be just fine.

It is time to forget your inferiority complex on the road, especially with such a purportedly fast Mustang.

 

[fbrdphreak]

Originally posted by: newParadigm

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: newParadigm
Same size engine here, and After market exhaust + Cold air intake added about 25-30 HP total. Engine is from (and in) a 1999 Mazda 626. Its the Japanese engine however, and let me tell you, it puts out pretty well. The thing ain't a race car, but it's sure fun to drive (and auto cross once in awhile). Due to some fvcked up circumstances I had to replace the engine 2 mos after I bought the car. I got a used Japanese engine for like $1200, with 35 more HP out of the box, and got most of the money back when I sued the seller (he deserved it, I was able to prove that the rod bearing that went was broken at the time of purchase, and the problem had been covered up with motor honey. Too bad he stated right in the auction the oil had been changed, otherwise he might've ben able to get out of it.)

If that's a full back... that's where your increase in power came from

I'm not entirely sure, though I believe it is. I want to throw a turbo on it. That oughta cook out another 50ish, which should put me almost at 300hp.

Intake+exhaust on small displacement engine = 30HP? MAYBE with a full tune also. That is near what people are getting on the GTO. Did you dyno or is this SOTP/ricer numbers?

 

[newParadigm]

Originally posted by: fbrdphreak

Originally posted by: newParadigm

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: newParadigm
Same size engine here, and After market exhaust + Cold air intake added about 25-30 HP total. Engine is from (and in) a 1999 Mazda 626. Its the Japanese engine however, and let me tell you, it puts out pretty well. The thing ain't a race car, but it's sure fun to drive (and auto cross once in awhile). Due to some fvcked up circumstances I had to replace the engine 2 mos after I bought the car. I got a used Japanese engine for like $1200, with 35 more HP out of the box, and got most of the money back when I sued the seller (he deserved it, I was able to prove that the rod bearing that went was broken at the time of purchase, and the problem had been covered up with motor honey. Too bad he stated right in the auction the oil had been changed, otherwise he might've ben able to get out of it.)

If that's a full back... that's where your increase in power came from

I'm not entirely sure, though I believe it is. I want to throw a turbo on it. That oughta cook out another 50ish, which should put me almost at 300hp.

Intake+exhaust on small displacement engine = 30HP? MAYBE with a full tune also. That is near what people are getting on the GTO. Did you dyno or is this SOTP/ricer numbers?

Its a full back sport tuned exhaust. I had the computer reset at the time and have been driving nothing but 91/93 octane (93 with octance booster for the first 5 tanks), so the engine has been optimized to take advantage of higher octane gas (this has to do with the initial burn mixture right? or am I wrong on that one). So I suppose it wasn't all from the intake/exhaust.

Yes it WAS Dyno'd. Got a friend that works at a garage that threw it up before and after for me. Before i was getting 193, and afterwards it was 216. I guess thats only 24HP, so I exaggerated a bit. I guess aiming for about 260-275 after turbo would probably be more realistic...

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: newParadigm

Originally posted by: fbrdphreak

Originally posted by: newParadigm

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: newParadigm
Same size engine here, and After market exhaust + Cold air intake added about 25-30 HP total. Engine is from (and in) a 1999 Mazda 626. Its the Japanese engine however, and let me tell you, it puts out pretty well. The thing ain't a race car, but it's sure fun to drive (and auto cross once in awhile). Due to some fvcked up circumstances I had to replace the engine 2 mos after I bought the car. I got a used Japanese engine for like $1200, with 35 more HP out of the box, and got most of the money back when I sued the seller (he deserved it, I was able to prove that the rod bearing that went was broken at the time of purchase, and the problem had been covered up with motor honey. Too bad he stated right in the auction the oil had been changed, otherwise he might've ben able to get out of it.)

If that's a full back... that's where your increase in power came from

I'm not entirely sure, though I believe it is. I want to throw a turbo on it. That oughta cook out another 50ish, which should put me almost at 300hp.

Intake+exhaust on small displacement engine = 30HP? MAYBE with a full tune also. That is near what people are getting on the GTO. Did you dyno or is this SOTP/ricer numbers?

Its a full back sport tuned exhaust. I had the computer reset at the time and have been driving nothing but 91/93 octane (93 with octance booster for the first 5 tanks), so the engine has been optimized to take advantage of higher octane gas (this has to do with the initial burn mixture right? or am I wrong on that one). So I suppose it wasn't all from the intake/exhaust.

Yes it WAS Dyno'd. Got a friend that works at a garage that threw it up before and after for me. Before i was getting 193, and afterwards it was 216. I guess thats only 24HP, so I exaggerated a bit. I guess aiming for about 260-275 after turbo would probably be more realistic...

Octane is basically detonation resistence, or resistance of the fuel to ignite under heat and compression alone. Premium fuel is required on modern engines because of the high compression ratios used, but they can gimp back to 87 if needed, but with reduced performance.

On naturally aspirated engines, this pinging/knocking/detonation isn't too big a deal, the ECU will compensate,etc. But on forced induction engines theres alot more intake charge and compression pressure in the cylinder. This means it's a tighter squeeze and more likely to cause detonation. The problem with forced induction is detonation is more likely to occur on the compression stroke before or after the spark goes off, resulting in multiple flame fronts that collide in a supersonic burn of the mixture, which is more characteristic of an explosive than a fuel. Now you have the connecting rod being squeezed between the crank coming up and the mixture pushing the piston down too early. You can imagine what happens to the rod, the crank bearings, etc.

On blown engines, colder air and higher octane can increased knock resistance, allowing for more advanced timing and/or more boost without risk of detonation. Improved coolant flow in the heads, colder spark plugs, etc, can also eliminate potential hot spot points that can uncontrollably ignite the mixture.

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: fbrdphreak

Originally posted by: exdeath
Twice on this road he tries to overtake me in a no passing zone in the lane of oncoming traffic and I dust his ass and force him to get back over behind me due to oncoming traffic, and he throws a fit with his brights again.

Not only is what you're doing dangerous, it is illegal. While the cops being able to prove it in an accident is unlikely, were they able to you would be liable for the accident. If some asshole is trying to pass you on the left, it is against the law to block them. Not to mention, why not let the pimple-faced F&F get past you and stop endangering the lives of everyone around them, including you.

It is pretty clear to me you're a dangerous driver to have on the road. I like to accelerate fast, break the speed limit from time to time, and pass/get away from annoying people. But if someone is blazing through traffic, cutting people off, or trying to illegally pass, I just let them go. We'll end up at the same place at the same time, only they may be dead/wrecked/wrecked other people. I'll be just fine.

It is time to forget your inferiority complex on the road, especially with such a purportedly fast Mustang.

First of all it was a no passing zone.

Second, by the time he'd stepped on it and got left, I wasn't even part of the picture anymore. If he chose to continue staying in the wrong lane with his foot on the floor a block behind me that has nothing to do with me at that point.

 

[newParadigm]

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: fbrdphreak

Originally posted by: exdeath
Twice on this road he tries to overtake me in a no passing zone in the lane of oncoming traffic and I dust his ass and force him to get back over behind me due to oncoming traffic, and he throws a fit with his brights again.

Not only is what you're doing dangerous, it is illegal. While the cops being able to prove it in an accident is unlikely, were they able to you would be liable for the accident. If some asshole is trying to pass you on the left, it is against the law to block them. Not to mention, why not let the pimple-faced F&F get past you and stop endangering the lives of everyone around them, including you.

It is pretty clear to me you're a dangerous driver to have on the road. I like to accelerate fast, break the speed limit from time to time, and pass/get away from annoying people. But if someone is blazing through traffic, cutting people off, or trying to illegally pass, I just let them go. We'll end up at the same place at the same time, only they may be dead/wrecked/wrecked other people. I'll be just fine.

It is time to forget your inferiority complex on the road, especially with such a purportedly fast Mustang.

First of all it was a no passing zone.

Second, by the time he'd stepped on it and got left, I wasn't even part of the picture anymore. If he chose to continue staying in the wrong lane with his foot on the floor a block behind me that has nothing to do with me at that point.

Fbrd, I think the point here is that he was NOT blocking him from passing, but shot out far in front of him, giving him plenty of room to pull back into a now empty right lane (not really a right lan cause its a two lan road but its the best way I could think to describe it).