Comcast 1TB data cap stinks

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CuriousMike

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I don't think we "download stuff just to download stuff." ( Speaking to the quality term)

It's not inconceivable the boys leave a Twitch stream running while they go outside / out to lunch for an hour.

We're not just downloading heaps of stuff to do it - but I could see cases where we leave the front door open with the air conditioner on. We can trim that kind of stuff.

Anubis, CuriousMike, volume means nothing without know 'what' it is you are doing. That's what impresses me more. Not the quantity but the quality.
 
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It is a money grab. One of the Comcast VPs even said that it wasn't an issue with network congestion.

Yep. With the Republicans openly calling for the FCC to get dismantled, and at minimum they're just going to be sock puppets enabling the mega ISPs/Telcos to get away with more, expect them to get even more brazen about it too.

I bet someone's torrenting.

Bullshit. Have you seen the sizes of games these days? 5 years ago AT&T said I was using ~300GB of bandwidth on a 6Mbps service (and that was just with 2 people streaming Netflix and Hulu accounting for 95% of the bandwidth, 3-4 people doing 1080p+ streaming now could easily chew up a 1TB cap, and that doesn't take into account stuff like games).


Yep. Expect bandwidth caps to become even more prevalent and screw people even worse. Unless of course the companies pony up to pay more and more to the ISPs to get zero rated, but expect that to become a bigger problem too, seeing as how the large ones are buying up content providers and creators.

I assume since you're streaming so much that you don't get/pay for cable TV through Comcast? The cap was placed there because they still want that $TV subscription revenue$ and since you're streaming so much now you are destined to hit the cap monthly so they can get paid for your missing TV subscription.

It's strategic no doubt, and placed there just for the non-tv subscribers. I'm surprised it's 1TB and not much lower to guarantee them the monthly overage charge.

And wow that's a lot of downloading!!!!

That's exactly what they want. But since they're all trying to come up with competing streaming options (for instance, AT&T has said to their shareholders they plan on turning DirecTV into a streaming service and I think are even going to phase it out of being satellite service at all), they're going to go big on zero rating to make up that lost revenue.
 

KMFJD

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We have the lowest-tier cable tv with them - but we don't even have the cable box plugged in. It's just cheaper to get internet with the package.

An example of quantity would be: The three of us boys all have our own steam accounts, but I share mine with them. Games that we all might want to play, I'll buy on my account and share it with them. I bought the new Call of Duty Infinite in November. All three of us downloaded it to our accounts; that game was .. I don't know. 60-70GB per machine, so we just blew ~ 200GB on a single game.

Sharing windows folders and copying particular \steamapps might be a solution.

But honestly, being corn-holed into the extra $50/month is where we are headed.

smh at bolded part....especially when you know better by sharing the steamapps folder,caps do suck though
 

Red Squirrel

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So glad my ISP has no caps.

Data caps on home internet should be considered a violation of human rights. I would rather have a slower connection than have one that is capped.

PFsense totally butchered the RRD graph feature so I have no idea how much I use but I've hit several TB in weeks before myself. Typically during server migrations or what not, where I need to move massive amounts of data, or run a backup job for the first time, etc.

Now I have an ADS-B receiver and streaming data to several flight tracking sites, so who knows how much THAT is using.
 

jpiniero

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That's exactly what they want. But since they're all trying to come up with competing streaming options (for instance, AT&T has said to their shareholders they plan on turning DirecTV into a streaming service and I think are even going to phase it out of being satellite service at all), they're going to go big on zero rating to make up that lost revenue.

DirectTV Now is definitely the future of what you would think of cable. I wouldn't be surprised if you see Big Cable jump in and offer similar products soon enough.

The question I guess is who is going to be the sucker who provides the infrastructure to access said content. Because that doesn't make money.
 

ultimatebob

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To be honest, 1 TB of monthly bandwidth isn't that bad. I've seen cheap web server hosting packages with lower "free" bandwidth caps than that!

I'd be cool with a data cap like that IF you can get an extra TB of data for around $5 a month. You know that the big ISP's aren't paying anywhere near that for their bandwidth, so they are still making a healthy profit margin with rates like that.
 

Linflas

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Well so far whenever the discussion of Comcast and their caps comes up people always say that. Meanwhile Comcast has raised their cap from the original ridiculous 300gb cap to 1tb and there has been no talk I am aware of regarding a cap on FIOS at all. Not saying it couldn't happen but so far there hasn't been even a hint of one.
 

QueBert

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Doesn't have to be. A 2 hr movie @1080p on netflix is about 6GB of usage. Assuming 4 streams a night (I assume he and SO watch together, kiddos watch alone) that's 720GB a month in 1080p netflix streams. A lot of assumptions there, but 1TB does not go far.

But yes torrenting could eat up a shitload too.

In your example that's 120 movies a month, and 240 hours of watching. Dunno, seems like that's stretching pretty far, and in your example you could fit another 40 movies in and still be under the cap.
 

bigboxes

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Just ditched Time Warner Cable/Spectrum TV. They raised my rate for internet only, but I got tired of their bullshit paying too much for TV. So, now I pay almost $60 for 100M internet uncapped. There's no lower level any more. I'm actually getting 118M down and 6M up (which sucks). I bought Amazon Fire TV devices for each of our three TVs and stream Sony Vue. I save about $50 a month doing so. Use OTA for anything that is not on Vue. I torrent a lot so I can watch anything that is not in my package.
 

rumpleforeskin

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Don't like it? Go with a competitor for internet instead.



Oh wait.
You have obviously said this in jest, but would someone care to educate a non american why this is funny?
Are Comcast the only ISP available or the only ones offering a reliable/fast service?
 

Puppies04

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You have obviously said this in jest, but would someone care to educate a non american why this is funny?
Are Comcast the only ISP available or the only ones offering a reliable/fast service?

American ISPs decided that competing with each other was dumb so in a lot of places the big boys just stay out of each others way and reap the rewards of having no real direct competitor
 

DaTT

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I have always felt data caps are a scam. Go back 10 or so years, data caps didn't exist and everything was fine.
 

Red Squirrel

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The worst part is ISPs keep boasting about how much faster they are than the competitors, but if they cap it, that speed is 100% moot because you can't actually really take advantage of it. Cell network speeds are probably the most comical. I forget what the speeds for LTE are but it's quite high up there. But then it's capped at like under a GB or a bit over a GB if you have a more expensive (over $100/mo) plan. It's like having a porsche but you can only use it in your driveway.
 
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On one hand, yeah, caps suck. On the other hand, you're using more of a product, and being charged more for it.

Try reading a book or going outside instead of streaming netflix 8 hours a day.
 

Red Squirrel

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This is partially the fault of upstream providers too as they charge per usage (95th percentile is typical I believe). Bandwidth should not be charged based on how much is used, there is no real cost associated to how much of it is used unlike with energy like gas or hydro, there is only an ongoing cost of keeping the equipment at both ends running. Suppose a 100gb fibre card in a transport shelf takes more power than a 10gb card so the cost of a higher bandwidth link is a bit higher, but the cost to the ISP/customer should be fixed based on the size of the pipe and not on the usage. In general bandwidth should also be much cheaper. The provider is getting an ongoing payment for equipment that was paid off years ago.
 

Hugo Drax

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I think in the future the internet will be charged like electricity. Instead of selling you speed tiers, you pay for every byte you use. every home will have fiber to a device that looks like a power meter and you would pay a monthly service fee and then an amount for each byte that passes that meter.
 

Red Squirrel

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I think in the future the internet will be charged like electricity. Instead of selling you speed tiers, you pay for every byte you use. every home will have fiber to a device that looks like a power meter and you would pay a monthly service fee and then an amount for each byte that passes that meter.

That's a scary thought, but I could see it happen.

It makes sense for electricity and gas, because you are paying for a consumable in the end. With electricity the more everyone uses the harder the power plant has to work (though electricity is way too expensive per unit, it should be cheaper than gas) and in some cases have to burn fuel, but with internet whether you use more or less is not really costing any more work. Bandwidth cost is an artificial cost all the way to the top. Pretty much all costs associated with bandwidth are artificial, someone decides that "this much costs that much". There is an ongoing cost to maintaining infrastructure but it is not based on how much people use it it's just based on general stuff like power, paying employees etc. Suppose equipment works a little harder but that difference is probably super negligible.
 
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DirectTV Now is definitely the future of what you would think of cable. I wouldn't be surprised if you see Big Cable jump in and offer similar products soon enough.

The question I guess is who is going to be the sucker who provides the infrastructure to access said content. Because that doesn't make money.

They already do I believe? Well they're still half-assed and have tons of issues but I think most of them have been doing something similar (a lot of them started it when they were doing their fiber rollouts since they basically had to come up with a new way of transmitting that as it won't be going on coax). Granted DirecTV Now is the most ambitious. Not sure what is going to happen to rural users if AT&T decides to ditch satellite service. They better hope there's long range wireless (and that costs and bandwidth caps there don't end up being like those for satellite internet services).

It will be us, just as it has always been.

American ISPs decided that competing with each other was dumb so in a lot of places the big boys just stay out of each others way and reap the rewards of having no real direct competitor

This.

On one hand, yeah, caps suck. On the other hand, you're using more of a product, and being charged more for it.

Try reading a book or going outside instead of streaming netflix 8 hours a day.

A product often touted as "unlimited" and specifically touted for being able to use it in such manners. Hell look at the way they advertise their wireless services, and those have bandwidth caps that would be hit very quickly.

Yeah and stop having families cause that just increases your data usage. Your "get a life" comment is bullshit specifically because it should not matter, and this "yeah well you're part of the 3% that abuses bandwidth" that gets alleged whenever someone goes over the cap, and yet somehow tons of people are managing to be "abusing" their "unlimited" internet connections. Its totally the consumers fault for abusing these poor mega corporations (who outright admit there's no technical reason for the bandwidth caps as it is in no way actually causing problems for them).

And hey, if you are not using much data/bandwidth, then you should be even more pissed as you're getting screwed the most of anyone. Think metered/caps is fine, ok, then let's be realistic about that, but then we'd see that even the abusers aren't costing anywhere close to what they're being charged, and people that don't use it much are being charged probably thousands of percent of what even the economically viable cost of their data usage is. 1TB at $0.05/GB (which is likely around ten times more than what it actually costs, so plenty of margin there) is $50.

Plus, are you really going to trust these companies to not straight up fucking lie?
https://consumerist.com/2016/09/06/...data-they-didnt-use-insists-meter-is-perfect/

This is partially the fault of upstream providers too as they charge per usage (95th percentile is typical I believe). Bandwidth should not be charged based on how much is used, there is no real cost associated to how much of it is used unlike with energy like gas or hydro, there is only an ongoing cost of keeping the equipment at both ends running. Suppose a 100gb fibre card in a transport shelf takes more power than a 10gb card so the cost of a higher bandwidth link is a bit higher, but the cost to the ISP/customer should be fixed based on the size of the pipe and not on the usage. In general bandwidth should also be much cheaper. The provider is getting an ongoing payment for equipment that was paid off years ago.

No, it absolutely is not their fault because they already have deals with regards to that. But the mega-ISPs want to bill everyone involved (the content providers like Netflix, the companies providing the connections, and then their customers), despite them having worked out deals that absolutely are fine financially (none of these ISPs are or were losing any money with their deals with the upstream providers). Its just that these huge ISPs got mad because they want more money and because they're just shitty middlemen they weren't able to completely hold all parties hostage. They certainly tried but that blew up in their face (when the FCC reclassified them) because they think people are fucking idiots. They assumed people would get mad at Netflix for the streaming problems and so would be more willing to pony up for their pay TV services; essentially they thought people would be dumb enough to blame their car manufacturer for the traffic on their commute home, and not the assholes shutting down lanes to fuck up traffic so they can then install toll booths despite the roads already having been paid for.

I think in the future the internet will be charged like electricity. Instead of selling you speed tiers, you pay for every byte you use. every home will have fiber to a device that looks like a power meter and you would pay a monthly service fee and then an amount for each byte that passes that meter.

It probably will be and that will be a very scary prospect because they likely will not be subject to the same regulation that electric providers are, and they've shown a willingness to not be even remotely accurate with their metering. Then again, maybe they will have to follow the same regulation, but more because they'll deregulate those others so that they too can get in on this screw job.
 

Shlong

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Does Comcast have different bandwidth limits depending on the city you live? I have a 2TB data cap in Atlanta:

 

Fenixgoon

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data caps are bullshit. they are simply easy gravy for ISPs to get, as long as people are willing to put up with them. we shouldn't even have them on phones, but because phones were generally introduced that way, people have accepted it.
 

Carson Dyle

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It's a revenue play, without question. That said, I used to regularly use 2.5 TB to 4 TB a month. Since the caps went into effect, I haven't had much problem staying under. I just don't download six copies of a 16 GB movie to decide which one I like best. Or no longer download the entire first five seasons of some TV show in 1080p BluRay before ever watching a single episode.

If you really need the data, pay the extra fifty bucks.
 
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