Colorado SC just disqualified Trump from the ballot using the Fourteenth Amendment Section 3 of the Constitution

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Moonbeam

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There's nothing unusual about the timeline, not for this kind of case. Numerous other Trump related matters have gotten to SCOTUS this fast.

And it's good. Yea or nay, this needs to be resolved ASAP.
There's nothing unusual about the timeline, not for this kind of case. Numerous other Trump related matters have gotten to SCOTUS this fast.

And it's good. Yea or nay, this needs to be resolved ASAP.
You are a sensible person, one professionally suited to comment on such matters as this. I, on the other hand, am a madman. I feel that if at the time of our countries founding the lifespan resembled what it does today, they would never have permitted a 35 year old idiot to run for the President of this country, they would have set it at 50 or 60 would be my guestimation. In the compressed lifetimes of those days I can't imagine they would have considered the pace of the modern day court as nothing other than justices delayed is justice denied. Furthermore, I believe that the average common sense of people in that era, in my opinion, magnitudes beyond what we see today, would have long ago led to Trump having been summarily executed for treason.
 

Moonbeam

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Most people that display anger in social media do it because it's anonymous. They get to give others hell without any possibility of repercussions. It's the very definition of internet tough guy. I find it more sad than annoying.
I know how it is. I agree, but the issue is that they were angry before coming on the internet. We get to see that anger on display and its purpose is to hurt. What people fail to realize, because they fear looking within, is that the will to hurt is the result of hurt that happened to them as children. If you feel anger then you know the pain of being hurt. And so when we hate others we are a part of the same game. We hurt others. Ignorance is being proud of that. To heal requires we forgive ourselves for our hate because unconsciously we hate ourselves for hating. That is what self hate is, hatred of the horrible little things the hatred of others told us we were, and we will never get even for what happened in the past. It happened and that's that. To forgive starts with that recognition. There is nothing else we can do. Time to cry for the child hidden deeply within and take its hand as best we can.
 

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I can almost guarantee that the eventual calvinball ruling will either be 6-3 or 5-4 (with Roberts siding with the legit justices).

Interesting, though, that even a conservative is now tacitly admitting that the intense political partisanship of the court means majority verdicts have no credibility. Having to resort to hoping for unanimous votes because the conservative contingent have become rather predictable, seems to indicate that the system is broken.
 

eelw

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2 justices need to recuse.

Thomas because his wife was involved in the insurrection.

Kavanaugh because Trumps lawyer publicly demanded a quid pro quo for getting him on the bench
Bwahahaha
 

eelw

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SCOTUS hearing complete. From parts I heard during both defense and government, justices didn’t show their hand. KBJ even brought up the president isn’t explicitly listed as an officer. So why should we interpret it that the founding fathers?

The orange monkey even made statement from elsewhere not in DC. It was a peaceful protest. No guns involved.
 
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APU_Fusion

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Amazing. The SCOTUS looks like they want a dictatorship under King/Messiah Trump. State rights? ha! Only when it is pro messiah. Shakes head. take note King Biden
 

Pens1566

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SCOTUS hearing complete. From parts I heard during both defense and government, justices didn’t show their hand. KBJ even brought up the president isn’t explicitly listed as an officer. So why should we interpret it that the founding fathers?

The orange monkey even made statement from elsewhere not in DC. It was a peaceful protest. No guns involved.

Eh, it's over. 8-1 or 9-0. Overturned based on states not allowed to remove anyone from ballot for federal offices.
 
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conehead433

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If you listen to Trump's response it was basically his same campaign speech that he always gives, trying to rile up his base about how immigration is ruining the country, and all the rest of the garbage that he spews out regularly. The man clearly belongs in a straight jacket.
 

SMOGZINN

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After reading the questions that the Justices asked it seems that they are leaning on ruling that the 14th Amendment is poorly worded and would cause a lot of work for them to straighten out so they are just going to ignore it and rule in favor of Trump so as to not having to hear a bunch more cases on it.
 
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The whole thing sounded like a big clusterfuck.

Things like trying to equate counties in Bush v Gore with states having different rules, despite states being sovereign and counties being creatures of states (and not sovereign), the stupidity of the officers/office argument, and the idea that Congress could act after an election to decide of someone was ineligible (huge LOL there, and like, that would be actual voter disenfranchisement that they allegedly are so worried about with regards to ballot access questions).
 

brycejones

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After reading the questions that the Justices asked it seems that they are leaning on ruling that the 14th Amendment is poorly worded and would cause a lot of work for them to straighten out so they are just going to ignore it and rule in favor of Trump so as to not having to hear a bunch more cases on it.

Yeah
 

pete6032

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People want a way to get rid of him. This ain't it. Trump is going to make it through this one unscathed.
 

ch33zw1z

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People want a way to get rid of him. This ain't it. Trump is going to make it through this one unscathed.

The 14th isn't unclear. He engaged in a coup, he led it from the top down, hundreds of people across the country assisted. IMO, this will set the stage for the next one if the SCOTUS doesn't admit what objective reality shows. He may very well get out of it unscathed, I agree, it really will just mean we're one step closer to the demise of U.S.A.
 

fskimospy

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People want a way to get rid of him. This ain't it. Trump is going to make it through this one unscathed.
This is a political question, not a legal one. It’s entirely obvious that the 14th amendment was written to disqualify people like Trump, it’s just that our institutions lack the backbone to enforce the plain meaning of the law.
 
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This is a political question, not a legal one. It’s entirely obvious that the 14th amendment was written to disqualify people like Trump, it’s just that our institutions lack the backbone to enforce the plain meaning of the law.
Don't believe your lying eyes. Words only have their plain and obvious meaning when SCOTUS wants them to have them, otherwise they mean bupkiss.
 
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They read the clear textual meaning unless that leads to a result they dislike.
Just like the the other argument some were trying to advance: he's somehow not an officer when President, despite occupying an office of the United States and taking an oath, because he isn't on this semi arbitrary list on this 150 year old paper, nevermind that such logic would mean that Jefferson Davis could have run for president then.
 

pete6032

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The 14th isn't unclear. He engaged in a coup, he led it from the top down, hundreds of people across the country assisted. IMO, this will set the stage for the next one if the SCOTUS doesn't admit what objective reality shows. He may very well get out of it unscathed, I agree, it really will just mean we're one step closer to the demise of U.S.A.
I don't disagree with you. There are 3 conditions that need to be met for him to be removed from a ballot. 1) Insurrection, 2) 14th applies to him, and 3) Supremes agree Trump did 1 and 2. If today's conversation is any indication, condition 3 is not going to be met.
 
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