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wuliheron

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It doesn't have the funding it needs to compete anymore. China, even India are outdoing us in space now. We even rely on Russia now.

Nasa is retooling for military applications like the unmanned x37. Sending astronauts into space is just too expensive and with everyone else suddenly investing more in the technology Nasa's preparing to police orbital space.
 

Paul98

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Right now sending men into space just isn't worth it. Nasa is still sending up lots of there own rockets with different probes and have new rovers setup, telescope,...

The shuttle was the big loss but that would have been much better being shut down a long time ago. We do need a true successor but we still need some good advancements to make it worthwhile for humans. What we are doing right now is cheaper and more productive.
 

RampantAndroid

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Nasa is retooling for military applications like the unmanned x37. Sending astronauts into space is just too expensive and with everyone else suddenly investing more in the technology Nasa's preparing to police orbital space.

Yeah...the space program in the US is being privatized, really. Not a bad thing, either - they'll do it more efficiently than NASA itself ever did. Not to downplay NASA's achievements, but NASA can't even attract college grads anymore.

If it is found to be possible to mine elements on the moon...you might well see a US based company do it. But if the moon helps regulate the earth's oceans, what happens when we take away from of its mass? The moon already drifts away from the earth at a constant rate.
 

RampantAndroid

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Also, a comment on another news site says Fox is claiming the buyer is none other than the US Navy. Can anyone confirm?
 

wuliheron

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Yeah...the space program in the US is being privatized, really. Not a bad thing, either - they'll do it more efficiently than NASA itself ever did. Not to downplay NASA's achievements, but NASA can't even attract college grads anymore.

If it is found to be possible to mine elements on the moon...you might well see a US based company do it. But if the moon helps regulate the earth's oceans, what happens when we take away from of its mass? The moon already drifts away from the earth at a constant rate.

The government is good for doing big research projects no one else can do, but the technology is advanced enough now the private firms should be encouraged to do more of the orbital work. Nasa's still researching lunar colonies, manned mars missions, and asteroid mining as possible future commercial ventures. Those are all the kinds of big research projects that commercial businesses might take forever to achieve, but the government has a vested interest in because of national security.

The moon is only moving away from the earth by about an inch per year and by the time we need to worry about it moving too far out I'm sure we'll have options.
 

Modelworks

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If it is found to be possible to mine elements on the moon...you might well see a US based company do it. But if the moon helps regulate the earth's oceans, what happens when we take away from of its mass? The moon already drifts away from the earth at a constant rate.

The He3 is only a tiny fraction of the moons mass. He3 is deposited by solar winds over millions of years so it wasn't part of the original mass of the moon. More like how sand blows over areas near a beach to cover the land. If He3 wasn't as energy packed as it is it wouldn't be worth the effort because there wouldn't be enough of it.
 

Double Trouble

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How many times do we have to see these kinds of hoaxes before everyone becomes skeptical enough to wait for peer review and actual independently reproduced evidence before believing any of it?
 

Schadenfroh

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Sweet, is he going to make a perpetual motion device next?

Nasa is retooling for military applications like the unmanned x37.
NASA has always been a PR arm of the Air Force. But, they do produce results and technology that trickles down into civilian life (like several military R&D projects).
 

bigi

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Sounds great but 1. Physicists will never believe that chemists can do what they can't. and 2. If there was anything to this, the inventor would be dead. There is no way the oil barons would let something like this out.

Finally, a good post after lots of puking...
 

JSt0rm

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The reason he cant get a patent is because he has to use "slide to unlock" so hes pretty much up shit creek.
 

Born2bwire

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Where is the 10x energy output than possible by chemical reaction coming from?

Could be a number of things. Off the top of my head, radioisotope batteries would be a good match. They have high energy density and can last a long time. But as for the OP, scientists do not claim that cold fusion is impossible and there is research into cold fusion at the moment (the DOE and the US Navy are funding such projects as I recall). Cold fusion, after the horrible PR fiasco that was Pons and Fleischman, has undergone a name change in order to try and remove the old stigma. However, they have yet to obtain sustained above unity cold fusion.

All this guy has done is said, "I've got this box. It puts out energy. You cannot look inside of the box. But trust me, I say it's cold fusion but I can't tell you the cold fusion works. Now that I have shown it puts out energy will you please give me a bajillion dollars so that I can make more of these boxes." It's like a salt con and when it comes to cold fusion it's nothing new. Let's see what's going on with this guy a year or two from now.
 
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Ryan711

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The original cold fusion experiment was discovered to be using ambient energy from the environment. Basically an inefficient solar power collector. What we need is cheap solar power and energy storage solutions. Some already exist that are extremely worthwhile like solar hot water preheaters that can pay for themselves almost immediately, but when we get to solar power roofing shingles then you'll know we've finally arrived.

uh, no, just no. You're so misinformed that it is not even funny. Please show me where ANYONE claimed that the original LENR experiments by Fleischmann–Pons were using "ambient energy". What does that even mean? Sounds like you're just pulling shit out of your ass to push some solar agenda.
 

DrPizza

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Rossi is full of shit. There is no cold fusion. His device is a scam. MSNBC should be ashamed of themselves for falling "victim" to this scam as well. The reporter covering that story is stupid for falling for it, else an unethical piece of shit pretending this is a real story simply to gain views from people who know it's a scam.
 

Atreus21

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How convenient that



Maybe he should get it patented, like anyone else would if this was legit.

Unless or until I read otherwise, cold fusion is an impossibility and experiments that purport to show otherwise are a hoax. I'd like to be wrong about this because it would be way cool if it worked. But color me extremely skeptical.

Don't be such a denier.
 

McWatt

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The cold fusion talks I've seen at APS deal with statistically unlikely but technically possible methods. It's not like real physicists will tell you it can't happen, but all of the existing techniques that show power generation have been later revealed to be hoaxes or calorimeter errors. Considering the details of this story, it's almost certainly the former.
 

DrPizza

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The earth is flat

There is no such thing as a virus

Just because we think something is impossible, does not make it fact.

And when did scientists believe that the Earth was flat? Ignoramuses may have thought so, and may have thought so well into the 15th century or later. Nonetheless, leading minds knew better. Leading minds had actually determined the circumference of the Earth. Plato led the way with an estimate of the circumference that was a bit to high; around two thousand and four hundred years ago. Evidence? How about the shadow of the Earth on the moon? They weren't THAT stupid.

Around 2250 years ago, Eratosthenes came up with a much better estimate, off by about 100 miles (out of the roughly 24,900 mile circumference.) Around the time of Columbus, educated people knew that the earth was spherical - the objection to him attempting to reach the East Indies by going west was "It's too big! You'll never make it!" He'd have died if our continent hadn't gotten in the way. If you think the reason for objections to Columbus' trip was because people thought the Earth was flat? Well, your comment suggests you think so, and is indicative of the quality of education you've received in your lifetime. Furthermore, Rossi's invention is the equivalent of saying "hey, I just figured out the Earth is actually a cube." Are you saying that it's not impossible that the Earth is a cube & we've just got it wrong??
 

FerrelGeek

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Yeah our push for solar here has been absolutely retarded. It should have started like it did in China, getting everyone to switch to a hot water preheater or water heater. They're so fucking cheap it's ridiculous. My father and I are looking to make one. We're talking about making a solar thermal steam generator(or at least trying) for shits and giggles as well.

Yeah. Solar would be perfect for places like Cleveland or Seattle. We just need to throw a few more $B at the other Solyndras out there. I'm sure Obama needs to pay back other campaign donors.
 

woolfe9999

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Rossi is full of shit. There is no cold fusion. His device is a scam. MSNBC should be ashamed of themselves for falling "victim" to this scam as well. The reporter covering that story is stupid for falling for it, else an unethical piece of shit pretending this is a real story simply to gain views from people who know it's a scam.

Yeah I agree with you about the MSN piece. I was kind of surprised to see this much credence given to an obvious sham in a mainstream outlet, but then again, maybe I shouldn't be.
 

RampantAndroid

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Yeah I agree with you about the MSN piece. I was kind of surprised to see this much credence given to an obvious sham in a mainstream outlet, but then again, maybe I shouldn't be.

Any confirmation on whether the buyer was the USN?
 
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