College Football Playoff

[cronos]

The committee got it okay this year. It sucks for a few teams, but some teams will get left out, we knew that. Having said that, I like the BCS system better (yes, I'm one of those few who actually *didn't* really want a new system).

I'm not against a playoff in principle (though 6 or preferably 8 teams playoffs would be much much better than this 4), but I really like the computers side of the BCS, and dislike the idea of this committee. I think that the ability to choose the best teams to play for championship should not be 100% relegated to people, with feelings (and agenda). Especially if it's only 4 teams vs. 64 (68?) in the NCAAB. Yes, computer formula will have a programmed bias in it by design as well, but that's why there were six or seven different ones (and they take out the highest and lowest computer ranking from the result for each team).

At any rate, in my opinion what would be a better system than the current one (other than expanding the playoff field to 6 or 8 teams) is to use the BCS computers+polls system to rank the teams, and then at the end of the season teams ranked 1-4 (or 6/8) just go to the playoff. No committee needed.

 

[smackababy]

The committee got it okay this year. It sucks for a few teams, but some teams will get left out, we knew that. Having said that, I like the BCS system better (yes, I'm one of those few who actually *didn't* really want a new system).

My issue is the teams bitching about not making the top 4 wouldn't have made the BCS anyway. They'd be left out just like this year. Baylor still wouldn't have made it.

 

[Childs]

They really need an 8 team playoff. All BCS conference champs get in, and the rest at large. Its only one more round, and there wouldn't be any reason to complain. If you win your conference or are ranked high enough (top 4), to you get in. At large is mainly for independents like Notre Dame/BYU, and the runners up of the best conferences that year, or highly ranked teams from the smaller conference like a Boise St.

Big 12 really screwed itself by not having a championship game, although if it was Oklahoma or Texas instead of Baylor and TCU, someone from the Big 12 would have gotten in. I'm not going to complain about Ohio St. They've lost 3 games in the last 3 years. I actually want to see them play someone good. Sucks for Baylor and TCU, but they appear to essentially be the same, and they cancelled themselves out since you can't have both in.

 

[Fern]

My issue is the teams bitching about not making the top 4 wouldn't have made the BCS anyway. They'd be left out just like this year. Baylor still wouldn't have made it.

It looks to that by switching from the BCS and 2 teams to the committee and 4 teams we've just changed who bitches.

If we were still in the BCS who would be bitching?

You going to leave out the undefeated National Champions? Alabama? (and thus no SEC team), Oregon? Or OSU?

You'll never get rid of teams complaining about not being in. It's just a matter of who will be complaining.

Fern

 

[smackababy]

Notre Dame should be forced to join a conference. They already play 5 (I believe) ACC games. Make them be part of the ACC or no bowl eligibility.

It looks to that by switching from the BCS and 2 teams to the committee and 4 teams we've just changed who bitches.

If we were still in the BCS who would be bitching?

You going to leave out the undefeated National Champions? Alabama? (and thus no SEC team), Oregon? Or OSU?

You'll never get rid of teams complaining about not being in. It's just a matter of who will be complaining.

Fern

Under the BCS, I'd have little doubt it would be Alabama and FSU. It is debating who would be ranked 1 and 2 between them, I think.

 

[Fern]

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Big 12 really screwed itself by not having a championship game

Maybe, maybe not. That OSU victory was so complete a B12 team conference champ may not have gotten in anyway. But one things for sure, there could be only 1 B12 complaining.

I heard an interesting point. If OSU hadn't won and one of top 4 teams had lost, the Big 12 may have gotten two teams in the playoffs.

Both TCU and Baylor would likely have gotten in. Once you move to a conference championship game that possibility disappears because the loser will surely be out of consideration.

And just imagine if Alabama (or Oregon or FSU) had lost their championship game. That conference would have nobody in the playoffs.

Fern

 

[Fern]

Notre Dame should be forced to join a conference. They already play 5 (I believe) ACC games. Make them be part of the ACC or no bowl eligibility.
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Can't "make them". No means to force them exists.

One big sticking point is that they have their own TV contract. They can't join a conference with that. They'd have to wait until it runs out. (I suppose the could renegotiate, but I don't know why they'd pass up all that extra money. And I don't see the ACC accepting them as a full time member but not getting any of their TV money.)

But Notre dame has to worry that having no conference championship game might keep them out of the playoffs. To know that without a conference game your only chance is to go undefeated and have a strong OOC schedule (which they usually do) is pretty daunting.

Many think they'll eventually join a conference (likely the ACC) soon.

Fern

 

[Adrenaline]

Sheesh, Mizzu's been in the SEC championship twice in a row.
Fern

SEC East Representative

The SEC West is where it is at.

 

[Adrenaline]

yeah, good job basing an entire season around one game rather than the entire body of work, especially when that one game for OSU was as many wins ago as TCU/Baylor have in total, and was with a freshman QB with just 17 days of practicing with the starters.

you're delusional if you think OSU is the same team that lost to VT

You are delusional if you think losing to a bad team is acceptable because your first string QB was injured yet winning against Wisconsin 59-0 with your third string QB is amazing. Your backup needs to be ready to play, period. If your backup isn't ready to play and you lose, that is on the team.

FSU played against Clemson without their starter and won.

OSU has the worst loss of the one loss teams.

 

[cronos]

And just imagine if Alabama (or Oregon or FSU) had lost their championship game. That conference would have nobody in the playoffs.

Fern

Why is that so strange? If OSU didn't win the conference there wouldn't be any team from the B1G either.

 

[Adrenaline]

Straight 8 Team playoff after conference championship games won't work, too many games

I don't understand the too many games argument. After 13 games you play 3 more. That is an NFL regular season schedule and some schools play around 15 games a year in High School.

If college football played up to 16 games a year, it would be fine.

 

[Adrenaline]

Can't "make them". No means to force them exists.

One big sticking point is that they have their own TV contract. They can't join a conference with that. They'd have to wait until it runs out. (I suppose the could renegotiate, but I don't know why they'd pass up all that extra money. And I don't see the ACC accepting them as a full time member but not getting any of their TV money.)

But Notre dame has to worry that having no conference championship game might keep them out of the playoffs. To know that without a conference game your only chance is to go undefeated and have a strong OOC schedule (which they usually do) is pretty daunting.

Many think they'll eventually join a conference (likely the ACC) soon.

Fern

I think the last conference they joined for everything besides football required their football program to play a certain amount of games in that conference. They are going to lose some rivalries that they have had for years.

 

[smackababy]

I think the last conference they joined for everything besides football required their football program to play a certain amount of games in that conference. They are going to lose some rivalries that they have had for years.

They are only independent in football. Everything else, they are in the ACC.

 

[Adrenaline]

They are only independent in football. Everything else, they are in the ACC.

Yes, that is what I said. I am unsure if they are required to play a certain amount of football games against ACC teams, which I believe they are due to joining the ACC with all their other sports programs.

Looking at Notre Dame's football schedule for 2014, 2015 and 2016, I see a lot of ACC teams.

 

[smackababy]

They are. It is 5 I believe.

 

[Childs]

Maybe, maybe not. That OSU victory was so complete a B12 team conference champ may not have gotten in anyway. But one things for sure, there could be only 1 B12 complaining.

I heard an interesting point. If OSU hadn't won and one of top 4 teams had lost, the Big 12 may have gotten two teams in the playoffs.

Both TCU and Baylor would likely have gotten in. Once you move to a conference championship game that possibility disappears because the loser will surely be out of consideration.

And just imagine if Alabama (or Oregon or FSU) had lost their championship game. That conference would have nobody in the playoffs.

Fern

Thats why I like the idea of all the conference champs get in. It also settles the argument of this conference is better than that conference. The committee really screwed up with putting TCU #3. With TCU and Baylor, it was set up so that either both or none got in. What I don't get is why their tie breaker rules doesn't come down to head to head. Baylor should have been the champs this year, and a definitive Big 12 champ should have gotten in over the Big 10 champ this year.

I'm curious to see how FSU does in the playoff. I think the ACC might be a little better than they appear. The week before last the ACC beat the SEC head to head in 4 games. FSU is obviously not good as they were last year, but they still might be good enough. Unfortunately Oregon was probably the worst match up for them in the playoff. When teams get behind to Oregon they can't really catch up.

Notre Dame should be forced to join a conference. They already play 5 (I believe) ACC games. Make them be part of the ACC or no bowl eligibility.

Notre Dame has one of the best TV contracts around, and they have a quality schedule. If they can manage only 1 loss, maybe 2, they will be in the playoff every year. No reason to change it. BYU doesn't have that luxury, and they should have joined the Pac 12 with Utah instead of Colorado.

 

[Fern]

I think the last conference they joined for everything besides football required their football program to play a certain amount of games in that conference. They are going to lose some rivalries that they have had for years.

Yeah. In fact, I think they already lost some by agreeing to a 5 game schedule with the ACC.

Fern

 

[Adrenaline]

Yeah. In fact, I think they already lost some by agreeing to a 5 game schedule with the ACC.

Fern

I found another link.

Four in 2014, six in 2016 then five games against ACC opponents each year.

 

[smackababy]

Thats why I like the idea of all the conference champs get in. It also settles the argument of this conference is better than that conference. The committee really screwed up with putting TCU #3. With TCU and Baylor, it was set up so that either both or none got in. What I don't get is why their tie breaker rules doesn't come down to head to head. Baylor should have been the champs this year, and a definitive Big 12 champ should have gotten in over the Big 10 champ this year.

I'm curious to see how FSU does in the playoff. I think the ACC might be a little better than they appear. The week before last the ACC beat the SEC head to head in 4 games. FSU is obviously not good as they were last year, but they still might be good enough. Unfortunately Oregon was probably the worst match up for them in the playoff. When teams get behind to Oregon they can't really catch up.

You would think head to head is literally the first metric in a tie breaker. But, nope.

Notre Dame has one of the best TV contracts around, and they have a quality schedule. If they can manage only 1 loss, maybe 2, they will be in the playoff every year. No reason to change it. BYU doesn't have that luxury, and they should have joined the Pac 12 with Utah instead of Colorado.

Doesn't that run out soon? Notre Dame already has to play 5 ACC schools (I should probably look it up, as I believe it is 5, but am not positive). They can keep their rivalry games as OOC games. Their only real rivalries are USC and Navy, I thought. I suppose Stanford is another though.

 

[Attic]

I don't understand the too many games argument. After 13 games you play 3 more. That is an NFL regular season schedule and some schools play around 15 games a year in High School.

If college football played up to 16 games a year, it would be fine.

This makes more sense as I think about it. It would also give less break between end of season and first playoff game.

The main thing is dec 31/jan 1 games, everything needs to get down around that sealed deal. 8 Team playoff doesn't fit IMO and couldn't begin before Jan 1 due to constraints/realities of Bowl setup. Pushing college ball to far into Jan isn't likely to happen either.

 

[Childs]

Doesn't that run out soon? Notre Dame already has to play 5 ACC schools (I should probably look it up, as I believe it is 5, but am not positive). They can keep their rivalry games as OOC games. Their only real rivalries are USC and Navy, I thought. I suppose Stanford is another though.

They traditionally play two or three teams from each of these conferences: Pac 12, Big 10, ACC, and service academies (Always Navy, and alternate between Air Force and Army). The constants are USC, Stanford, Navy, and Michigan. They always have a great schedule on paper, which is probably made for TV. They are also a polarizing team. If you can find a way to get Notre Dame in the major bowls its always a ratings win.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

You are delusional if you think losing to a bad team is acceptable because your first string QB was injured yet winning against Wisconsin 59-0 with your third string QB is amazing. Your backup needs to be ready to play, period. If your backup isn't ready to play and you lose, that is on the team.

FSU played against Clemson without their starter and won.

OSU has the worst loss of the one loss teams.

failing to realize that context matters
failing to realize that OSU would be undefeated if they had played a Buffalo instead of a VT
failing to account for the entire rest of the season to judge the strength/weakness of a team

keep QQing

 

[Fern]

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Doesn't that run out soon? Notre Dame already has to play 5 ACC schools (I should probably look it up, as I believe it is 5, but am not positive). They can keep their rivalry games as OOC games. Their only real rivalries are USC and Navy, I thought. I suppose Stanford is another though.

Boston College is another frequent ND game. They're both private Catholic universities. Also, ND has a ton of alumni in that area of the US.

Also U of M. Again, both are private schools. But these two are in the ACC, so those rivalry games won't be lost

Purdue and Mich St have long been a rivals too. I think these 2 are pretty well gone now that ND must schedule 5 (or 6 in some yrs) ACC games.

Fern

 

[smackababy]

If Notre Dame played relevant teams from all the conferences, it would be far more impressive IMO.

 

[Adrenaline]

failing to realize that context matters
failing to realize that OSU would be undefeated if they had played a Buffalo instead of a VT
failing to account for the entire rest of the season to judge the strength/weakness of a team

keep QQing

When there are three teams with one loss and one loses to Virginia Tech that is 6-6. That is the worst loss of the three. Do you think Baylor losing to West Virginia that finished 7-5 is worse?

I think TCU losing only to Baylor, an 11-1 team does more than either of the others.

As I said earlier, had FSU lost to someone they would have plummeted. FSU would probably be behind all of the one loss teams. You know what, they didn't lose. Even when their first string QB sat out a game, they didn't lose.

Congratulations to OSU on losing to Virginia Tech. Without OSU losing, Virginia Tech would not be bowl eligible.