College

[her209]

Originally posted by: Pwnbroker
I make more as a peon doing user support than my wife who is a manager at a retail store. Degree or not has no bearing on what the future holds for you. If you have charisma, charm, and even looks, plus drive and confidence, the world is yours. For the rest of us who have no direction and too much baggage, we are the world.

What if you have little to no morals?

 

[Pwnbroker]

Then you will be successful at swindling people.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: her209
What if you have little to no morals?

"Family. Religion. Friendship.
These are the three demons you must slay if you wish to succeed in business."
- C. Montgomery Burns

Originally posted by: Pwnbroker
I guess ULTIMATELY, college is our countries slave labor camp. We train to be good dogs, so the country is ensured that they have a labor force. Otherwise, why would they set the cost of education so high and let so many people get so many loans. If college was for enlightenment, they would require you to pay in advance, because then they would know you were doing it in a purposeful manner, not just to get a lousy piece of paper.

Think of it as an investment on the part of those in power - without all that "investment" of financial aid, they wouldn't get their skilled workers necessary to keep them in a position of power.

Chances are good that most of us will be middle class. Middle class is the majority, so most people will fall into it. The difference then between lower and middle class is how well-paid of a peon you want to be. If you want $20K/year, Walmart will do fine. Stay there for 20 years and do a good job, and you'll get regular yearly raises, and maybe merit raises on top of that. If you want something more, like $50K/year, then you'd need to put down the money for college.
Or, as you say, if you've got that charisma, charm, good looks, or are at least fairly tall, speak loudly and often, and keep your sense of compassion in check, you can make your way right to the upper class.

 

[Pwnbroker]

Hell I'd do all that and become upper class just so I could piss on the upper class people.

Nah, that aint the way it'd happen, because I don't play the game. People who don't play the game get assassinated.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

In my experience.

Go to college.

learn enough to do something you like. It doesn't matter what it is, you'll be sick of it within 10 years. Just go afer a field that you can easily understand that allows you to make good money.

The key is to learn how to learn.

I have a BSEE. I've done software for 6 years now. I plan on having the option to retire at 40. Everyone will tell you they don't like their job. They just sugar coat it to much.

Learn that working for other people is BS. It's the whole "learn to think for yourself" motto. Then you realize whata joke investing is (ignore Cramer) and how easy it is to make moeny there. Godo thing you learned how to learn in college. Then realize that remodeling homes is easy as hell and is a big cash crop.

profit.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: Pwnbroker
Hell I'd do all that and become upper class just so I could piss on the upper class people.

Nah, that aint the way it'd happen, because I don't play the game. People who don't play the game get assassinated.

But you won't. Once you get to the upper class, you'll be so enamored by the niceties that you'll forget all about any grudges, or about how you didn't like being lower or middle class. You won't want to do anything that'd make you risk losing that wealth and that social status. You'll just fit riiight in with them.

 

[Pwnbroker]

Not likely. I don't get along with snobby people, I'd be dying for some normalty. There's a song that says, "high class people lose their sanity" and I believe it.

I've had some luxuries before and it made me nervous.

 

[Jeff7]

No one says you have to hang out with them. You can always enjoy the money in solitude.

 

[RelaxTheMind]

If your not crafty or witty enough (and lucky) to have what it takes to be a successful entrapenuar. go to college and get experience under your belt.

Treat people below you like the scum they are and always step over people to get to the top.

 

[yhelothar]

Purpose of college?
Get trained to obey your master, learn how to follow directions and carry out tasks. Critical thinking and analysis? Yeah right.
But I could really see why they do it. It's dumbed down for the masses. I learned this through my tutoring job. Most people aren't interested in learning. You could teach them the concepts, but they don't care. Tell them to memorize and get and follow through mindless tasks for an A, and they'll cheer.

Oh, and my favorite education quotes:
"It is possible to store the mind with a million facts and still be entirely uneducated."
Alec Bourne
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."
Aristotle (384 BC - 322 BC)
"The great aim of education is not knowledge but action."
Herbert Spencer (1820 - 1903)
"I have never let my schooling interfere with my education."
Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)

 

[Whisper]

Originally posted by: astroidea
Purpose of college?
Get trained to obey your master, learn how to follow directions and carry out tasks. Critical thinking and analysis? Yeah right.
But I could really see why they do it. It's dumbed down for the masses. I learned this through my tutoring job. Most people aren't interested in learning. You could teach them the concepts, but they don't care. Tell them to memorize and get and follow through mindless tasks for an A, and they'll cheer.

Oh, and my favorite education quotes:
"It is possible to store the mind with a million facts and still be entirely uneducated."
Alec Bourne
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."
Aristotle (384 BC - 322 BC)
"The great aim of education is not knowledge but action."
Herbert Spencer (1820 - 1903)
"I have never let my schooling interfere with my education."
Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)

That's a pretty cynical view of higher learning. In general, as cliche' as it sounds, college really is what you make of it. If all you're interested in is earning good grades, then yes, you can get away quite well with regurgitating what you hear in class. But if you're interested in furthering your knowledge of a particular subject, most professors are quite willing to speak with you in-depth about current issues in their particular fields of interest.

Even more interested in "critical thought?" Volunteer as an assistant in a research lab. You'll learn quite a bit about the scientific process in general, which includes quite a bit of creativity and the honing of analytical skills.

 

[Pwnbroker]

Why not volunteer as a subject in a lab. That's experience that is invaluable.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: shuttleboi
What's a well-known listing for community college rankings? I searched for it, but many different rankings came up.

http://dev.ccweek.com/news/templates/pdfs/Top100/2006/CCW-Top100-AS.pdf

Looks like they're at #3. (Nassau Community College)

Those rankings are based off of how many associate degrees the confer each year. Which is quite a meaningless statistic because most of those CC's in Florida have 20,000 students.

A better indicator of quality JuCo's is the % of its students who continue on and get 4 year degrees. Or if they have more instructors with PhDs than Masters.

 

[Pwnbroker]

Or the number of graduates who have obtained and retained employment in their field of study for 5 years.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: NoShangriLa

Originally posted by: masshass81
I'm loving my BS in Business Admin. I landed a job in accounting. Within 8 months, I was promoted to a higher level than most of the other people in my department that have been with the company for years. They're not going far because they don't degrees, or what they call "paper" hahahahhaha They crack me up!

It's pretty much what jungleman1 said..

Wow!

A BS in business get you that far....around here it would land you a job flipping burgers at McD.

It all depends on where you live and go to school.

Dallas-Fort Worth area banks recruit Texas Tech biz students every year. If you do well in college its EASY to get a nice paying job. Because recruiters will snap you up. If you dont do well, good luck recruiters will want nothing to do with you.

 

[Pwnbroker]

What if you didn't do very well but still got a 3.5 GPA?

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: Pwnbroker
Or the number of graduates who have obtained and retained employment in their field of study for 5 years.

Unless its nursing, stopping at a AA or AS is a waste of money.

 

[ViviTheMage]

hilarious thread here

 

[Xyclone]

It's "its," not "it's."

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: dr150
Think of college as a Union Card to get your foot into the door.

You're no smarter than you were in high school, but you now have the paper to say that you jump the hoop set by the system.

You can bet your ass i couldnt even come close to semiconductor engineering without an advanced degree.

For many majors, it's stupid. For some majors, like sciences majors, its absolutely vital.

Now dont get me started on why i have to take HPE, ECON, Statistics, Biology, 2 arts, 2 humanities, 2 social sciences.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Whisper

Originally posted by: astroidea
Purpose of college?
Get trained to obey your master, learn how to follow directions and carry out tasks. Critical thinking and analysis? Yeah right.
But I could really see why they do it. It's dumbed down for the masses. I learned this through my tutoring job. Most people aren't interested in learning. You could teach them the concepts, but they don't care. Tell them to memorize and get and follow through mindless tasks for an A, and they'll cheer.

Oh, and my favorite education quotes:
"It is possible to store the mind with a million facts and still be entirely uneducated."
Alec Bourne
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."
Aristotle (384 BC - 322 BC)
"The great aim of education is not knowledge but action."
Herbert Spencer (1820 - 1903)
"I have never let my schooling interfere with my education."
Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)

That's a pretty cynical view of higher learning. In general, as cliche' as it sounds, college really is what you make of it. If all you're interested in is earning good grades, then yes, you can get away quite well with regurgitating what you hear in class. But if you're interested in furthering your knowledge of a particular subject, most professors are quite willing to speak with you in-depth about current issues in their particular fields of interest.

Even more interested in "critical thought?" Volunteer as an assistant in a research lab. You'll learn quite a bit about the scientific process in general, which includes quite a bit of creativity and the honing of analytical skills.

Yeah, but it isn't entirely wrong. I think it just depends on the person and the school. Me? I like learning, but that doesn't mean I learn more in school than out of school. I see college as an obstacle that I must overcome in order to validate myself, and prove my worth to future employers. Except for the fact that with what I will be studying, college is undoubtedly necessary.

If that makes any sense.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: Pwnbroker
Or the number of graduates who have obtained and retained employment in their field of study for 5 years.

Unless its nursing, stopping at a AA or AS is a waste of money.

Not true.

 

[Whisper]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: dr150
Think of college as a Union Card to get your foot into the door.

You're no smarter than you were in high school, but you now have the paper to say that you jump the hoop set by the system.

You can bet your ass i couldnt even come close to semiconductor engineering without an advanced degree.

For many majors, it's stupid. For some majors, like sciences majors, its absolutely vital.

Now dont get me started on why i have to take HPE, ECON, Statistics, Biology, 2 arts, 2 humanities, 2 social sciences.

Generally, it's to give you a well-rounded education. Knowing things that're directly relevant to your field is of course important, but knowing general information about a wide variety of subjects is what college truly purports to do, and what can help to further-develop your overall problem-solving skills, analytical and leadership abilities, etc.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Whisper

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: dr150
Think of college as a Union Card to get your foot into the door.

You're no smarter than you were in high school, but you now have the paper to say that you jump the hoop set by the system.

You can bet your ass i couldnt even come close to semiconductor engineering without an advanced degree.

For many majors, it's stupid. For some majors, like sciences majors, its absolutely vital.

Now dont get me started on why i have to take HPE, ECON, Statistics, Biology, 2 arts, 2 humanities, 2 social sciences.

Generally, it's to give you a well-rounded education. Knowing things that're directly relevant to your field is of course important, but knowing general information about a wide variety of subjects is what college truly purports to do, and what can help to further-develop your overall problem-solving skills, analytical and leadership abilities, etc.

HPE, arts, and econ dont really round me.

I feel ill never use those again.

Especially PhysEd, you gotta be kidding me, they were teaching us this crap in 7th grade. If im still a fat lard in college, teaching it to me again isnt going to change my life. (im 5'9" 135lbs btw)

 

[JungleMan1]

Originally posted by: dr150
Think of college as a Union Card to get your foot into the door.

You're no smarter than you were in high school, but you now have the paper to say that you jump the hoop set by the system.

Smarter? No. Being smart is a natural quality that some people have more than others. You can't learn how to be smart. You can, however, learn things to demonstrate and apply your mental aptitude in such a way that will get you a high-paying job with many specialized skills, so that you don't have to work at Wal-Mart for the rest of your life (or if you do work at Wal-Mart, you'll be a store manager and will be making the big bucks)

If you are trying to say that college students do not learn additional, marketable skills compared to high school students, then it demonstrates to me how little you know about college education, and are probably just spewing the drivel that your diploma-wielding friends who can't get ahead in life tell themselves, and you, to make themselves feel better about selling their lives for $10 an hour.