College Laptop / Shuttle Recommendation

bharok

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Hi,
I will be a freshman next year @ Cornell University (College of Engineering). What kind of a computer should I get. I was either going to build a shuttle xpc or get a centrino laptop. I like the dell D800 (maybe D600 - have not considered yet) and the ThinkPad T40.

ThinkPad T40 - very nice with long battery life, but expensive - I may be able to get a 15-20% discount on one from a friend.
Dell D800 - Good but worried about the construction quality, it is also very thick and heavy.
Overall I like the apple powerbook 15" which i can get for a good price though the ADC store but I am worried it will not run engineering apps I may need. OS X seems good but I am not sure I like it.
I may do some gaming (mainly FPS). I also have lately become interested in linux. So may think of making the system a dual boot.

What should I do?? and Why?
 

ComradeXavier

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I'd recommend getting a laptop rather than the xpc; you'll have greater flexibility in how you use it. First of all, you should talk to the people in the engineering dept. and find out what platform the software you'll need runs on. If it's Intel-platform, I'd recommend the ThinkPad. IBM is the king of quality laptop computers, although they cost more. On the other hand, the PowerBooks are very well-made machines; if you can get the necessary engineering software, it's probably a personal aesthetic choice between the two.

Any of those systems will run Linux, so you don't have to worry about that.
 

OldSpooky

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If you can afford it, get the ThinkPad T40, otherwise, the Dell Latitude D600 is a fine choice. I opted for the Dell because it was within my budget. I have a review on the D600 posted a few threads down.
 

bharok

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Thanks OldSooky, I just read your review. the main thing I didnt like was that the keyboard was not good. (since I will probably be typing many papers in college)
Let me know how the video is once you test it out.
Also, does the 14" screen feel small, since it is 1024x768?



 

HokieESM

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bharok, as a fellow engineering student, I've got a few recommendations (qualitative, not brand-specific).

First of all, I would check with Cornell. I know here at VT, they have mandatory computer regulations for new engineering students (they have to buy a laptop with XP Pro and at least 512 MB of RAM and at least a P4-M).

I would definitely go PC-based--many, many of the applications that you will need to run are PC-only (or MAC versions won't be carried by your school store). Plus, compatibility won't be an issue. Fortunately/unfortunately, depending on what camp you're in, I would run XP Pro--you'll be trading files back and forth with professors and other students--and the last thing you want to run into is compatibility problems. I personally have a computer running W2K and another running Linux. Many of my friends dual-boot.

The IBM T40 appears to be the top-of-the-heap in terms of the new Centrino notebooks. I would definitely go this way if you have the cash.

The biggest recommendation is that you run out and get at least these three things--the docking station for your computer, a full size keyboard, and a mouse. All three of these can sit on your desk--don't plan on moving them. Because the LAST thing you want to do after a LONG day is fight 100 cords hooking up your laptop to do your work. Another nice thing to have is a monitor--a 18" LCD (Dell has some nice deals on the 1800FP) would be great. The text is bigger, and it'll be easier for you to write your papers/do your programming/check the web for class assignments, etc. With this setup, you can slam in your laptop, turn it on, and work (like it was a SFF desktop)... but when you need to work elsewhere, you can just pop it out and go.

Anyways.... good luck next year at Cornell!
 

OldSpooky

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Let me know how the video is once you test it out.

3DMark 2001SE I get about 4800 + or - 50 points. Keep in mind that this is the weaker 32 MB Radeon 9000.

Also, does the 14" screen feel small, since it is 1024x768

1024x768 feels just right for this LCD. I've seen a few 1400x1050 screens on friends' notebooks and I think that high a res is too small for a 14" LCD. People at support.dell.com have actually complained that the higher res 14" screen causes eyestrain (but those people probably have poor vision like me).
 

Shivatron

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Originally posted by: bharok
What should I do?? and Why?

Firstly, as an engineering student here at Queen's University, congratulations on choosing to be an engineer. It's loads of fun (even if you're 17 like me and thus can't get hammered every weekend -- JK).

With respect to your choice of computer, let me start off by pointing out the obvious -- do you really need a laptop? Unless you've got a fat wad of cash burning a hole in your pocket, I trust that you realize that from a price vs. performance standpoint, a desktop is a much better choice. Especially if you live in Res on campus -- here at Queen's, your room's so close that usually you can check email in between classes if you hurry.

When making this decision, be sure to keep in mind that you probably won't be taking notes with your laptop in class. (I only mention this because it seems to be a common misconception, especially with parents for some reason.) I have many, many friends with laptops and I only know one person who brings his -- and he uses it to play MegaMan during lectures. While you can expect to have lecture notes available online, most people just print them out and bring them to class. That way, they a) have a hard copy to study from and b) can add notes to the hard copy while in class. Further, if there is no campus wide WiFi network, then you have to remember to download the notes before coming to class, thus negating the "convenience" factor.

The pros of owning a laptop, on the other hand, are obvious. If you spend alot of time away from your desk, then it makes no sense to have $2000 of computer equipment gathering dust while you're away. (This is especially clear for me, as I'm doing a dual degree in Engineering Physics and Computer Science, which means I have umpteen hours of class a day punctuated by short (50min) breaks. To top it all off, I live a 25min walk from campus, which means no getting back in between class.) Also, as I noted above, if you have a WiFi network at your school, so much the better. (While we don't have WiFi, we do have ethernet jacks all over the place. They're about as prolific as electrical outlets.)

As for a PC vs. a Mac, I would recommend getting a PC, because of the following:
  1. Connectivity. When you need to print out an essay and you've run out of ink, you really don't want to worrk about finding someone with a USB, Mac compatible printer. As for ResNet, that's a moot point because as we all know, Mac plays nice with Win on a network.
  2. Software. I have only ever had one situation where a piece of software required for a course was available for Win only. In that case, it was a CAD suite that wouldn't run under VirtualPC (Win emulator for Mac, for the uninitiated), so anyone with a Mac (both of them ) were left to work in the labs. YMMV, of course, especially depending on what you decide to concentrate in. However, one thing is for certain: res is a huge, constant LAN party (except you don't have to move your stuff); and guess what -- VirtualPC doesn't do CounterStrike!
Before I have to don my Nomex underwear, let me just that I have been a Mac user for many years and believe it is indeed superior in many ways to Windows.

If you do decide to get a laptop, I would choose a T40. In fact, I am planning to get a T40 myself at the end of the summer. TabletPCs are nice in concept, but right now, the price vs. performace ratio is not feasable for anyone poorer than Bill Gates. Why T40? Well, by all current accounts:
  1. Fast.
  2. Durable.
  3. Reliable.
  4. Compact.
  5. Did I mention fast?
If you can't quite afford an IBM, the Dell Latitudes are good as well. The D800 seems to be especially well-priced. I wouldn't get an Inspirion, just because of what I read on these forums and others about various build issues. IMO, it's worth the extra $200 to get the Latitude.

If you decide to get a PC, I wouldn't get a Shuttle. Why? Well, if you buy a PC now, you might want to keep it for a few years, and then upgrade. In a Shuttle, your options are somewhat limited. You might want to add multiple drives, maybe overclock, et cetera; some of there things may be more difficult in a Shuttle, others may be impossible. At this point, you don't want to limit your options, especially if (once again) you don't have a money orchard. Don't get me wrong, a Shuttle has a place -- as a compact PC, a media center, a LAN party rig -- but none of these fits the description of typical res life.

Well, I have said quite enough, so I will step off my soapbox. One last thing though -- definately do a dual boot with Linux. Playing with a *Nix OS is one of the funnest things you can do with a computer, IMO, even if you only use it to confuse your Arts friends. ("What? I just wanted to type a note -- you say type vi? Huh?")

'Nuff said.
 

beer

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I am going to be a 2nd-year EE next fall at UT Austin. For what it's worth, a laptop would have been useless in all of my freshman classes. Plus, if you buy a T40, you need to worry about theft. Dorms aren't the most secure place in the world. While I have never had anything stolen, a friend of mine had his dorm broken into and his roommate's laptop was stolen. The friend in question had a desktop and it was untouched.

Most of my freshman classes were entirely lecture-oriented. I've had two labs, but neither would have really been enhanced had I had a laptop. And if you intend to game...I wouldn't really think about a laptop too heavily. College life will be dramatically different from everything you've seen in the past, so it might be best not to have to worry with a laptop just yet. Besides, if you bring it to class, you might lose focus of the lecture, and that's not a good thng.
 

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I'm typing this on a Dell Inspiron 600m. it's great i like it. I'm a junior Computer Engineering major. and this is my college laptop. i just got it this weekend. it's great. i just got all my programs install and i have the SVGA+ screen so my resolution is 1400x1050 and it's great. i like it. i have no problems with the text.
 
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