College networking pains

[Novaric]

Ok, so after headin to orientation i've been informed i'm only assigned one IP address and therefore will not be able to put a hub in my room to network my school-work laptop and my personal enjoyment desktop....wtf...

Anyone know a workaround to this? Is there any way i can network both computers to share the IP or something? I'd like to be able to use the laptop and desktop at once...so a KVM switch type thing wouldn't really help...Any input is MUCH appreciated.

Also, i'd like to share a printer with my roomate...that's why i thought a print server hub would be perfect

 

[Soybomb]

Your average broadband router would work fine. It may be against their policy though so take that for what its worth

 

[KpocAlypse]

Your standard router will do the trick, else run one as a ICS box, but thats abit of a pain in the rear. Used to work of a universities' RESnet, and it usually is against the rules, but we would rairly check unless you did something naughty, like download 4 gigs a night, or some record label compains that your sharring Barry Manilow's greatest hits over Kazaa.

Just don't go wireless..

EDIT: can't spell

 

[paradawx87]

i'm trying to do something similar...if I only have one IP, will I be able to connect the router directly to the wall, and have both computers connected to the router (and assign local IP's to both computers)? any special software required?
I know another way is to have a 2nd nic in a server computer, but I'd rather not require that one computer be on in order to connect the other to the internet.

 

[Sideswipe001]

paradawx: Yes, that's right. The router would connect to the wall, and the computers would connect to the router. There is not any software required, unless the router you get has some. I use a Netgear one that doesn't require anything. You log into the router to change settings by using a web browser. Takes 5 minutes to set up.

 

[Reel]

For what its worth, I used a Netgear router at UNC's resnet and it worked fine.

 

[randal]

at CU Boulder, you could just plug in and *voila* internet .. they had a dhcp server that leased to near everything. You could try that first (cuz then it's the DHCP server admin's fault, not yours (you just plugged in the cable)) ... and then go for a router.

randal

 

[Novaric]

So i have to get a router, not a hub? And are there routers with built in print servers? And how much configuring would a router require

 

[Dowfen]

I don't think there are routers with print servers in them......, but I could be wrong.

The router should require minimal configuring. Just needs the IP address your assigned then it routes it to a new subnet with lots of IPs. Easiest would be just have it doing DHCP and not bother with statically assigning them on each of your computers.

As for the printer, why not just share it off one of your computers? As long as you don't shut it down and it's Win2k or XP it should be pretty stable.

Eric

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

Originally posted by: KpocAlypse
Your standard router will do the trick, else run one as a ICS box, but thats abit of a pain in the rear. Used to work of a universities' RESnet, and it usually is against the rules, but we would rairly check unless you did something naughty, like download 4 gigs a night, or some record label compains that your sharring Barry Manilow's greatest hits over Kazaa.

Just don't go wireless..

EDIT: can't spell

uh-oh, I have downloaded 10GB om the last 12 hoursP

 

[KpocAlypse]

Originally posted by: DeathByAnts

Originally posted by: KpocAlypse
Your standard router will do the trick, else run one as a ICS box, but thats abit of a pain in the rear. Used to work of a universities' RESnet, and it usually is against the rules, but we would rairly check unless you did something naughty, like download 4 gigs a night, or some record label compains that your sharring Barry Manilow's greatest hits over Kazaa.

Just don't go wireless..

EDIT: can't spell

uh-oh, I have downloaded 10GB om the last 12 hoursP

Heh, thank god i graduated to unemployment, i'd be having to call you in the morning, then disable the port..

Honestly, the posted "Limit" was 1 gig in a 24 hour period, but we had peeps going over that, most of the time we just called "that one guy" that had like double the traffic of the normal high-usage group. Or if you had like multiple "high" days in a row. But again, check with your RESnet, they might not even care.

 

[amdskip]

I was wondering this same thing. I definately want a good firewall so a router is the way to go but routers are not allowed according to them.

 

[Novaric]

i think what everyone is telling us amdskip is that the campus people are lying to us

So i guess i should just take a router, plug my box, my laptop and my roomie's box up, set up maybe some DHCP on the router, and plug a printer in one of the boxes?

Thanks for all the help so far. Any suggestions on what gear to buy?

 

[paradawx87]

Originally posted by: KpocAlypse
Your standard router will do the trick...
Just don't go wireless..


What's wrong with going wireless? I could plug a wireless router into the regular router, no? Actually better yet, since we have two jacks in the room, we would probably connect a standard router to one of the ports for the desktops, and a wireless router into the other jack for the laptops.
thanks..

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: Dowfen
I don't think there are routers with print servers in them......, but I could be wrong.

You are.
Just about every major manufacturer offers a SOHO router with print server.

Originally posted by: paradawx87

Originally posted by: KpocAlypse
Your standard router will do the trick...
Just don't go wireless..


What's wrong with going wireless? I could plug a wireless router into the regular router, no? Actually better yet, since we have two jacks in the room, we would probably connect a standard router to one of the ports for the desktops, and a wireless router into the other jack for the laptops.
thanks..

He shouldn't go wireless because he stands to open up the campus network to anyone walking around the area and get blamed if they do anything naughyt and also, if a Resnet employee happens to notice the WLAN AP, he's gonna get busted.

 

[KpocAlypse]

He shouldn't go wireless because he stands to open up the campus network to anyone walking around the area and get blamed if they do anything naughyt and also, if a Resnet employee happens to notice the WLAN AP, he's gonna get busted.

Yup, WAPs is a BIG issue. On campuses and everywhere else We tried to keep a good lookout for them. If we found one, just take the PC home, cuz your never getting the connection back. If we caught the router we'd just give ya a slap on the wrist, say read the TOS, and don't do it again.

Some Evil guy or gal could be sitting out in the dorm parking lot, Making Microsoft's main page look quite hacked, using your registered university IP. So just don't even THINK of wireless.

 

[BG4533]

I ran a wireless router in the dorms at Ohio State without a problem. I also detected a decent amount of other wireless signals depending where I went. I really dont think wireless is that big of a security issue for OSU compared to other things at least. For example there were study rooms with internet connections that had no authentification or other means of identifying my computer. As for my wireless connection, it only reached about 40 feet and I was on the 9th floor, so I doubt anyone was getting a signal in the parking lot or anything like that.

Also, there are routers with print servers, just look around.

 

[amdskip]

Is there such a thing as a firewall without a router so you would hook up a switch after the firewall which would basically be a router except more spread out in multiple boxes.

 

[DaiShan]

Originally posted by: KpocAlypse

He shouldn't go wireless because he stands to open up the campus network to anyone walking around the area and get blamed if they do anything naughyt and also, if a Resnet employee happens to notice the WLAN AP, he's gonna get busted.

Yup, WAPs is a BIG issue. On campuses and everywhere else We tried to keep a good lookout for them. If we found one, just take the PC home, cuz your never getting the connection back. If we caught the router we'd just give ya a slap on the wrist, say read the TOS, and don't do it again.

Some Evil guy or gal could be sitting out in the dorm parking lot, Making Microsoft's main page look quite hacked, using your registered university IP. So just don't even THINK of wireless.

Yes repeat after me "Rogue AP's are bad" mmmk?

 

[DaiShan]

Originally posted by: amdskip
Is there such a thing as a firewall without a router so you would hook up a switch after the firewall which would basically be a router except more spread out in multiple boxes.

You can buy a hard ware firewall...

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: BG4533
I ran a wireless router in the dorms at Ohio State without a problem. I also detected a decent amount of other wireless signals depending where I went. I really dont think wireless is that big of a security issue for OSU compared to other things at least. For example there were study rooms with internet connections that had no authentification or other means of identifying my computer. As for my wireless connection, it only reached about 40 feet and I was on the 9th floor, so I doubt anyone was getting a signal in the parking lot or anything like that.

Also, there are routers with print servers, just look around.

The point is, if somebody does something bad using a connection in a study room, this guy isn't gonna get in trouble. If somebody does something bad using the WAP in his room, he is gonna get in trouble. Why would you need wireless in what is most likely an 8x12' room anyways?

 

[BG4533]

Originally posted by: werk

Originally posted by: BG4533
I ran a wireless router in the dorms at Ohio State without a problem. I also detected a decent amount of other wireless signals depending where I went. I really dont think wireless is that big of a security issue for OSU compared to other things at least. For example there were study rooms with internet connections that had no authentification or other means of identifying my computer. As for my wireless connection, it only reached about 40 feet and I was on the 9th floor, so I doubt anyone was getting a signal in the parking lot or anything like that.

Also, there are routers with print servers, just look around.

The point is, if somebody does something bad using a connection in a study room, this guy isn't gonna get in trouble. If somebody does something bad using the WAP in his room, he is gonna get in trouble. Why would you need wireless in what is most likely an 8x12' room anyways?

I had 2 rooms that were ~10' x15'. The original goal of the wireless was to be able to go to friends rooms around the floor and be able to get online easily.

 

[Bleep]

I had 2 rooms that were ~10' x15'. The original goal of the wireless was to be able to go to friends rooms around the floor and be able to get online easily

Not always but generally both rooms will use the same common 110 volt feed to a socket on each side of a common wall. Just take the cover off and feed your cat 5 cable through the back into the other room.

Bleep

 

[paradawx87]

Originally posted by: ReelC00L
For what its worth, I used a Netgear router at UNC's resnet and it worked fine.

Any recommendations on which one? Most routers seem to be labeled DSL/Cable...will these work with my resnet wall mount, or is there something special about them that lets them only work with dsl/cable?

 

[BG4533]

Originally posted by: paradawx87

Originally posted by: ReelC00L
For what its worth, I used a Netgear router at UNC's resnet and it worked fine.

Any recommendations on which one? Most routers seem to be labeled DSL/Cable...will these work with my resnet wall mount, or is there something special about them that lets them only work with dsl/cable?

Nothing special. All DSL/ Cable routers should work fine.