wow, if their business goes downhill over that stupid gratuity dispute, they will be kicking themselves when they do close.
Let's be clear here. Federal Wage law permits resturant and Bar owners to calculate that "gratuity" as part of the wages for the server to the exclusion of having to actually pay the Federal Minimum Wage.
AS long as that is allowed to happen, the server is the one that gets screwed when people such as these fail to read the clearly stated policy.
Tip at least 10% and COMPLAIN if you had a problem, but if you walk out on a tip, I hope you get screwed in your job, by some super-asshole of a boss, in front of everyone else, because you're a douche.
wow, if their business goes downhill over that stupid gratuity dispute, they will be kicking themselves when they do close.
Bahahaha
Then you're a douche who agrees it's ok to screw the worker. Good service is a subjective judgement. The server's job is to get you your food, etc.Sorry, but I definitely don't agree with your last statement. In my opinion, if the server was THAT bad at her job, she deserves to get screwed. As for the restaurant, if IT doesn't want to screwed, it needs to do something about the level of service provided by its employees. Also, it sounds like in this case the patrons made a conscious decision to not pay the tip, so I doubt they were just being illiterate.
I usually tip very well... at the very least 18%, usually 20%+ if the service is really outstanding. Don't get me wrong, I don't condone stiffing your server just because you're a cheapass. However I certainly wouldn't judge someone for walking out without tipping some exceptionally poor service, as seems to be the case here. I also wouldn't feel bad about not tipping in their case.
Then you're a douche who agrees it's ok to screw the worker. Good service is a subjective judgement. The server's job is to get you your food, etc.
IF there is a problem, and you just sit there and take it, then get all butt-hurt about it, you're a douche.
Failing to pay a clearly stated policy only compounds the worker intimidation present in such a FEDERAL WAGE POLICY that allows for 3rd parties to determine the prevailing wage. IF they were being paid the Straight Federal Minimum Wage, I would agree with you because THEN and ONLY THEN is it a gratuity. UNtil then, it's part of their minimum wage, and they are being taxed on it, regardless of it being paid or not. The "Tips, Gratuities" part of the W-2 is determined by the check total, not someone's judgement of performance level.
AS long as you suborn Federal Wage law for your own petty, egotistical reasons, yuo're a douche.
BTW, I'll bet all you tight ass tipwads have eaten a lot of lugy. mmmmmmm makes your skin crawl, doesn't it?
Let's be clear here. Federal Wage law permits resturant and Bar owners to calculate that "gratuity" as part of the wages for the server to the exclusion of having to actually pay the Federal Minimum Wage.
AS long as that is allowed to happen, the server is the one that gets screwed when people such as these fail to read the clearly stated policy.
Tip at least 10% and COMPLAIN if you had a problem, but if you walk out on a tip, I hope you get screwed in your job, by some super-asshole of a boss, in front of everyone else, because you're a douche.
Then you're a douche who agrees it's ok to screw the worker. Good service is a subjective judgement. The server's job is to get you your food, etc.
IF there is a problem, and you just sit there and take it, then get all butt-hurt about it, you're a douche.
Failing to pay a clearly stated policy only compounds the worker intimidation present in such a FEDERAL WAGE POLICY that allows for 3rd parties to determine the prevailing wage. IF they were being paid the Straight Federal Minimum Wage, I would agree with you because THEN and ONLY THEN is it a gratuity. UNtil then, it's part of their minimum wage, and they are being taxed on it, regardless of it being paid or not. The "Tips, Gratuities" part of the W-2 is determined by the check total, not someone's judgement of performance level.
AS long as you suborn Federal Wage law for your own petty, egotistical reasons, yuo're a douche.
BTW, I'll bet all you tight ass tipwads have eaten a lot of lugy. mmmmmmm makes your skin crawl, doesn't it?
Unless the server's tips do not meet the minimum wage set by federal law, in which case the business must make up the difference. So, a shitty server gets paid minimum wage...what's the problem with that?
Then you're a douche who agrees it's ok to screw the worker. Good service is a subjective judgement. The server's job is to get you your food, etc.
IF there is a problem, and you just sit there and take it, then get all butt-hurt about it, you're a douche.
Failing to pay a clearly stated policy only compounds the worker intimidation present in such a FEDERAL WAGE POLICY that allows for 3rd parties to determine the prevailing wage. IF they were being paid the Straight Federal Minimum Wage, I would agree with you because THEN and ONLY THEN is it a gratuity. UNtil then, it's part of their minimum wage, and they are being taxed on it, regardless of it being paid or not. The "Tips, Gratuities" part of the W-2 is determined by the check total, not someone's judgement of performance level.
AS long as you suborn Federal Wage law for your own petty, egotistical reasons, yuo're a douche.
BTW, I'll bet all you tight ass tipwads have eaten a lot of lugy. mmmmmmm makes your skin crawl, doesn't it?
We (you and I)weren't there, and are depending on third party subjective 'testimony'.Note the part that I bolded. The server's duties include the things you mentioned, and in the story the server failed to perform those duties. Tell me then, why should they get that extra money? I realize that the gratuity is factored into their wages and that the establishment is legally obligated to make the difference to make minimum wage. No matter what though, the server will always make AT LEAST minimum wage, regardless of whether or not you tip. If the restaurant is getting hurt financially by shelling out the extra wages, then maybe they should be discussing good customer service with their employees so that they get tipped.
We (you and I)weren't there, and are depending on third party subjective 'testimony'.
They (the college students arrested)are clearly going to cast the server in the worst light piossible. Thus, their histrionics are probably exaggerated for public consumption.
That the City Police opted for arrest, rather than meteing out some sort of 'instant karma' gives credence to the possibility that there are facts that escaped the newspaper's notice/agenda.
Without some sort of unbiased verification as to the events, and that's what Courts are for, I'm going to go with what has been my experiences on all sides (Customer, Server & Merchant) of this debate, I'm going with "No,Scott"..</Dr.Evil>
Seriously, most young adults, starting in the late '70's , has seen the "Tipping / Gratuity" thing from the wrong end of the stick. Until they work as a Wait-person.
I'm not saying you (as a Server) shouldn't strive for top notch service at all ttimes or get the fuck out, but as long as the Tips in Lieu of Minimum Wage- Slave Business model exists, it is wrong to not pay that server their earned Tip-wage.
BECAUSE.....I may be making a mountain out of a molehill. I may not have expressed my needs effectively. They may be having problems I know nothing about, that are out of their control, they may not have been trained correctly...
Do I really think that by withholding that $10.00, it's going to cause Real Change?
That notion is so ego-centric as to be insane. The only way that really happens if if the mangement cares enough to listen to you articulate your problems, but withoholding
The Tip as a punitive move is so BaldHead-20th Century. All you need is a Big Cigar and a Cartoon nose to go along with that image.
'Every Man For Himself' seems to be the call heard here most.
And it will be the end of us all.
LOL at some of the uploaded pics of the Pub on yelp.
I hear ya, people do that for free every waking minute.And if the servers at the restaurant believe that because they're going to get a gratuity anyway and don't give a shit about giving good service, then they're a douche also. If they want the cash, give the service. That's why I leave as soon as I see the part about a mandatory tip. I will not pay someone to be a prick.
I may be dense, but I can see through the Bullshit you seem to want to run cover for.Calling it "Tips in Lieu of Minimum Wage" is false. The server will ALWAYS make at least minimum wage. If they are shitty, they get minimum wage. If they are awesome, they'll usually make quite a bit more. Welcome to the SERVICE industry. You really are quite dense.
I may be dense, but I can see through the Bullshit you seem to want to run cover for.
I've seen it happen at clubs and resturants I've worked for and I know of what I speak. The accounting will show that they were "paid", but that amount is always based on an Estimated Tip Amount.
Anyone that doesn't pay the Tip's minimum estimated relies on some one else to pay the freight. And that ends up screwing the Server because there will be an uncollected amount due The Fed's for that.
The Net Effect is that if you only tip the minimum, the Server is 'credited' with earning the minimum wage. Anything more than that relies on the accuracy of Server Reporting on taxes, but I digress.
Not that dense,after all.
See sig for clarification of position.
Mmmhmm...If a server claims all tips, and doesn't make minimum wage, they have a DOL case. If a server does not claim all tips, and gets no tip because they suck, and does not make minimum wage, they end up getting fucked. I'm still not feeling sorry for them, because it's either defrauding the IRS or having an inane sense of entitlement.
Your sig is...well, this isn't P&N, we won't get into that. By the way, you really need to work on the clarity of your thoughts, because your writing is very weak.
Mmmhmm...If a server claims all tips, and doesn't make minimum wage, they have a DOL case. If a server does not claim all tips, and gets no tip because they suck, and does not make minimum wage, they end up getting fucked. I'm still not feeling sorry for them, because it's either defrauding the IRS or having an inane sense of entitlement.
Your sig is...well, this isn't P&N, we won't get into that. By the way, you really need to work on the clarity of your thoughts, because your writing is very weak.
But he uses big words!
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Nice attempt to make it personal.
Regardless, that adolescent display of emotion neither refuted any of my contentions, nor did your psudeo intellectual dissection add anything to the discussion except to divert from the point in general.
Your defense of practices you obviously have no experience with is not strong.
You can "read the law" but that's a long way from day to day business practices.
And the next time you short tip a server, you can blame it on me.
He has no sagacity.Astounding! His prodigious lexicon promulgates the magnitude of his sagacity.
They're only big if they're new.Haha, it was in no manner an attempt to personalize this. It really was difficult following your thought process through your writing.
I deal with workplace law on a daily basis, so...please, help me understand. Oh, I was a server for 2 years, and I reported all of my tips.
And, again...love the use of big words in trying to make your points. Pulchritudinous!
He has no sagacity.
His sagacity has the magnitude of my penis!