Collin Powell changed my mind

[Wag]

Well the proof was given, and it was pretty damning. Of course I realize some of it was exaggerated, if even just a few things turn out to be true- I say we have no choice but to remove Saddam and his regime.

Now- how we go about removing him is another issue.

 

[BatmanNate]

Do you have a link? I'm curious what proof has been brought about.

 

[Wag]

His speech just ended. You're going to have to give it a little while before the details start showing up.

 

[Czar]

after this I wont object to a war, but I wont support it

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: BatmanNate
Do you have a link? I'm curious what proof has been brought about.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/bsp/hi/budgets/at_a_glance/html/index.stm

 

[Wag]

Some of the stuff was pretty scary. Mainly mass production of biological agents and a new, small, highly survivable delivery system. And the beginnings of ties with Al Qaeda.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: Czar
after this I wont object to a war, but I wont support it

??????

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: Czar
after this I wont object to a war, but I wont support it

??????

aka neutral

 

[Wag]

He's playing Swiss.

 

[EndGame]

I have to agree, I was hoping that Saddam would simply go into exile and Iraq would fess up, I I still WISH that would take place, but, after Powells speech, I'm not against going in to take care of the problem and I predict there will be no problem in the Security Council getting approval.

 

[novon]

It seems to me he was just piecing together scraps of evidence with no real smoking gun. I don't understand the urgency to go to war, it is VERY unlikely that Sadaam will attack anyone while under inspections, so if the US really wants to make a case, it needs to be upfront with it's intelligence and let the inspectors inspect the sites in question to try to find more hard evidence. Otherwise, simply attacking Sadaam will just inflame the situation and would seem like there are alt. motives.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: EndGame
I have to agree, I was hoping that Saddam would simply go into exile and Iraq would fess up, I I still WISH that would take place, but, after Powells speech, I'm not against going in to take care of the problem and I predict there will be no problem in the Security Council getting approval.

I agree, if Iraq has that amount of chemical weapons then a war is probably going to be very costly

 

[LethalWolfe]

Originally posted by: Czar
after this I wont object to a war, but I wont support it

If this isn't proof enough I don't know what is.


Lethal

 

[bentwookie]

Originally posted by: Wag
Well the proof was given, and it was pretty damning. Of course I realize some of it was exaggerated, if even just a few things turn out to be true- I say we have no choice but to remove Saddam and his regime.

Now- how we go about removing him is another issue.

You know they took a great risk of exposure of their spy capabilities..he mentioned one defectore is in hiding...but you should trust the government in this situation. Saddam has paid palestinian suicide bombers $20,000 a suicide...who's to say he won't give them anthrax next.
Unfortunate it takes a "see it, to believe it" attitude from the public to accept the decision of a government trying to stabalize peace in the world.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: BatmanNate
Do you have a link? I'm curious what proof has been brought about.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/bsp/hi/budgets/at_a_glance/html/index.stm

Thanks for the link, listening now.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: bentwookie

Originally posted by: Wag
Well the proof was given, and it was pretty damning. Of course I realize some of it was exaggerated, if even just a few things turn out to be true- I say we have no choice but to remove Saddam and his regime.

Now- how we go about removing him is another issue.

You know they took a great risk of exposure of their spy capabilities..he mentioned one defectore is in hiding...but you should trust the government in this situation. Saddam has paid palestinian suicide bombers $20,000 a suicide...who's to say he won't give them anthrax next.
Unfortunate it takes a "see it, to believe it" attitude from the public to accept the decision of a government trying to stabalize peace in the world.

he pays the family of every palestinian killed, not just suicide bombers. Would be the same as to associate the UN for supporting Palestinian suicide bombers because the UN runs alot of schools in the area.

 

[jacob0401]

this thread made me think about this cartoon i saw in the seattle times a few days ago...

Smoking Gun

 

[Jmman]

Well, I didn't watch the whole thing, but I believe the people that supported the war effort before his speech will simply reaffirm their commitment, and the people that truly want a smoking gun will only be satisfied when the smoking gun is a US city that was annihilated by an atomic bomb or other WMD..........

 

[Codewiz]

Holy sh*t on a stick........Russia and China ARE AMAZING!!!! They are using prepared rebutals. Basically meaning they made up their mind beforehand. The same is true with Britain but I expected people that disagreed with us to at least put something worthwhile forward.

 

[LethalWolfe]

Originally posted by: novon
It seems to me he was just piecing together scraps of evidence with no real smoking gun. I don't understand the urgency to go to war, it is VERY unlikely that Sadaam will attack anyone while under inspections, so if the US really wants to make a case, it needs to be upfront with it's intelligence and let the inspectors inspect the sites in question to try to find more hard evidence. Otherwise, simply attacking Sadaam will just inflame the situation and would seem like there are alt. motives.

Powell said before hand that he wouldn't produce a smoking gun. And just using US intel to tell the inspectors where to go won't work because Powell even said they believe they've only found the tip of the ice berg and w/o Iraqi assistance they'll probably never find all the weapons and all the production facilities. And the Iraq's are certainly not going to help because they know that there is no consiquience<sp?> for lieing and dragging their feet. We've already seen how far idle threats will get you nowhere w/Iraq.


Lethal

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: jacob0401
this thread made me think about this cartoon i saw in the seattle times a few days ago...

Smoking Gun

How true.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Codewiz
Holy sh*t on a stick........Russia and China ARE AMAZING!!!! They are using prepared rebutals. Basically meaning they made up their mind beforehand. The same is true with Britain but I expected people that disagreed with us to at least put something worthwhile forward.

they will probably want to inspect the evidence themselves

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: LethalWolfe

Originally posted by: novon
It seems to me he was just piecing together scraps of evidence with no real smoking gun. I don't understand the urgency to go to war, it is VERY unlikely that Sadaam will attack anyone while under inspections, so if the US really wants to make a case, it needs to be upfront with it's intelligence and let the inspectors inspect the sites in question to try to find more hard evidence. Otherwise, simply attacking Sadaam will just inflame the situation and would seem like there are alt. motives.

Powell said before hand that he wouldn't produce a smoking gun. And just using US intel to tell the inspectors where to go won't work because Powell even said they believe they've only found the tip of the ice berg and w/o Iraqi assistance they'll probably never find all the weapons and all the production facilities. And the Iraq's are certainly not going to help because they know that there is no consiquience<sp?> for lieing and dragging their feet. We've already seen how far idle threats will get you nowhere w/Iraq.


Lethal

agreed.
it's time we took him out once and for all. We had a chance in the early 90s and blew it.

 

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Codewiz
Holy sh*t on a stick........Russia and China ARE AMAZING!!!! They are using prepared rebutals. Basically meaning they made up their mind beforehand. The same is true with Britain but I expected people that disagreed with us to at least put something worthwhile forward.

they will probably want to inspect the evidence themselves

Oh I totally agree!!! But they should at least say something like if all these things are true then we would support action. Not that the inspections are working and should continue.

 

[Stark]

wow even diane feinstein and czar think there is a legitimate case for war... saddam doesn't have a chance.

Of course France will continue to be Germany's little [female lap dog], so we'll wait to see what the krauts have to say about all this.