College Students In These Union Protests

[Baasha]

I am seeing a LOT of college students at these pro-union protests.

Not just in Madison either.

These students are not in a union, likely will never be in a union, and one could argue that their futures will be better without public sector unions.

Is it all a game to them? Are they just there to be with other people and rebel for something?

Can they see the other point of view on this issue or are they just blindly pro-union?

Are they just naive and being manipulated by Jon Stewart types who they worship?

Also, I wonder if they made a living and earned a real paycheck where they have to pay thousands in a year in taxes if they would feel differently.

Well, as Churchill once said, "If you're not a liberal at twenty, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative at forty, you have no brain!"

Liberalism, idealism, and pious egotism are fine and dandy when you don't have to let go of your basic needs. When shit hits the fan, you tend to become more frugal and more appreciative of the money you have actually earned.

Of course, that is only one side of the story but that Churchill quote is worth its weight in gold.

 

[umbrella39]

Maybe this LOT of college students you are seeing (where) have parents who are union.

 

[boomerang]

I was their age (perhaps a little younger) at the height of the Vietnam war protests. Young people are full of energy. They enjoy grouping together, getting loud, getting laid, getting high. The cause doesn't much matter, they're in it for the thrill of it all.

There's an added bonus for the college kids and especially in the times we live in now. Their teachers, their professors are uber left. They support these causes with every fiber of their being. However, they don't really like getting their hands dirty so to speak. What they can do though is turn the flying monkeys loose. They get their students fired up, the kids know that missing class is being condoned and I'll take an educated guess that there are incentives thrown in too. Few if any fail in college these days, but extra credit never hurt.

Get a bunch of students (for free), a few union workers (getting paid) and some bussed in goons (also getting paid) and lo and behold, you've got yourself a movement. Nothing new. It's a proven method that's been utilized for decades.

 

[IronWing]

Many of them are in the UW's TA union that will likely strike shortly.

 

[CallMeJoe]

I was their age (perhaps a little younger) at the height of the Vietnam war protests. Young people are full of energy. They enjoy grouping together, getting loud, getting laid, getting high. The cause doesn't much matter, they're in it for the thrill of it all...

I wouldn't assume that all students today are as stupid and gullible as you were.

 

[boomerang]

I wouldn't assume that all students today are as stupid and gullible as you were.

Ahh, I see you've made an assumption yourself.

 

[BigDH01]

Well, as Churchill once said, "If you're not a liberal at twenty, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative at forty, you have no brain!"

Liberalism, idealism, and pious egotism are fine and dandy when you don't have to let go of your basic needs. When shit hits the fan, you tend to become more frugal and more appreciative of the money you have actually earned.

Of course, that is only one side of the story but that Churchill quote is worth its weight in gold.

Can you find me a shred of evidence that demonstrates that Churchill actually said that? And on your journey to what will hopefully be an epiphany, you might actually learn something about the man.

Does anyone think it might be possible the college students are just showing general displeasure with the administration? I'm not sure what it's like in WI, but in my state the universities have been singled out for budget cuts thereby causing massive tuition hikes.

 

[BigDH01]

Ahh, I see you've made an assumption yourself.

You mean like this one?

There's an added bonus for the college kids and especially in the times we live in now. Their teachers, their professors are uber left. They support these causes with every fiber of their being. However, they don't really like getting their hands dirty so to speak. What they can do though is turn the flying monkeys loose. They get their students fired up, the kids know that missing class is being condoned and I'll take an educated guess that there are incentives thrown in too. Few if any fail in college these days, but extra credit never hurt.

I can't recall a single one of my professors brainwashing me with liberal ideology. Given that they never said anything, I have a hard time believing they believe it with every fiber of their being. It does help conservatives justify their anti-intellectualism though. It's ok to hate professors and academics, they're just 'liburals' anyway.

 

[kami333]

Can you find me a shred of evidence that demonstrates that Churchill actually said that? And on your journey to what will hopefully be an epiphany, you might actually learn something about the man.

Thank you.

http://www.winstonchurchill.org/learn/myths/myths/quotes-falsely-attributed-to-him

 

[boomerang]

You mean like this one?



I can't recall a single one of my professors brainwashing me with liberal ideology. Given that they never said anything, I have a hard time believing they believe it with every fiber of their being. It does help conservatives justify their anti-intellectualism though. It's ok to hate professors and academics, they're just 'liburals' anyway.

I have made a generalization and you've called me out on it. Touché. What university in Wisconsin did you attend because I find it curious that although you state you aren't brainwashed, you seem to have your share of venom against "anti-intellectual" conservatives.

What position do you hold in the teaching community?

 

[BigDH01]

I have made a generalization and you've called me out on it. Touché. What university in Wisconsin did you attend because I find it curious that although you state you aren't brainwashed, you seem to have your share of venom against "anti-intellectual" conservatives.

I did not attend university in Wisconsin.

I don't think you need to quote "anti-intellectual" considering the conspiracy theory you put forth in your attack against universities and academics. These sorts of theories appear to be rather common from conservatives, at least from what I can gather from the conservatives I talk to and those I see in the media. I assume I had professors that were right-leaning and some that were left-leaning. I don't know for sure, as I never had one of them try to discuss politics with me. They were more interested in teaching me science and engineering, which is what I was paying them to do.

What position do you hold in the teaching community?

I am not a teacher.

 

[fskimospy]

Well, as Churchill once said, "If you're not a liberal at twenty, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative at forty, you have no brain!"

Liberalism, idealism, and pious egotism are fine and dandy when you don't have to let go of your basic needs. When shit hits the fan, you tend to become more frugal and more appreciative of the money you have actually earned.

Of course, that is only one side of the story but that Churchill quote is worth its weight in gold.

Except of course that Churchill never said that. Not only was Churchill a conservative as a young kid, but conservatism and liberalism didn't even mean the same things to him as they mean to us.

I love how everyone in this thread is basically saying 'once people meet the real world, they will think like I do'. (no matter which way they think)

 

[Jadow]

You need to read Eric Hoffer's "The True Believer: Thoughts On The Nature Of Mass Movements". It's old, but still the preeminent work on protests. It pretty clearly lays out why there are so many college students at protests.

I'm not going to read it, want to summarize briefly?

 

[PeshakJang]

Just watch any coverage or video of the protests and see for yourself. It may have started as a handful of actual protesters, but it soon turned into a teeming pool of communists, socialists, anarchists, hippies, high college kids, instigators, and general whacko liberals looking for a reason to protest. They are there to put on their stupid little show, sing their stupid little songs, and try to "take down the system", though none of them really know what that means.

Read 10 fucking pages of "rules for radicals" and you'll see exactly what is going on, it is textbook-to-the-point.

 

[fskimospy]

Just watch any coverage or video of the protests and see for yourself. It may have started as a handful of actual protesters, but it soon turned into a teeming pool of communists, socialists, anarchists, hippies, high college kids, instigators, and general whacko liberals looking for a reason to protest. They are there to put on their stupid little show, sing their stupid little songs, and try to "take down the system", though none of them really know what that means.

Read 10 fucking pages of "rules for radicals" and you'll see exactly what is going on, it is textbook-to-the-point.

You can almost see the spittle flying at the screen here. Maybe instead of it being a group of the ultra right wing's favorite boogeymen who are trying to destroy America, they are people who disagree with you politically and are voicing their disapproval for a highly unpopular initiative that their government is passing.

I'm interested to see what you think about the Tea Party though. I'm sure those people have legitimate grievances that they are heroically banding together to have heard, not like these damn commies over in Wisconsin.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

They aren't in the workforce but they will be... I was in college and I'm in a union now. As a result I've been sick for a week, and didn't have to worry about going to work sick, because the union negotiated 21 sick days a year.

I'm not in the union and I get 3 months short term disability (which can be used if you sick for 5 consecutive days) that's paid for by the company where I work.

 

[PeshakJang]

You can almost see the spittle flying at the screen here. Maybe instead of it being a group of the ultra right wing's favorite boogeymen who are trying to destroy America, they are people who disagree with you politically and are voicing their disapproval for a highly unpopular initiative that their government is passing.

Stop lying to yourself, it will make things much easier.

There are some people voicing their opinion, but it's as obvious as the sun that most of them are there just to stir up shit. Why would people be bused in from other states by the President's OFA to voice their disapproval for an initiative that in no way affects them? If AZ bused in protesters to picket NY passing anti-gun laws, how would you qualify that?

 

[fskimospy]

Stop lying to yourself, it will make things much easier.

There are some people voicing their opinion, but it's as obvious as the sun that most of them are there just to stir up shit. Why would people be bused in from other states by the President's OFA to voice their disapproval for an initiative that in no way affects them? If AZ bused in protesters to picket NY passing anti-gun laws, how would you qualify that?

I would say that I couldn't care less, and if you think one state successfully removing those rights from people won't affect people outside the state though how their governments view the issue, you're awfully naive. I'm not even sure how to answer the rest, because your argument that someone is there to cause trouble because they arrived on a bus from a state where the law doesn't apply is a non sequitur.

So can I take it to mean that you view the Tea Party protests to be genuine, but these protests not to be? I wouldn't exactly be shocked.

 

[Unheard]

I'm not in the union and I get 3 months short term disability (which can be used if you sick for 5 consecutive days) that's paid for by the company where I work.

Not in a union, will never work at a place that is union. I get 3 months short term, with the option of adding on more for a small amount. I earn my sick time monthly, which works out to around 20 days a year. My pay is on average for my field, my healthcare is paid for 100%.


So tell me, what good does a union do for me? Jack Shit.

 

[PeshakJang]

I would say that I couldn't care less, and if you think one state successfully removing those rights from people won't affect people outside the state though how their governments view the issue, you're awfully naive.

Pretty sure we already live in a nation where federal employees don't have collective bargaining rights. Where have the protests been all these years?

So can I take it to mean that you view the Tea Party protests to be genuine, but these protests not to be? I wouldn't exactly be shocked.

More genuine than what we are seeing in WI. I don't know of any professional organizations that control the tea party, but I can name a dozen that are involved in these protests.

Facts are facts, and you don't got 'em.

 

[fskimospy]

Pretty sure we already live in a nation where federal employees don't have collective bargaining rights. Where have the protests been all these years?

Actions removing something people already have garners more opposition than the continuing lack of something that people want. Did you not know this?

More genuine than what we are seeing in WI. I don't know of any professional organizations that control the tea party, but I can name a dozen that are involved in these protests.

Facts are facts, and you don't got 'em.

Yeah man, it's totally amazing that a bill which specifically attacks professional organizations attracts more professional organizations to move against it. My mind is officially blown.

Also, color me shocked that you think protesters who share your ideology are more genuine than those who don't. (I have to say that I'm really loving your interpretation of these facts though, it's some pretty impressive moon logic)

 

[soundforbjt]

I don't know of any professional organizations that control the tea party, but I can name a dozen that are involved in these protests.

Facts are facts, and you don't got 'em.

Guess you've never heard of Dick Armey's organization and many others that control, fund, provide buses, etc. to the Tea Party.

To quote you, "Facts are facts, and you don't got 'em."

 

[ProfJohn]

Guess you've never heard of Dick Armey's organization and many others that control, fund, provide buses, etc. to the Tea Party.

To quote you, "Facts are facts, and you don't got 'em."

Care to provide details and fact about Dick's organization and give us some budget figures as well.

We know for a fact that public employee unions provide millions of dollars per year to Democrats and spend millions more on top of that.

Is Dick Armey providing similar funding?

 

[Throckmorton]

I'm not in the union and I get 3 months short term disability (which can be used if you sick for 5 consecutive days) that's paid for by the company where I work.

Good for you. I had that at my last job too, no union, but the pay rate was much lower.

 

[jackschmittusa]

OP, there were people who would never be slaves who opposed slavery.

Sometimes it's easy to pick sides.