Mrvile
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Originally posted by: shud
The 3700+ San Diego also has a 1MB L2 cache, although I doubt you'd be able to OC it as much as a Venice.
People have been hitting 2.8 on stock voltage, 2.9 on air.
Originally posted by: shud
The 3700+ San Diego also has a 1MB L2 cache, although I doubt you'd be able to OC it as much as a Venice.
Originally posted by: Mrvile
Originally posted by: shud
The 3700+ San Diego also has a 1MB L2 cache, although I doubt you'd be able to OC it as much as a Venice.
People have been hitting 2.8 on stock voltage, 2.9 on air.
Originally posted by: Stokes
Well, I would really like to fit a 6800GT into the build if I can and keeping the price down. The thing with s754 that appealed was AGP is cheaper for the 6800GT and everything was cheaper allowing the 6800GT to come into play here. Maybe there are things in the build that have an alternative counterpart that is cheaper but just as good? Things like the PSU? (Please keep in mind noise)
Maybe a cheaper LCD that still is a good gamer, or different RAM?
It surprises me that the 3700 can't be overclocked that much....
Originally posted by: Ike0069
Originally posted by: Stokes
Well, I would really like to fit a 6800GT into the build if I can and keeping the price down. The thing with s754 that appealed was AGP is cheaper for the 6800GT and everything was cheaper allowing the 6800GT to come into play here. Maybe there are things in the build that have an alternative counterpart that is cheaper but just as good? Things like the PSU? (Please keep in mind noise)
Maybe a cheaper LCD that still is a good gamer, or different RAM?
It surprises me that the 3700 can't be overclocked that much....
If you want to go AGP, just get the K8N Neo2 Platinum MB. It uses the NF3 chipset (AGP), and is the best OC'ing NF3 board. You should be able to OC a 3200+ Venice extremely well with it, and then get your AGP 6800 GT to go with it.
Originally posted by: BakedPhish
The reason why i want to get a 3700+ or a 3800+ is because i want to use a 939 socket so i can get a dual core later on. Also I think I will upgrade my Video card in a year or so when the next generation drops down in price.
Do you think the single core CPUs will drop in price with in 2 months after the dual become popular?
Originally posted by: BakedPhish
With the set up i have will it run WoW and HalfLife2 at decent FPS?
Originally posted by: Ike0069
Basically the the difference is no SLI possibility (although I don't think SLI is a good choice anyways), and when you are ready to upgrade the VC, AGP may not be available or may be more expensive. This is an unknown right now.
But a 6800 GT will likely last you until you are ready to get a new MB anyways. The safest decision would be to go with PCI-e, but that doesn't mean it's the best decision. I personally think AGP still has life left, and I expect the next generation cards to be fully released in AGP also.
Originally posted by: Mrvile
Originally posted by: BakedPhish
With the set up i have will it run WoW and HalfLife2 at decent FPS?
Definately. Here's an even cheaper setup that will run them both perfectly:
CPU: 3200+
Motherboard: Any good nForce4 motherboard like DFI, MSI, Asus
Video card: 6800GT or X800XL
Ram: 1GB Corsair Valueram
Hard drive: Any good brand 7200rpm SATA of at least 120GB
And everything else you listed. The whole setup would cost about 1400 dollars, and would run HL2 at 1200 x 1000 with maxed settings quite well.
Originally posted by: Stokes
The price of the overall system probably would be the same if not less, when you consider the price difference estimated here:
DFI NF3: $103
DFI Ultra-D: $132
Difference: $29
Venice 3200+ : $197
3700+ ClawHammer: 290
Difference: $93
Total Difference: $64
$64 worth the performance increase?
PCI-E x800xl: $269
AGP x800xl: $316
Difference: $47
PCI-E 6800GT: $350 (Estimate)
AGP 6800GT: $290 (Estimate)
Difference: $60
PCI-E x800xl versus AGP 6800GT
roughly $10 difference
What are the overall thoughts here?
Originally posted by: shud
Originally posted by: Mrvile
Originally posted by: BakedPhish
With the set up i have will it run WoW and HalfLife2 at decent FPS?
Definately. Here's an even cheaper setup that will run them both perfectly:
CPU: 3200+
Motherboard: Any good nForce4 motherboard like DFI, MSI, Asus
Video card: 6800GT or X800XL
Ram: 1GB Corsair Valueram
Hard drive: Any good brand 7200rpm SATA of at least 120GB
And everything else you listed. The whole setup would cost about 1400 dollars, and would run HL2 at 1200 x 1000 with maxed settings quite well.
$1400? There's no way. I have a setup with 2GB of Corsair Value and a 3700+ and it's only just over $900.
Originally posted by: Stokes
Is it very viable to get 2.7 stable? By an everyday overclocker with value ram? Or is that a number people have gotten to in the past?
The price of the 3700+ is very similar, probably a difference of maybe $50 in the end. (In comparison to the Venice 3200+ build)
Now the s939 build with the AGP 6800GT is probably the cheapest of all of them, especially with that refurbished motherboard.
Thoughts? and what ram would go with these boards
Well, the 3200+ would be OC'ed also. The 3200+ venice should reach 2.6-2.8 GHz, so they would end up being about the same. Then consider the 3200+ is about $100 cheaper, and that's why it's a very good choice.Originally posted by: DanDaMan315
In no way does a Venice 3200 = Clawhammer 1mb cache 3700. NO WAY. The 3700 will smoke it, the 3700 will do 2.7 stable on air, and this 2.7 is greater than a Venice 2.7 b/c of the added cache. The only real added benefit of 939 is dual channel support, which for A64's the increase is only about 5%, not enough to make up for the greatly increased clock speed.
My friend has a 3700 and it seems to overclock better than the lower Clawhammer chips.
Not many people get a new CPU without buying a new motherboard as well, so it's just my opinion that for people, like myself, who don't plan on buying a new computer every 6 months, that 754 is good option.
Both those boards are top of the line OC'ers. Can't go wrong with either, but personally I would go with the S939. You can always get a 3500+ Venice (about the same price as a 3700+ clawhammer) if you'd like. It likely won't OC any higher than the 3200+ though.Originally posted by: Stokes
Thanks for the ram suggestion. I'm still unsure of what to go with. I've now moved over to AGP for sure and either the s939 Neo2 Plat w/ a 3200 venice OR s754 3700 Clawhammer on the DFI NF3.
Torn at what to do.