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Jadow

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I think the right 4 teams made it, who is the Big 12 kidding.

That being said, how about a 6 team playoff. teams 1 and 2 get a bye. That would only add 2 games.
 

Fingolfin269

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I think the right 4 teams made it, who is the Big 12 kidding.

That being said, how about a 6 team playoff. teams 1 and 2 get a bye. That would only add 2 games.

The only problem I see with 6 teams is then you have people complaining about how the top 2 were decided who got the advantage of having a bye week. I'd prefer we just go 8, pull the champs of the major conferences, and pull in a few at large to round it out.
 

Fingolfin269

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I have not been paying a lot of attention to this today so could be a bit behind. I'm surprised that no one from TCU or Baylor has been extremely vocal today. Or some rep from the Big 12 for that matter.

I did hear the head of the selection committee just after the announcement infer that OSU made it easier on them by winning their conference championship. He kept harping on conference championship. So I wonder if they just used that as a deciding factor to help them get out of the whole 'how do we handle the TCU vs. Baylor decision?' train wreck.
 
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LevelSea

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I think the end result is correct, although the path to it seems fouled up. TCU shouldn't have been third to begin with. Baylor, OSU and TCU should have been fighting for the 4th place spot, without the big drop.
 

twinrider1

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The committee sent a message to the Big 12. Get a championship (or at least pick one, no ties), and beef up your out of conference games. You don't have any control over the strength of your conference opponents. But you do control your out of conference schedule.

Ohio State: Navy, Virginia Tech, Kent State, Cincinnati
Baylor : SMU, Northwestern State, and Buffalo.
 

Adrenaline

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Since the committee looks at body of work:

OSU lost to Virginia Tech, the worst loss for anyone out of the top 4 or maybe even top 8. Congratulations on your 38th ranked strength of schedule OSU.

TCU lost to Baylor which is a much better loss than Baylor losing to West Virginia.

The Big 10 is not that good. OSU does not belong.
 

Genx87

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I think FSU has a very weak schedule and doesn't deserve the top spot. I don't think FSU could beat out the team Alabama lost to, let alone beat them. A lot of FSU's wins were very close to unranked teams. Sure, they won, but they weren't convincing. There is no way they are better than Alabama, and I'd put them below Oregon as well.


This was an interesting season with a lot of teams losing early to good teams that lost later and screwed themselves.

Winning ugly is better than losing pretty.
 
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Adrenaline

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Winning ugly is better than losing pretty.

I agree. FSU beat everyone they have played to this point, ranked and unranked. They may be in a weaker conference than someone else, but they still have run the table so far.
 

ElFenix

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Get a championship (or at least pick one, no ties),

NCAA won't let the big xii have a conference championship game without having 12 teams. there aren't 2 teams deserving of being in a P5 conference that aren't already in a P5 conference, and no one is leaving big, sec, pac, or acc for the big 12. seeing as how this thing is likely to go to 8 next time the contracts come up (or before), i don't think the big xii should be in a rush to add some scrubs just to get a conference championship game. the ACC's going to go back to being left out as soon as jameis ends up in jail leaves for the NFL anyway.

bowlsby's "let's go for 2" would only have worked if 2 of the other top teams lost, and they didn't, so he should have dropped it.

regardless, i'm not sure how much "presenting" baylor as champs would have mattered, it's not like you get a set amount of points for being champs. situation is fluid, and all up to whatever makes the mouse the most money.
 

Ferzerp

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The FSU fans are as delusional as the Notre Dame fans were a few years ago.

I am just sad that it won't get to be Alabama who gets to expose FSU this year.
 

Adrenaline

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I have not been paying a lot of attention to this today so could be a bit behind. I'm surprised that no one from TCU or Baylor has been extremely vocal today. Or some rep from the Big 12 for that matter.

I did hear the head of the selection committee just after the announcement infer that OSU made it easier on them by winning their conference championship. He kept harping on conference championship. So I wonder if they just used that as a deciding factor to help them get out of the whole 'how do we handle the TCU vs. Baylor decision?' train wreck.

It was an excuse he used to not have to make the hard decision. It doesn't look that hard:

OSU lost to Virgina Tech, a 6-6 team 35-21.

Baylor lost to West Virginia, a 7-5 team 41-27.

TCU lost to Baylor, an 11-1 team 61-58.

To me, one looks bad and one looks good with one in the middle.
 

SP33Demon

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FSU has a higher SOS and SOR ranking than OSU. I don't see why they should be ranked ahead of FSU.

FSU has wins over 3 ranked teams. I can't find it, does anybody know how many the other playoff teams have?

Fern

What are you looking at? Because Sagarin says OSU had a much stronger schedule than FSU who isn't even in the top 10 (#15).
http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm

TCU had the 2nd toughest SOS in the country and is left out. That's sad, but I can see why they chose undefeated teams over them to appease the masses. Outside of the SEC, the Big12 was the toughest conference in the country, a shame there was so much parity this year in that conference, almost every lesser team (KS, TX, WVU, TT) played the top teams (BU, OU, KSt, TCU) tough.
 
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Ferzerp

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It was an excuse he used to not have to make the hard decision. It doesn't look that hard:

OSU lost to Virgina Tech, a 6-6 team 35-21.

Baylor lost to West Virginia, a 7-5 team 41-27.

TCU lost to Baylor, an 11-1 team 61-58.

To me, one looks bad and one looks good with one in the middle.

Oh. So the opponents matter when the topic isn't FSU? Funny, I thought the record is all that matters
 

Adrenaline

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NCAA won't let the big xii have a conference championship game without having 12 teams. there aren't 2 teams deserving of being in a P5 conference that aren't already in a P5 conference, and no one is leaving big, sec, pac, or acc for the big 12. seeing as how this thing is likely to go to 8 next time the contracts come up (or before), i don't think the big xii should be in a rush to add some scrubs just to get a conference championship game. the ACC's going to go back to being left out as soon as jameis ends up in jail leaves for the NFL anyway.

bowlsby's "let's go for 2" would only have worked if 2 of the other top teams lost, and they didn't, so he should have dropped it.

regardless, i'm not sure how much "presenting" baylor as champs would have mattered, it's not like you get a set amount of points for being champs. situation is fluid, and all up to whatever makes the mouse the most money.

The Big 12 can apply for a waiver for a Championship Game due to having less than 12 teams.

At the same time they can blame Texas.
 

Adrenaline

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Oh. So the opponents matter when the topic isn't FSU? Funny, I thought the record is all that matters

The opponents matter. FSU won all their games in a power 5 conference and won their Championship Game. They are undefeated. If they had lost, they would have plummeted in the polls.
 

Genx87

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A lot has been said about FSU not having statement wins. This is the last 6 weeks worth of defense they faced.

Total Defense rank:
Louisville #6
UVA #30
Miami #14
BC #12
UF #9
GT #63

And toss on Clemson without Winston in OT

Clemson #1


Bamas last 6 weeks

Tenn #34
LSU #8 OT victory
MSU #79
WCU 7-5 FCS opponent
Auburn #59
Missouri #23

Oregon
Cal #121
Stanford #5
Utah #73
CU #110
Oregon State #76
Arizona #102

Dont count the Noles out just yet. I suspect if they played against the defenses like Bama and Oregon had to defeat. They would have a lot less closer games at the end.
 
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ElFenix

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The Big 12 can apply for a waiver for a Championship Game due to having less than 12 teams.

At the same time they can blame Texas.

texas (and OU) saved baylor, iowa state's, tech's, TCU's, and to a lesser extent, west virginia's, okstate and kstate's asses.

when that conference implodes the only teams sure to end up in one of the 4 super conferences from the xii are texas, OU, and kansas.

but, until that time, texas will continue to be the hero gotham deserves.
 

Genx87

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Also I dont know if people realize how young FSU is right now. At times they have 3 true freshman playing on their defensive line. Half their defensive backfield are true sophs or 3rd year guys. They have a true freshman at RB, left tackle, and 2 true freshman at reciever. Injury bug also got them. Every week a new round of linebackers. They were for the most part injury free last year. On defense I dont think they have a single senior starting.
 

Adrenaline

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They really need to go to some system where the major conferences have an automatic playoff berth and then some committee like this gets to choose At Large and seedings. Obviously this is like basketball but on a much smaller scale in terms of # of teams.

Example:

SEC - Alabama
Pac 10 - Oregon
ACC - Florida State
Big 10 - Ohio State
Big 12 - Baylor (Co-champ but would win via head to head in this example)
At Large #1 - TCU
At Large #2 - Ole Miss
At Large #3 - Michigan St.

Could limit to just 1 At Large team if you want a bye week for the top 2 but once again you get back to having people select the top 2 so in my opinion we should keep this even.

So just based on computer rankings* I came up with the following:

1) Alabama
8) Michigan State

2) Oregon
7) Ole Miss

3) TCU
6) Baylor

4) Ohio State
5) Florida State

*Based on computer rankings the 8th team would Mississippi State. In this example of an 8 team playoff I do think there should be some rule where only 2 teams from a single conference can participate.

Someone is always going to be left out of these things but in this case I do think it's better than what we have because at least your major conferences will always have a rep.

SEC Champion
Pac 10 Champion
ACC Champion
Big 10 Champion
Big 12 Champion
Non Power 5 best team (Would be Marshall this year)
At Large #1
At Large #2

Let the committee pick the last two at large bids, the Non Power 5 team and do the seeding for the eight teams. The Non Power 5 team would be the eighth seed almost every year.
 

Genx87

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The Big 12 shouldnt be surprised they are penalized for the lack of a conference championship game. The writing has been on the wall for years. Even in the old BCS system. That championship games is one more quality opponent to count. TCU playing Iowa State and beating the nations worst defense 55-3 is nothing worthy to talk about. Baylors win a lot better. But that is just another regular season matchup.
 

SP33Demon

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A lot has been said about FSU not having statement wins. This is the last 6 weeks worth of defense they faced.

Total Defense rank:
Louisville #6
UVA #30
Miami #14
BC #12
UF #9
GT #63

And toss on Clemson without Winston in OT

Clemson #1


Bamas last 6 weeks

Tenn #34
LSU #8 OT victory
MSU #79
WCU 7-5 FCS opponent
Auburn #59
Missouri #23

Oregon
Cal #121
Stanford #5
Utah #73
CU #110
Oregon State #76
Arizona #102

Dont count the Noles out just yet. I suspect if they played against the defenses like Bama and Oregon had to defeat. They would have a lot less closer games at the end.

Except Bama and Oregon are in the top 3 SOS while FSU is 15th, rendering your entire argument moot. You can't just look at defenses, nor 6 games.
 

Adrenaline

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texas (and OU) saved baylor, iowa state's, tech's, TCU's, and to a lesser extent, west virginia's, okstate and kstate's asses.

when that conference implodes the only teams sure to end up in one of the 4 super conferences from the xii are texas, OU, and kansas.

but, until that time, texas will continue to be the hero gotham deserves.

Texas is the reason the Big 12 was almost destroyed a few years ago and why the Championship game went away.

There are 64 teams inside the Power 5 right now. Super Conferences would be 16 teams each for the four leagues, making them 64 teams as well. I see maybe two teams that are not in the five major conferences that may get into a Super Conference bumping out two in the Big 12.
 
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SP33Demon

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The Big 12 shouldnt be surprised they are penalized for the lack of a conference championship game. The writing has been on the wall for years. Even in the old BCS system. That championship games is one more quality opponent to count. TCU playing Iowa State and beating the nations worst defense 55-3 is nothing worthy to talk about. Baylors win a lot better. But that is just another regular season matchup.

Strawman, TCU has the number 2 SOS in the 2nd toughest conference. Who cares about Iowa State? Every team has cupcakes on the schedule.
 

smackababy

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The Big 12 shouldnt be surprised they are penalized for the lack of a conference championship game. The writing has been on the wall for years. Even in the old BCS system. That championship games is one more quality opponent to count. TCU playing Iowa State and beating the nations worst defense 55-3 is nothing worthy to talk about. Baylors win a lot better. But that is just another regular season matchup.

The Big 12 should be penalized for not having 12 fucking teams. They are called the Big 12... They have 10 teams and are called the Big 12. Fuck them.
 

Genx87

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Except Bama and Oregon are in the top 3 SOS while FSU is 15th, rendering your entire argument moot. You can't just look at defenses, nor 6 games.

We can when evaluating why a team isnt pulling away and games are close. The last 6 games have been brutal for this team on offense. The games have got closer each subsequent week. It also gives us a picture of what we are getting right now. Now, and not at during the first half of the season.

Anyways what is SOS anyways but a collection of wins vs wins? SOS has meaning. But it is telling us that the teams Bama and Oregon played won a lot. In the SEC it shouldnt be difficult to have a high SOS given every other team is playing cupcakes OOC. The SEC west went something like 34-0 in OOC play. Their marquee wins in the west were over KSU and Wisc. Im not sure the west played any other ranked teams OOC.
 
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