College Football Playoff

[Muse]

I'd also like to throw out that in my opinion FSU should be #1. Defending national champions and undefeated yet they are #3? Come on man!

Quoting the OP. I watched that game and I was telling the guys next to me that FSU was a vampire and not dead until you drive a stake through their heart. By the end of the 3rd quarter the vampire blood covered the field.

 

[zinfamous]

There were 5 games yesterday.

and one was on TV.

 

[cronos]

I remember when NY day was once filled with college football on TV, but there was only one game on all day yesterday: Missouri vs Minnesota.

wtf happened?

They rest of them are on ESPN.

 

[zinfamous]

They rest of them are on ESPN.

exactly my point.

total garbage.

 

[Muse]

Not having an 8 team playoff system is stupid

It may well be coming soon, hopefully to an on-air television network near you. I've been pissed for years that Fox let ESPN outbid them for the 2011-2014 TV etc. rights. I'm thinking they let one get away there, we'll see what happens now. If that shit happens for the NFL, nasty. They are the only ones that still have the playoffs on broadcast TV. Baseball, basketball, NCAA basketball tournament, FBS championship playoff, all wholly or partially dealt off to subscription TV.

 

[Fingolfin269]

"only" facts?

OSU 49 MSU 37

MSU 42, Baylor 41

Baylor 61 TCU 58

Those games all seem to be decidedly closer than the Ole Miss / TCU game.

I know some people love college football due to this type of discussion but for me it's one of the aspects to continue to hold it back. This really needs to be decided on the field.

One final one to throw out there...

Virginia Tech 35
Ohio State 21
(in Columbus)

Virginia Tech went on to lose to Eastern Carolina the next week.. in Blacksburg.

Pretty sure everyone knows that OSU had the worst loss of the 3. They were just fortunate enough to be hot at the right time and be the definitive champion of their conference.

And for the record I am certainly not arguing that OSU is bad. They proved they're not. Just further airing my frustration with the college football system in general. 4 is certainly better than 2 but in my opinion more would be better.

 

[smackababy]

exactly my point.

total garbage.

Aww, poor baby. You can't be on the 68% of Americans with cable TV. I suppose you expect everything else to be free as well?

 

[Fingolfin269]

Quoting the OP. I watched that game and I was telling the guys next to me that FSU was a vampire and not dead until you drive a stake through their heart. By the end of the 3rd quarter the vampire blood covered the field.

Yeah Oregon positioned the stake and FSU proceeded to drive it in themselves repeatedly. Not sure I've seen so many ridiculous turnovers in a row.

 

[Fingolfin269]

They rest of them are on ESPN.

Ah didn't even pay attention to that since I have ESPN. Pretty wild that even the championship playoff games are on ESPN.

 

[Train]

OSU loss was right after losing a Heisman candidate QB. They were a different team come playoffs.

TCU is the same team now as when they lost to Baylor... who we have now seen is not as good as B1G's #2 or 3 team.

OSU beat MSU in Lansing. Baylor lost to MSU in frikkin Texas.

 

[Fingolfin269]

OSU loss was right after losing a Heisman candidate QB. They were a different team come playoffs.

TCU is the same team now as when they lost to Baylor... who we have now seen is not as good as B1G's #2 or 3 team.

OSU beat MSU in Lansing. Baylor lost to MSU in frikkin Texas.

Sure they were a different team come playoffs. With yet another QB. They blow the VT game after losing a QB then win the conference championship after losing a QB. You can't argue the QB point both ways.

 

[Train]

Sure they were a different team come playoffs. With yet another QB. They blow the VT game after losing a QB then win the conference championship after losing a QB. You can't argue the QB point both ways.

I'm not arguing anything both ways. Are you implying I said OSU won the BCG and Sugar BECAUSE of backup QB's ? Cuz I certainly did not.

JT Barret would have been my choice over Jones 8 days a week.

 

[Childs]

The SEC teams are beat up, from top to bottom it's the most physically demanding conference and every team lost almost half their starters over the year. When another conference comes along and wins 7 titles in 9 years, let me know.

Dream on.

I have no doubt at all USC would have taken down some of those SEC teams. USC used to schedule SEC teams and beat them.

2002: USC vs Auburn - W 24–17 (9-4, 5-3 SEC)
2003: Auburn vs USC - W 23-0 (8-5, 5-3 SEC)
2005: Arkansas vs USC - W 70–17 (4-7, 2-5 SEC)
2006: USC vs Arkansas - W 50–14 (Arkansas 10-4, 7-1 in SEC)

Then the SEC stopped scheduling them. USC under Carroll would take on anyone, any place. In fact, USC has never played a D1-AA school, and SEC teams have 2-3 of those every year. USC under Carroll had 28-3 non conference record, and those 3 came in his first year. They did lose a National Title game to Texas, but watching that game I don't think anyone outside of Texas thought the Longhorns could do it again. Especially when USC shot themselves with plays like Bush running for 60 yards then lateraling to no one.

But anyways, at least with the playoff system we'll know whats up.

Although in all fairness, I would have said same about the Big 10 when they always got someone in (usually OSU), and the Big 12 (usually Oklahoma). Conferences get these reps of being better than they are from time to time. Even though the playoffs should be expanded a bit, the new system will force the eventual champion to earn their title.

 

[zinfamous]

Aww, poor baby. You can't be on the 68% of Americans with cable TV. I suppose you expect everything else to be free as well?

when have premiere national games ever been limited to cable-only broadcasts, let alone end-of-season bowl games?

It's unprecedented. And before you cream yourself with your cable access, know that whatever number you are quoting, if accurate, is actually falling. Less and less people are sticking with cable/satellite. These contracts are going in the wrong direction, tbh.

In the end, I care about college sports less and less, anyway. Trying to make this so-called "amateur" sport an exclusive or premium affair does the knuckleheads in the NCAA and big universities no good.

 

[Balt]

Well the Noles kept it close for 2.5 quarters, but finally dug themselves into a hole that was impossible to get out of.

Oregon's offense is just too damn fast. Also, given the number of times Winston sat in the pocket and still couldn't always find open receivers, Oregon's defensive secondary must be pretty decent good too (even if the Noles' offensive stats ended up looking pretty good overall, excluding the horrific turnovers).

 

[Fingolfin269]

I'm not arguing anything both ways. Are you implying I said OSU won the BCG and Sugar BECAUSE of backup QB's ? Cuz I certainly did not.

JT Barret would have been my choice over Jones 8 days a week.

Certainly not. But if the backup QB is why they lost to VT then why were they able to win the conference championship and then the playoff game with the 3rd string QB? Just pointing out that based on championship game results the use of the QB excuse in the awful VT loss is not a good one.

 

[smackababy]

It's unprecedented. And before you cream yourself with your cable access, know that whatever number you are quoting, if accurate, is actually falling. Less and less people are sticking with cable/satellite. These contracts are going in the wrong direction, tbh. .

That is actually not true. Cable TV access has stayed at 68% over the last 10 years, despite what "cord cutters" would like to believe.

 

[Train]

Certainly not. But if the backup QB is why they lost to VT then why were they able to win the conference championship and then the playoff game with the 3rd string QB? Just pointing out that based on championship game results the use of the QB excuse in the awful VT loss is not a good one.

It wasn't just the QB, the offensive line was a bunch of newbs as well. Who by the end of the season became an amazing unit.

 

[highland145]

In the end, I care about college sports less and less, anyway. Trying to make this so-called "amateur" sport an exclusive or premium affair does the knuckleheads in the NCAA and big universities no good.

says the guy that can't afford cable.




Happy New Year, zin.

 

[Train]

Put it this way, if we were to give both TCU and OSU a redo on their loss today...

TCU could realistically still lose. OSU rapes VT into oblivion.

 

[zinfamous]

says the guy that can't afford cable.




Happy New Year, zin.

Actually, my lack of interest began in earnest the more I looked into the actual finances of ADs at all of the universities, and these "big programs" utter irrelevance to the schools with which they are tied. That, and Penn State and their horrible fans wrg to the child rape stuff. Pretty much soured me on all of it.

so yeah, lots of indifference towards the institution these days. :\

Happy New Years to you, too!

 

[Fingolfin269]

Put it this way, if we were to give both TCU and OSU a redo on their loss today...

TCU could realistically still lose. OSU rapes VT into oblivion.

That's basically another way of saying OSU had a bad loss. Bad is not even the best word. Atrocious? Sickening?

Yet in the end it didn't even hurt them. TCU loses in a multi-OT game against another top team and gets punished.

But hey, it's college football. Some people enjoy this type of drama. Big school bias. Etc.

/not a TCU fan!

 

[smackababy]

That's basically another way of saying OSU had a bad loss. Bad is not even the best word. Atrocious? Sickening?

Yet in the end it didn't even hurt them. TCU loses in a multi-OT game against another top team and gets punished.

But hey, it's college football. Some people enjoy this type of drama. Big school bias. Etc.

/not a TCU fan!

I think TCU was punished more for not having a conference champion than their loss. Bama lost, and it really looks like their center being injured was a big part of it, and they weren't necessarily punished. They were "forgiven" similar to OSU. I think a lot of it came down to just how strong a team was looking towards the end of the season, with exception to FSU, as until they had a loss they had to be in the playoffs, regardless of how terrible they looked at times.

TCU can be upset all they want, but they can blame their own conference for that. Baylor should be more upset, as they have the head to head against TCU and should have gotten the conference championship. There is no reason for a tie or co champions. It is just beyond idiotic. At worst, it should have come down to a coin flip or something.

 

[Train]

meh, Baylor isn't really a top team either, both came from a conf with overrated teams.

TCU got a lot of hype for beating OK when they were #3, OK ended up 8-5 and getting demolished by Clemson. Had OK had 1 or 2 of those losses before meeting TCU, that win doesn't seem so impressive.

Big School Bias? eyeroll.

 

[Fingolfin269]

I think TCU was punished more for not having a conference champion than their loss. Bama lost, and it really looks like their center being injured was a big part of it, and they weren't necessarily punished. They were "forgiven" similar to OSU. I think a lot of it came down to just how strong a team was looking towards the end of the season, with exception to FSU, as until they had a loss they had to be in the playoffs, regardless of how terrible they looked at times.

TCU can be upset all they want, but they can blame their own conference for that. Baylor should be more upset, as they have the head to head against TCU and should have gotten the conference championship. There is no reason for a tie or co champions. It is just beyond idiotic. At worst, it should have come down to a coin flip or something.

We really need 8 teams in this thing. Then the TCU and Baylor argument would be moot. Of course you'd then get into the discussion on which 2 loss teams deserve being in but I don't care as much about that. To me that's more opportunity for a 'less deserving' playoff team to potentially get hot and run the tournament table.