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Exophase

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wtf? no on wants to do that. what a shit curriculum.

It's not six western civ classes, the actual six are listed on the left sidebar here:

https://www.college.columbia.edu/core/core

Students take around 10-12 classes a year to finish in 4 (on semester systems like Columbia) and she says these classes are what's causing her to graduate two years late, so I guess she failed them all three times or something.
 

John Connor

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In case you are confused, this isn't South America that we are talking about.


In case YOU are confused... Columbia is a big time Liberal-progressive school, just like Brown and I guess pretty much all the Ivy league schools. If I could I'd go to Liberty.
 

irishScott

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As if racism ever ended.

Sure it hasn't ended to the last racist, but it's orders of magnitude less than it used to be and I'm sick of hearing about crap like this: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34883289

There is such a thing as over-correction, something that a politically relevant number of African Americans refuse to accept. Racism has been on the decline for decades and it seems that most efforts to combat it nowadays are more about rubbing their residual pain in someone's face than solving a legitimate problem.

Such a reaction is human and inevitable, we can't expect to solve problems generated by centuries of slavery in a few decades. But that doesn't make said reactions correct, acceptable or productive. How many centuries of politically correct revenge are the distant descendants of slave-owners to tolerate? How many generations need to be satisfied to pay the debts of our ancestors? 900 years from now, will a significant section of African Americans claim that slavery was so rampant that the wounds can only be healed by millenniums of reparations?
 
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unokitty

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No problem with a young person resenting the status quo.

No problem with a young person resenting being told what classes to take.

No problem with a young person resenting a growing 'wealth gap.'

At the same time, didn't one of the political parties just promise 'Hope and Change?'

Looking at the above graph concerning the wealth gap, looks to me like we all got more of the same.

Angry? I get that...

Still, it's hard to be sympathetic with a movement whose goal is 'more of us' and more for us ...

Uno
 

cubby1223

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As if racism ever ended.

What exactly are you saying? Please be specific.

If your view is that so long as there is even a single racist thought anywhere in America, then you have the right to be a self-imposed jerk demanding other people bend to your every demand?

Sorry, but that approach worsens the problem, not resolves it. And it puts you squarely in the "problem" column, not the "solution" column.
 

Blue_Max

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I suspect it's just another "social sciences" project where you get class credit for finding something to get 'outraged' about and cause a big fuss, then get patted on the head by the prof for being a good little student.
 

tcsenter

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Yeap, and Asians somehow climbed to the top SIGNIFICANTLY ABOVE WHITE PEOPLE by oppressing all of us right? Those damn Asian people are always keeping my pay-down yo.
Chinese and Asians were never enslaved except some isolated 'tantamount-to-slavery' cases, mostly by their own. Chinese owned hundreds of successful businesses even as far as the Western frontier in the 1800s, were not only permitted to cater to whites and compete directly with white-owned businesses, but could cater to wealthy whites. They were not prohibited from reading and writing (unless they converted to Christianity), not stripped of their own cultures and religion. They could come and go, maintain ties to their homeland, knew where they were from, sent and received mail. The "orientals" were always portrayed as having a civilized and literate society, as being "productive", while anything having to do with African societies or cultures was portrayed as being sub-human, animal-like, primitive, non-productive. Literacy and education usually worked for Asians. It did NOT work for slaves or their descendants.
 

cubby1223

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Chinese and Asians were never enslaved except some isolated 'tantamount-to-slavery' cases, mostly by their own. Chinese owned hundreds of successful businesses even as far as the Western frontier in the 1800s, were not only permitted to cater to whites and compete directly with white-owned businesses, but could cater to wealthy whites. They were not prohibited from reading and writing (unless they converted to Christianity), not stripped of their own cultures and religion. They could come and go, maintain ties to their homeland, knew where they were from, sent and received mail. The "orientals" were always portrayed as having a civilized and literate society, as being "productive", while anything having to do with African societies or cultures was portrayed as being sub-human, animal-like, primitive, non-productive. Literacy and education usually worked for Asians. It did NOT work for slaves or their descendants.

You know how many ties I as a white person have ever had to my ancestry, homeland, & culture in Europe? None. Zero. Nada. That's an argument that could be made 100 years ago. Today, not so much.

Especially with these college-aged students born within the last 20-some years, there is no excuse not to be successful. Any minority with the drive for hard work, is showered with praise and support and scholarships, as well as a foot already in the door of the workforce by virtue of diversity statistics. No excuses.

"Traumatized having to read white people words" is an excuse to skip past the work side of life and slide right into success. Doesn't work like that in college. Doesn't work like that in the real world. No excuses. We are all Americans. European history is a major component of American history. The administrators at these colleges need to grow a spine.
 
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tcsenter

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You know how many ties I as a white person have ever had to my ancestry, homeland, & culture in Europe? None. Zero. Nada. That's an argument that could be made 100 years ago. Today, not so much.
Group dynamics are not individual issues. Your recent ancestors had those ties, and probably elected to let them wither, at some point, not forcibly prevented or denied, kept intentionally illiterate, dependent, and unable to function in society. And I'm betting your ancestors came here of their own volition, like 95% of the Chinese.
 

John Connor

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If *I* could go to any school, it would be MIT; They're just better. I wouldn't go to Liberty if you paid me. I do appreciate the ironic naming though :^D


MIT wouldn't be bad. But I was taking those free online courses and with the Intro. in Computer Science the professor just had to share a John Stewart clip about Ted Stevens I think it was and how he said the Internet was like a series of pipes.

A) Fuck John Stewart

and

B) Who fucking cares what an old man thinks about the Internet.

In a way, it is like pipes when you think about it. And all the valves could be like ports.

It's that little crap that irks me.

I wonder what the backlash would be if I were the professor and played a clip from FoxNews? LOL!
 

positivedoppler

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Chinese and Asians were never enslaved except some isolated 'tantamount-to-slavery' cases, mostly by their own. Chinese owned hundreds of successful businesses even as far as the Western frontier in the 1800s, were not only permitted to cater to whites and compete directly with white-owned businesses, but could cater to wealthy whites. They were not prohibited from reading and writing (unless they converted to Christianity), not stripped of their own cultures and religion. They could come and go, maintain ties to their homeland, knew where they were from, sent and received mail. The "orientals" were always portrayed as having a civilized and literate society, as being "productive", while anything having to do with African societies or cultures was portrayed as being sub-human, animal-like, primitive, non-productive. Literacy and education usually worked for Asians. It did NOT work for slaves or their descendants.

You missed the mark very badly on this one. Chinese and Asians have a culture of self improvement while trying to not blame their problem on outside influences. I know because that's how my family preached to me and that's how many of my Asian high school friends were taught. Though some of the newer and younger Asians are starting to play the victim card and demanding politically correctness, honestly it makes me sick. They forgot what made them successful.

I also read that the highest rate of success in this country are not Asians, but blacks who migrated over from Africa. I knew a few from work. Africans and a few other foreigners, somehow their work ethics just stick out. They have hunger. They don't care for this PC crap. They just bury their head in work and just DO.
 

positivedoppler

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Group dynamics are not individual issues. Your recent ancestors had those ties, and probably elected to let them wither, at some point, not forcibly prevented or denied, kept intentionally illiterate, dependent, and unable to function in society. And I'm betting your ancestors came here of their own volition, like 95% of the Chinese.

Yet piss poor Asians (myself included) were able to come to this country and succeed in the very first generation. I've been called a beloved patriot. I've been called Bruce Lee, Jackie Chen. etc etc.... In California's UC system, it's actually more difficult to get into college if you are an Asian. We don't get the special black privilege when applying to Universities. Somehow none of this stops first generation Asians and countless other first generation Africans and Latinos from Succeeding. Keep blaming all your problems on the past. If you can't live past it, I feel sorry for you. You're letting the world control you and not letting yourself control your own destiny. Us first generation minorities, when we come to this country, we see opportunities. When we get wronged, we don't care we'll just keep going. You know why? Because the place we came from sucks and the opportunities in this country is amazing and we APPRECIATE the opportunities. People in this country...just blame all their problems on everyone else...

I get it. What was done to blacks in this country was horrible. But blacks are the ones who choose to fester in the pool self pity while waiting for the Whites to come around to apologize and fix all their problems. This is INSANE. It will not happen. There are opportunities to make a better life for yourself regardless of what neighborhood you grew up in, regardless of how much racism you experience. Anyone who has every lived in Southern New Jersey can probably relate. But there are a TON of successful Latinos particularly Puerto Ricans and Dominicans who grew up guess where? Camden!
 
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madoka

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Chinese and Asians were never enslaved except some isolated 'tantamount-to-slavery' cases, mostly by their own. Chinese owned hundreds of successful businesses even as far as the Western frontier in the 1800s, were not only permitted to cater to whites and compete directly with white-owned businesses, but could cater to wealthy whites. They were not prohibited from reading and writing (unless they converted to Christianity), not stripped of their own cultures and religion. They could come and go, maintain ties to their homeland, knew where they were from, sent and received mail. The "orientals" were always portrayed as having a civilized and literate society, as being "productive", while anything having to do with African societies or cultures was portrayed as being sub-human, animal-like, primitive, non-productive. Literacy and education usually worked for Asians. It did NOT work for slaves or their descendants.

What history did you learn?

the Naturalization Act of 1870, which extended citizenship rights to African Americans but barred Chinese from naturalization on the grounds that they and other Asians could not be assimilated into American society.

Unable to become citizens, Chinese immigrants were prohibited from voting and serving on juries, and dozens of states passed alien land laws that prohibited non-citizens from purchasing real estate, thus preventing them from establishing permanent homes and businesses.

The idea of an "unassimilable" race became a common argument in the exclusionary movement against Chinese Americans. In particular, even in his lone dissent against Plessy v. Ferguson (1896), then-Supreme Court Justice John Marshall Harlan wrote of the Chinese as: "a race so different from our own that we do not permit those belonging to it to become citizens of the United States. Persons belonging to it are, with few exceptions, absolutely excluded from our country. I allude to the Chinese race."
 
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Chinese and Asians were never enslaved except some isolated 'tantamount-to-slavery' cases, mostly by their own. Chinese owned hundreds of successful businesses even as far as the Western frontier in the 1800s, were not only permitted to cater to whites and compete directly with white-owned businesses, but could cater to wealthy whites. They were not prohibited from reading and writing (unless they converted to Christianity), not stripped of their own cultures and religion. They could come and go, maintain ties to their homeland, knew where they were from, sent and received mail. The "orientals" were always portrayed as having a civilized and literate society, as being "productive", while anything having to do with African societies or cultures was portrayed as being sub-human, animal-like, primitive, non-productive. Literacy and education usually worked for Asians. It did NOT work for slaves or their descendants.

Ohhh, I see - So because of past events circulating from over 100 years ago, black people have had the inability to learn, and hence, are unable to apply their minds appropriately to society. Great job Watson!

So how many more years of being integrated into society before they make the turn around? 10 years? 50 years? 1000 years? Please, do tell

Nevermind the fact that education - overall - does not tell you to obey laws. It is helpful, no doubt - but why don't you ask Harvard drop out's like Mark Zuckerberg how education has overall influenced their decisions? Point being, you don't need an education to learn to not be a leech on society. It will never get you far in life, and you don't need a study on that to confirm it. In yet, you can go into just about any trade skill with or without so much as a high school education.

(PS. If you can't tell by now, you're an incredibly ignorant fool whom is being mocked by the rest of the forum)
 
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Svnla

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Chinese and Asians were never enslaved except some isolated 'tantamount-to-slavery' cases, mostly by their own. Chinese owned hundreds of successful businesses even as far as the Western frontier in the 1800s, were not only permitted to cater to whites and compete directly with white-owned businesses, but could cater to wealthy whites. They were not prohibited from reading and writing (unless they converted to Christianity), not stripped of their own cultures and religion. They could come and go, maintain ties to their homeland, knew where they were from, sent and received mail. The "orientals" were always portrayed as having a civilized and literate society, as being "productive", while anything having to do with African societies or cultures was portrayed as being sub-human, animal-like, primitive, non-productive. Literacy and education usually worked for Asians. It did NOT work for slaves or their descendants.

Other posters already posted numerous links about how Asians/chinese were being mistreat for years, I do not need to repeat them. Oh, remember how American citizens with Japanese background were sent to concentration camps for years while people with Germany and Italy background were not during WWII?

So black rappers make million and millon of dollars from rap music and no $ from whites and other races at all? Talk about ignorant. How about basketball players in which the NBA is over 70% black? How about the NFL? Sub human you said?

More excuses and excuses for bad behavior. Quick question, which group will label students that do well in school as "acting white", "sold out", "uncle tom", "not keep it real", "house n*****"? and which group will celebrate doing well in school as an honor?

Take a wild guess which group is kicking ass in school and college even WITHOUT the stupid "affirmative action" set aside program? Darn evil racist whitey, right?
 
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x26

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Yet piss poor Asians (myself included) were able to come to this country and succeed in the very first generation. I've been called a beloved patriot. I've been called Bruce Lee, Jackie Chen. etc etc.... In California's UC system, it's actually more difficult to get into college if you are an Asian. We don't get the special black privilege when applying to Universities. Somehow none of this stops first generation Asians and countless other first generation Africans and Latinos from Succeeding. Keep blaming all your problems on the past. If you can't live past it, I feel sorry for you. You're letting the world control you and not letting yourself control your own destiny. Us first generation minorities, when we come to this country, we see opportunities. When we get wronged, we don't care we'll just keep going. You know why? Because the place we came from sucks and the opportunities in this country is amazing and we APPRECIATE the opportunities. People in this country...just blame all their problems on everyone else...

I get it. What was done to blacks in this country was horrible. But blacks are the ones who choose to fester in the pool self pity while waiting for the Whites to come around to apologize and fix all their problems. This is INSANE. It will not happen. There are opportunities to make a better life for yourself regardless of what neighborhood you grew up in, regardless of how much racism you experience. Anyone who has every lived in Southern New Jersey can probably relate. But there are a TON of successful Latinos particularly Puerto Ricans and Dominicans who grew up guess where? Camden!

There was a Man born to poor Chinese Parents in New Orleans around 1925.
They owned a Small Chinese laundry in a Poor neighborhood.
They sent young Harry Lee to College at LSU than Law school at LSU.
He ran for Sherriff of Jefferson Parish Louisiana(the wealthy Suburb of NOLA).
He was re-elected for probably the next 30 something years until he died in office.
He was a Cool guy and a great Sherriff that did not get pushed around by Criminals.
The People absolutely adored him.
Most People love Asians.--for their hard work, honesty and dedication.
 

1prophet

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Chinese and Asians were never enslaved except some isolated 'tantamount-to-slavery' cases, mostly by their own. Chinese owned hundreds of successful businesses even as far as the Western frontier in the 1800s, were not only permitted to cater to whites and compete directly with white-owned businesses, but could cater to wealthy whites. They were not prohibited from reading and writing (unless they converted to Christianity), not stripped of their own cultures and religion. They could come and go, maintain ties to their homeland, knew where they were from, sent and received mail. The "orientals" were always portrayed as having a civilized and literate society, as being "productive", while anything having to do with African societies or cultures was portrayed as being sub-human, animal-like, primitive, non-productive. Literacy and education usually worked for Asians. It did NOT work for slaves or their descendants.
Yeah let's keep pushing that revisionist history BS of how the Chinese had it so good here or back in their home country because only blacks were oppressed.

Black people could own land and vote long before the Chinese could.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Chinese_sentiment_in_the_United_States

In the 1870s and 1880s various legal discriminatory measures were taken against the Chinese. These laws, in particular the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882, were aimed at restricting further immigration from China,[10] although the laws were later repealed by the Chinese Exclusion Repeal Act of 1943.



Another key piece of legislation was the Naturalization Act of 1870, which extended citizenship rights to African Americans but barred Chinese from naturalization on the grounds that they and other Asians could not be assimilated into American society. Unable to become citizens, Chinese immigrants were prohibited from voting and serving on juries, and dozens of states passed alien land laws that prohibited non-citizens from purchasing real estate, thus preventing them from establishing permanent homes and businesses. The idea of an "unassimilable" race became a common argument in the exclusionary movement against Chinese Americans.


In particular, even in his lone dissent against Plessy v. Ferguson (1896), then-Supreme Court Justice John Marshall Harlan wrote of the Chinese as: "a race so different from our own that we do not permit those belonging to it to become citizens of the United States. Persons belonging to it are, with few exceptions, absolutely excluded from our country. I allude to the Chinese race."[11]


In the USA xenophobic fears against the alleged "Yellow Peril" led to the implementation of the Page Act of 1875, the 1882 Chinese Exclusion Act, expanded ten years later by the Geary Act. The Immigration Act of 1917 then created an "Asian Barred Zone" under nativist influence.


The Chinese Exclusion Act was one of the most significant restrictions on free immigration in U.S. history. The Act excluded Chinese "skilled and unskilled laborers and Chinese employed in mining" from entering the country for ten years under penalty of imprisonment and deportation. Many Chinese were relentlessly beaten just because of their race.[12][13] The few Chinese non-laborers who wished to immigrate had to obtain certification from the Chinese government that they were qualified to immigrate, which tended to be difficult to prove.[13]


The 1921 Emergency Quota Act, and then the Immigration Act of 1924, restricted immigration according to national origins. While the Emergency Quota Act used the census of 1910, xenophobic fears in the WASP community lead to the adoption of the 1890 census, more favorable to White Anglo-Saxon Protestant (WASP) population, for the uses of the Immigration Act of 1924, which responded to rising immigration from Southern and Eastern Europe, as well as Asia.


One of the goal of this National Origins Formula, established in 1929, was explicitly to keep the status quo distribution of ethnicity, by allocating quotas in proportion to the actual population. The idea was that immigration would not be allowed to change the "national character". Total annual immigration was capped at 150,000. Asians were excluded but residents of nations in the Americas were not restricted, thus making official the racial discrimination in immigration laws. This system was repealed with the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965.
http://afe.easia.columbia.edu/special/china_1750_opium.htm
The Opium War and Foreign Encroachment Two things happened in the eighteenth century that made it difficult for England to balance its trade with the East. First, the British became a nation of tea drinkers and the demand for Chinese tea rose astronomically. It is estimated that the average London worker spent five percent of his or her total household budget on tea. Second, northern Chinese merchants began to ship Chinese cotton from the interior to the south to compete with the Indian cotton that Britain had used to help pay for its tea consumption habits. To prevent a trade imbalance, the British tried to sell more of their own products to China, but there was not much demand for heavy woolen fabrics in a country accustomed to either cotton padding or silk.


The only solution was to increase the amount of Indian goods to pay for these Chinese luxuries, and increasingly in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries the item provided to China was Bengal opium. With greater opium supplies had naturally come an increase in demand and usage throughout the country, in spite of repeated prohibitions by the Chinese government and officials. The British did all they could to increase the trade: They bribed officials, helped the Chinese work out elaborate smuggling schemes to get the opium into China's interior, and distributed free samples of the drug to innocent victims.


The cost to China was enormous. The drug weakened a large percentage of the population (some estimate that 10 percent of the population regularly used opium by the late nineteenth century), and silver began to flow out of the country to pay for the opium. Many of the economic problems China faced later were either directly or indirectly traced to the opium trade. The government debated about whether to legalize the drug through a government monopoly like that on salt, hoping to barter Chinese goods in return for opium. But since the Chinese were fully aware of the harms of addiction, in 1838 the emperor decided to send one of his most able officials, Lin Tse-hsu (Lin Zexu, 1785-1850), to Canton (Guangzhou) to do whatever necessary to end the traffic forever.



Lin was able to put his first two proposals into effect easily. Addicts were rounded up, forcibly treated, and taken off the habit, and domestic drug dealers were harshly punished. His third objective — to confiscate foreign stores and force foreign merchants to sign pledges of good conduct, agreeing never to trade in opium and to be punished by Chinese law if ever found in violation — eventually brought war. Opinion in England was divided: Some British did indeed feel morally uneasy about the trade, but they were overruled by those who wanted to increase England's China trade and teach the arrogant Chinese a good lesson.


Western military weapons, including percussion lock muskets, heavy artillery, and paddlewheel gunboats, were far superior to China's. Britain's troops had recently been toughened in the Napoleonic wars, and Britain could muster garrisons, warships, and provisions from its nearby colonies in Southeast Asia and India. The result was a disaster for the Chinese. By the summer of 1842 British ships were victorious and were even preparing to shell the old capital, Nanking (Nanjing), in central China. The emperor therefore had no choice but to accept the British demands and sign a peace agreement. This agreement, the first of the "unequal treaties," opened China to the West and marked the beginning of Western exploitation of the nation.



Other humiliating defeats followed in what one historian has called China's "treaty century" (major aspects of the so-called "unequal treaties" were not formally voided until 1943). In 1843, France and the United States, and Russia in 1858, negotiated treaties similar to England's Nanking (Nanjing) Treaty, including a provision for extraterritoriality, whereby foreign nationals in China were immune from Chinese law.


To compel a reluctant China to shift from its traditional tribute based foreign relations to treaty relations, Europeans fought a second war with China from 1858-1860, and the concluding Treaty of Tientsin (Tianjin) and Convention of Peking (Beijing) increased China's semi-colonial status. More ports were open to foreign residence and trade, and foreigners, especially missionaries, were allowed free movement and business anywhere in the country.



Conflicts for the rest of the century wrung more humiliating concessions from China: with Russia over claims in China's far west and northeast in 1850 and 1860, with England over access to the upper reaches of the Yangtze River in 1876, with France over northern Vietnam in 1884, with Japan over its claims to Korea and northeast China in 1895, and with many foreign powers after 1897 which demanded "spheres of influence," especially for constructing railroads and mines.


In 1900, an international army suppressed the anti-foreign Boxer Rebellion in northern China, destroying much of Beijing in the process. Each of these defeats brought more foreign demands, greater indemnities that China had to repay, more foreign presence along the coast, and more foreign participation in China's political and economic life. Little wonder that many in China were worried by the century's end that China was being sliced up "like a melon."
 

Harabec

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Yet piss poor Asians (myself included) were able to come to this country and succeed in the very first generation. I've been called a beloved patriot. I've been called Bruce Lee, Jackie Chen. etc etc.... In California's UC system, it's actually more difficult to get into college if you are an Asian. We don't get the special black privilege when applying to Universities. Somehow none of this stops first generation Asians and countless other first generation Africans and Latinos from Succeeding. Keep blaming all your problems on the past. If you can't live past it, I feel sorry for you. You're letting the world control you and not letting yourself control your own destiny. Us first generation minorities, when we come to this country, we see opportunities. When we get wronged, we don't care we'll just keep going. You know why? Because the place we came from sucks and the opportunities in this country is amazing and we APPRECIATE the opportunities. People in this country...just blame all their problems on everyone else...

Voice of reason. :thumbsup:
 
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